Author Topic: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters  (Read 1541 times)

Offline BrotherPilot

  • VA State Coordinator
  • designated Shoot Boss
  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Charter Pistol Instructor

  • Posts: 353
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #30 on: November 08, 2019, 08:41:37 PM »
My current project is developing a variant of the old Garand M2 aiming device that will fit a 10/22 model Tech-sight - for all those instructors who have wanted to see what the shooter is seeing...

Just take my money now!  Please keep us posted on this...it would be amazingly helpful.

And welcome back!
Jay
VA State Coordinator
"It does not take a majority to prevail ... but rather an irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men."  ―Samuel Adams

Offline kenjo

  • Retired Shoot Boss
  • Full Member
  • *
  • Posts: 232
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #31 on: November 10, 2019, 09:37:20 PM »
I'm bumping this since I'm back in the program, under my real name.



Welcome back!
"At what point then is the approach of danger to be expected? I answer, if it ever reach us, it must spring up amongst us. It cannot come from abroad. If destruction be our lot, we must ourselves be its author and finisher. As a nation of freemen, we must live through all time, or die by suicide."  Abraham Lincoln

Offline Lomshek

  • designated Shoot Boss
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 570
  • KS state coordinator
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #32 on: November 17, 2019, 08:37:56 PM »
I'm bumping this since I'm back in the program, under my real name.
See <<<<.

I can't edit the original post, since different account, but here's an update on status of the various projects mentioned, and I'll get a new thread going with full updates soon.

Standard products listed on eBay (links in OP are dead, but can find via search) Updated 11Nov2019, thank you, Rusty!:

10/22 barrel band sling adapter in black  http://www.ebay.com/itm/142976223294
Marlin 60 sling adapter in black  http://www.ebay.com/itm/143338730809
10/22 'clicky' demo trigger in natural (off white)   http://www.ebay.com/itm/143357126291

I'll give 10% off the eBay price to bona fide AS instructors ONLY, if you contact me via PM, and send payment via Paypal Friends& Family (we are both, right?)

Custom builds, contact me via PM:
M1A/M14 'clicky' demo trigger in natural (off white)  [eBay threw this off their site, since it's a 'part for an assault rifle'  ::)  !@#) ]
10/22 'clicky' trigger with adjustable takeup and weight
Any of the above triggers in black
Red Coat cookie cutters!  Set of three for stages 2, 3, 4 sized D silhouette cookies.

My current project is developing a variant of the old Garand M2 aiming device that will fit a 10/22 model Tech-sight - for all those instructors who have wanted to see what the shooter is seeing...

Welcome back!  Glad to have you in the program.


Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #33 on: November 22, 2019, 12:58:26 PM »
Thanks all for the welcome back!

I'm still plugging away on the updated 'aiming device' - and somewhat scratching my head.  A friction fit on the Tech-sight did not work, just doesn't provide enough purchase points to fasten securely.  Looked good to start, but as my wife proved, shoot a ten shot string and it comes adrift both vertically and horizontally.  Back to the drawing board...   :wb:

Magnetic is probably the next step, though the Tech-sight body is actually cast aluminum, unlike the original M1/M1A sights that are good old fashioned steel.  The only magnetic bits on a Tech-sight are the adjusting screws, which don't offer much of a mount point, but we'll see what super magnets can do.  Or maybe a different kind of sight...

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #34 on: February 25, 2020, 06:33:28 PM »
After three tries, I now have a functioning (though not yet manufacturable) prototype of the 'Tech-Sight aiming device':





Shown on a dismounted rear sight used for testing, but the wife ran ten cadenced shots through a 10/22 with it mounted last night and it stayed firmly in place, so that's progress.  As you can see from the first image, the rear sight is clearly visible, and I had no trouble picking up the front sight.  I could easily see breathing pattern, muzzle flip after firing, and return to the NPOA position.  Would work really well with dry firing or a ball&dummy drill.  Less directly useful for determining proper sight alignment, since you can't actually see the shooter's eye position.  OTOH, the device creates a 'tunnel vision' for the shooter that makes it very hard to not notice that aperture (sometimes a problem with kids).

On the down side, the attachments consist of two super magnets and a piece of spring steel that are just hanging out in the wind right now, not a good idea for something to keep in the range bag.  And it's still not quite square on to the sight body, which you can see in the second photo.  So at least a couple more prototypes to go to fix those up and make it easier to build.

I also realized (duh!) that there will have to be a separate version for lefty shooters, since it's difficult to see through their heads...   :slap:

Offline maxwell

  • Retired Shoot Boss
  • Sr. Member
  • *
  • Posts: 380
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #35 on: February 29, 2020, 02:42:28 PM »
I also realized (duh!) that there will have to be a separate version for lefty shooters, since it's difficult to see through their heads...   :slap:

Not needed for lefty shooters: we're just that good.  ;)

Seriously, this is really cool. Now for a camera and wireless transmitter, and an instructor can monitor the entire line from a computer…

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #36 on: May 31, 2020, 05:56:03 PM »
The most current eBay links for my standard stock products:

GI sling adapter for Marlin 60
GI sling adapter for Ruger 10/22 with barrel band
Demo/practice trigger for Ruger 10/22 stock
Demo/practice trigger for Remington 700 stock

The M14 stock demo trigger, adjustable versions of the demo trigger and alternate colors are special order items, contact me via PM here.

