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Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« on: November 04, 2010, 06:27:06 PM »
This is a placemark for IIT Prescott; he makes and sells a neat little snap cap (.22 lr) that works slick for ball and dummy and dryfire. Grab a package of these and never hear "I can't dryfire my rifle" again.

Prescott will be here soon to better describe his product.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #1 on: November 04, 2010, 07:30:20 PM »
Introducing the MMG .22 caliber snap cap

The first and only fully functional snap cap for a rim-fire rifle.   The MMG snap cap is injection molded from an advanced thermoplastic resin that allows the snap cap to withstand repeated firings.   The elastomeric material allow the snap cap to absorb the energy of the firing pin like real .22 caliber ammunition.  This snap cap has been tested in most sport and competition .22 rifles.

The MMG snap cap is molded in safety orange color and is ideal for magazine loading and dry-fire exercises.

Order some today and protect your rifle from potential dry-fire damage.

PRICING
12 pieces - $10.00
25 pieces - $18.00
50 pieces - $34.00
100 pieces - $65.00

Please include an addition $5.00 per order for shipping and handling.

I have also attached an order form.

Send check or money order to:
MMG, LLC
2470 Julie Lane
Payette, ID 83661

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #2 on: November 04, 2010, 09:31:16 PM »
silly question, do they reliably feed from the magazine, in a real ball and dummy drill??
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #3 on: November 04, 2010, 09:43:06 PM »
Now that ain't a silly question G......These babies have been tested for feed and function in every one of Wheelers .22s and a whole lot more....

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #4 on: November 04, 2010, 09:51:38 PM »
This is a great idea. I'm so sick of those aluminum "action proving" rounds whose rims get all bent out of shape after a few firing pin strikes.

Does the cost include shipping? About how many strikes can one of these bad boys take?
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #5 on: November 04, 2010, 10:35:19 PM »
I'd be willing to go in with you on a few bags, CJ - it would smooth out the ball-and-dummy drills on our ever-growing Nutmeg State lines! The centerfire guys might feel cheated, though. :'(
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2010, 11:42:57 PM »
In a standard 10/22 rifle, these snap caps will last indefinitely.   The firing pin spring in the Ruger is not strong enough to dent this material.

My primary business is selling thermoplastic resin, and I tested 6 different grades to find one that would work perfect.   I tested the samples in every .22 rifle I could find, and one of my friends has an old pump action Savage with a wickedly strong firing pin.   His Savage was able to rip through all of the other materials tested, but just leaves a dent in this material.  I have used these snap caps at 3 appleseeds and have not had one failure.

As these snap caps are made from a semi rigid elastomeric thermoplastic resin, they are stiff enough to load and feed through most magazines.  I have had only one issue in a well worn Remington clip, in which the snap cap would push up too high out of the magazine and the nose would raise up and this would cause it to jam on loading.   The shooter changed to his second newer magazine and had no further issues.

I have attached the photo of the dent marks made by that pump action Savage.   I shot one cap at least 40 times with that Savage, and even though it was well dented, the snap cap did not crack, chip or tear through.

I had neglected to include shipping and handling in the original post and have updated to include that cost.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #7 on: November 05, 2010, 01:42:56 AM »
I didn't realize that you had made the ones we were using at the Castle Rock shoot. I still have one and still see no wear and from what I experienced,they ran flawlessly. I will be ordering some.


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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #8 on: November 05, 2010, 02:12:35 PM »
silly question, do they reliably feed from the magazine, in a real ball and dummy drill??

They work great, seen them used @ Castle Rock ,I have yet to see any problems ,,,I like em very much.


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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #9 on: November 05, 2010, 06:50:05 PM »
I am willing to send samples to any instructor that wants to test them out.   Send me a PM with your address and I will throw them in the mail.
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #10 on: December 03, 2010, 09:36:31 PM »
I think this is a great idea! Not so much for the snap-cap benefit, but for training purposes! The military used to make these available to us for instructional purposes, because they WORK! Loading a magazine with ball and dummy is vastly superior for detecting/correcting flinching/bucking/jerking, etc. over  single loading, which seems to be the common method, at least in this geo area.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2011, 01:32:00 AM »
Thanks to all who have order the Snapcap for this upcoming season.  Please provide some feedback on how they are working for you.
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #12 on: November 29, 2011, 09:58:02 AM »
Thanks to all who have order the Snapcap for this upcoming season.  Please provide some feedback on how they are working for you.