I now have a manufactureable version of the Tech-sight aiming device for 10/22s.  Just needs some field testing, when we get shoots going again...   :wb:  :---

Edit 7/17/21: Updated eBay links to current listings.  Edit 9/24/21 ditto.  Edit 2/23/22 ditto, and added R700 trigger as standard item.
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 07:43:51 PM by TimOren »

Offline dart67eb

  • designated Shoot Boss
  • Hero Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 971
  • Cameron. Back by popular demand.
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #37 on: June 01, 2020, 11:15:23 AM »
I just ordered a trigger.  I don't need it to reset because the student needs to feel the reset of their rifle.
Ignorance may be bliss, but it's not a virtue.

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2021, 01:42:58 PM »
For those who use Remington 700 stocks for their demo rifles, I'm working on a practice trigger version for those.  Non-trivial mod, so it'll be at least a few weeks.

Offline Monkey

  • Social Media & Special Projects
  • Senior Instructor-RBC/IBC
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1318
  • Senior Staff
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2021, 09:57:41 PM »
For those who use Remington 700 stocks for their demo rifles, I'm working on a practice trigger version for those.  Non-trivial mod, so it'll be at least a few weeks.

Thanks, Tim.  As of this moment, Rem 700 stocks are easier to snatch up than 10/22 stocks (think CDNN Sports), so this will be very helpful.  Appreciate you taking the time to work on this, sir.
"5 minutes for this stage - that's like a week in people years!"

"Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible."
― Hyman G. Rickover

"Scoring is a function of great execution, and winning Is the result, but thinking about winning can pull your focus off of proper execution in a competition. Thinking about process is the answer."- Lanny Bassham

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #40 on: July 25, 2021, 01:59:40 PM »
I now have a working version of the R700 demo trigger.  Still needs some production optimization, but that's best done as part of the initial run.  So questions:

Who and how many are interested?  I will sell the first batch here at a discount from eBay since I don't have to pay their fees to sell direct.  I still have to run some numbers but I'll probably be selling them at about $32 direct, shipping included.

What color?  You can have anything as long as it's off-white or black.   ;D  I'll eventually settle on one color for production to simplify stocking.

What kind of stock are you putting it in?  Remington made or after market?

I am asking the last because I don't have personal experience with variation of inlets for nominally R700 stocks.  When I did the 10/22 trigger I had long experience with those, and M14s are of course milspec.  I built this on a Remington original long action take-off stock.  It occupies the trigger inlet, part of the floor plate area, and has a retaining clip that reaches into the near end of the action/magazine area, so it ought to be safe, so long as non-Remington stocks are conforming to the Remington trigger inlet pattern, which is NOT simple.  (Though speaking as someone who messes with modeling tools and plastics, it is nicely designed to firmly retain the trigger while following build rules for molding.)

Post up here and I'll contact directly.


Now listed on eBay, see next message.
« Last Edit: August 03, 2021, 03:34:45 PM by TimOren »

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #41 on: August 03, 2021, 03:38:10 PM »
Demo / practice trigger for Remington 700 stocks is now completed and selling on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144138195194

Making this one in black, at least for now, since it looks spiffy with take-off Remington polymer stocks.  This was built and tested on a long action R700 stock, but should be good with any Remington made stock and probably with aftermarkets, so long as they've adhered closely to the R700 inlet pattern.

Had to bump the cost on this a couple bucks, as it's a more complex build than the 10/22.

Offline Monkey

  • Social Media & Special Projects
  • Senior Instructor-RBC/IBC
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1318
  • Senior Staff
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #42 on: August 04, 2021, 01:34:55 PM »
Demo / practice trigger for Remington 700 stocks is now completed and selling on eBay:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/144138195194

Making this one in black, at least for now, since it looks spiffy with take-off Remington polymer stocks.  This was built and tested on a long action R700 stock, but should be good with any Remington made stock and probably with aftermarkets, so long as they've adhered closely to the R700 inlet pattern.

Had to bump the cost on this a couple bucks, as it's a more complex build than the 10/22.

Tim,

Thanks again for doing this.  Ordered one this morning; if it works like it supposed to, I'll definitely order more.
"5 minutes for this stage - that's like a week in people years!"

"Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible."
― Hyman G. Rickover

"Scoring is a function of great execution, and winning Is the result, but thinking about winning can pull your focus off of proper execution in a competition. Thinking about process is the answer."- Lanny Bassham

Offline Monkey

  • Social Media & Special Projects
  • Senior Instructor-RBC/IBC
  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1318
  • Senior Staff
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #43 on: August 11, 2021, 09:57:03 PM »
Got mine - perfect fit and functions great!  Thanks!

"5 minutes for this stage - that's like a week in people years!"

"Responsibility is a unique concept... You may share it with others, but your portion is not diminished. You may delegate it, but it is still with you... If responsibility is rightfully yours, no evasion, or ignorance or passing the blame can shift the burden to someone else. Unless you can point your finger at the man who is responsible when something goes wrong, then you have never had anyone really responsible."
― Hyman G. Rickover

"Scoring is a function of great execution, and winning Is the result, but thinking about winning can pull your focus off of proper execution in a competition. Thinking about process is the answer."- Lanny Bassham

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #44 on: August 16, 2021, 07:32:10 PM »
Got mine - perfect fit and functions great!  Thanks!

Let me know if any suggestions after you use it a while.  If you decide to get more, contact me here and I can give you a discount from eBay price.

Offline TimOren

  • Instructor
  • Newbie
  • ****
  • Posts: 47
Re: Demo/practice triggers & barrel band sling adapters
« Reply #45 on: January 27, 2022, 02:55:09 PM »
Thanks to Meadow, I now know that the demo triggers I make for the M14/M1A stocks will also work with an M1 Garand take-off stock.  These are still special items at least for now.