Prescott - the snap caps are all you described and more.  Since accepting the Orange Hat, I've given them good use in ball and dummy drills and given quite a few of my first order of 25 away.  I'm sending a new order for 100 this week.  Great work, thanks.
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #13 on: March 02, 2012, 06:42:38 PM »
are you still selling these sir?  I'm interested in 25.  pm coming your way
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2012, 12:23:20 AM »
Yes, I am still making the Snap Caps.  I recently had a new batch produced and they are ready to ship.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2012, 12:30:07 AM »
I don't know of a 22 RF design in production today that will be damaged by dry firing. :)

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2012, 06:18:57 AM »
I don't know of a 22 RF design in production today that will be damaged by dry firing. :)

While I would feel pretty confident with many 22s made today, not all will tolerate dry fire without damage.
My CMMG 22 upper for example specifically requires the firing pin be removed for dry fire practice. After talking to the factory service department I was informed that while this is not a defect, it is inherent in the design of the pin itself. Though I had not yet broken any, he was very kind and sent me a spare, just in case.
It is a good idea to advise any shooter with one of these to not dry fire on the line w/o a snap cap.

I also have a Marlin 795, and while they generally hold up pretty well, they will work harden and can break over time. ymmv

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2012, 08:53:45 AM »
With a Remington 597 it is possible to peen the edge of the chamber while dry firing.  Not likely perhaps but possible.  And yeah, I think I will order some of those snap caps.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #18 on: March 04, 2012, 05:10:56 AM »
While I would feel pretty confident with many 22s made today, not all will tolerate dry fire without damage.
My CMMG 22 upper for example specifically requires the firing pin be removed for dry fire practice.

I stand corrected.

Why does Appleseed teach students to dry fire, and that doing so will not damage their rifle?
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #19 on: August 17, 2014, 11:58:08 AM »
Are these still available?
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #20 on: August 17, 2014, 07:23:03 PM »
Yes,  I still manufacture them.
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #21 on: September 30, 2014, 06:41:47 AM »
Do you take Paypal?

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #22 on: September 30, 2014, 03:23:41 PM »
No, I am not set up to take Paypal. Sorry
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #23 on: July 09, 2015, 12:18:11 AM »
Prescott, Howdy;

New year, new to Appleseed, Are you still offering these 'Snap-caps' for sale?
Any new particulars? Whats the Shipping & Handling, any changes since you
last modified them?
Thanks for taking it upon yourself to make and offer these.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #24 on: July 09, 2015, 01:24:45 PM »
hankh,

The pricing and shipping costs are still the same as they are listed on the sales form.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #25 on: July 10, 2015, 12:54:30 AM »
So I've been running these through my 22's for the good part of a few months now.

- Work great in M&P 15-22
- Work great in all my 10/22's
- Even works in my SR22!

- Have had feed issues with my CZ bolt actions (452 Scout, 455 Ultra Lux).  Doesn't seem to like the feed angle sometimes.

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #26 on: July 10, 2015, 02:27:29 PM »
I'm placing an order for these, to replace a bunch of .22 dummy rounds which are brass-cased/lead-bullet type and don't fit the bill as a safe item for dry fire practice since they're almost indistinguishable from loaded rounds (but work fine for function and ball-and-dummy).

I use the Magpul .223 dummy dummy rounds and while they're good, they're not great as the dimensions aren't to spec and so they load+eject funny sometimes.  Use of all the other garbage aluminum/brittle plastic types I've stopped, since they do more harm than good.

Prescott, do you intend to begin making dummies for other calibers than .22lr?


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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #27 on: July 10, 2015, 02:34:31 PM »
Since the market is already full of various Snap Caps for center fire cartridges, I doubt I will try to compete in that market.  My design works well for rim fire cartridges, and I am considering making a .22 magnum and a .17 HMR product.
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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #28 on: July 01, 2016, 11:52:10 PM »
Are you still selling these? Is your order form in this topic still valid?

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Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
« Reply #29 on: July 03, 2016, 09:48:36 AM »
Yes, I am still making these and have plenty in stock.

Thanks for checking.
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