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Title: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Wheeler44 on November 04, 2010, 06:27:06 PM
This is a placemark for IIT Prescott; he makes and sells a neat little snap cap (.22 lr) that works slick for ball and dummy and dryfire. Grab a package of these and never hear "I can't dryfire my rifle" again.

Prescott will be here soon to better describe his product.

W44 (shameless beta tester of said product)
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on November 04, 2010, 07:30:20 PM
Introducing the MMG .22 caliber snap cap

The first and only fully functional snap cap for a rim-fire rifle.   The MMG snap cap is injection molded from an advanced thermoplastic resin that allows the snap cap to withstand repeated firings.   The elastomeric material allow the snap cap to absorb the energy of the firing pin like real .22 caliber ammunition.  This snap cap has been tested in most sport and competition .22 rifles.

The MMG snap cap is molded in safety orange color and is ideal for magazine loading and dry-fire exercises.

Order some today and protect your rifle from potential dry-fire damage.

PRICING
12 pieces - $10.00
25 pieces - $18.00
50 pieces - $34.00
100 pieces - $65.00

Please include an addition $5.00 per order for shipping and handling.

I have also attached an order form.

Send check or money order to:
MMG, LLC
2470 Julie Lane
Payette, ID 83661

Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Garand69 on November 04, 2010, 09:31:16 PM
silly question, do they reliably feed from the magazine, in a real ball and dummy drill??
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Wheeler44 on November 04, 2010, 09:43:06 PM
Now that ain't a silly question G......These babies have been tested for feed and function in every one of Wheelers .22s and a whole lot more....

W44
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: CortJestir on November 04, 2010, 09:51:38 PM
This is a great idea. I'm so sick of those aluminum "action proving" rounds whose rims get all bent out of shape after a few firing pin strikes.

Does the cost include shipping? About how many strikes can one of these bad boys take?
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: The Log on November 04, 2010, 10:35:19 PM
I'd be willing to go in with you on a few bags, CJ - it would smooth out the ball-and-dummy drills on our ever-growing Nutmeg State lines! The centerfire guys might feel cheated, though. :'(
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on November 04, 2010, 11:42:57 PM
In a standard 10/22 rifle, these snap caps will last indefinitely.   The firing pin spring in the Ruger is not strong enough to dent this material.

My primary business is selling thermoplastic resin, and I tested 6 different grades to find one that would work perfect.   I tested the samples in every .22 rifle I could find, and one of my friends has an old pump action Savage with a wickedly strong firing pin.   His Savage was able to rip through all of the other materials tested, but just leaves a dent in this material.  I have used these snap caps at 3 appleseeds and have not had one failure.

As these snap caps are made from a semi rigid elastomeric thermoplastic resin, they are stiff enough to load and feed through most magazines.  I have had only one issue in a well worn Remington clip, in which the snap cap would push up too high out of the magazine and the nose would raise up and this would cause it to jam on loading.   The shooter changed to his second newer magazine and had no further issues.

I have attached the photo of the dent marks made by that pump action Savage.   I shot one cap at least 40 times with that Savage, and even though it was well dented, the snap cap did not crack, chip or tear through.

I had neglected to include shipping and handling in the original post and have updated to include that cost.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: 06en on November 05, 2010, 01:42:56 AM
I didn't realize that you had made the ones we were using at the Castle Rock shoot. I still have one and still see no wear and from what I experienced,they ran flawlessly. I will be ordering some.

Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Wade on November 05, 2010, 02:12:35 PM
silly question, do they reliably feed from the magazine, in a real ball and dummy drill??

They work great, seen them used @ Castle Rock ,I have yet to see any problems ,,,I like em very much.


Wade
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on November 05, 2010, 06:50:05 PM
I am willing to send samples to any instructor that wants to test them out.   Send me a PM with your address and I will throw them in the mail.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Pvt.Joker on December 03, 2010, 09:36:31 PM
I think this is a great idea! Not so much for the snap-cap benefit, but for training purposes! The military used to make these available to us for instructional purposes, because they WORK! Loading a magazine with ball and dummy is vastly superior for detecting/correcting flinching/bucking/jerking, etc. over  single loading, which seems to be the common method, at least in this geo area.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on March 25, 2011, 01:32:00 AM
Thanks to all who have order the Snapcap for this upcoming season.  Please provide some feedback on how they are working for you.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: ID_Hezekiah on November 29, 2011, 09:58:02 AM
Thanks to all who have order the Snapcap for this upcoming season.  Please provide some feedback on how they are working for you.

Prescott - the snap caps are all you described and more.  Since accepting the Orange Hat, I've given them good use in ball and dummy drills and given quite a few of my first order of 25 away.  I'm sending a new order for 100 this week.  Great work, thanks.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: grunt soldier on March 02, 2012, 06:42:38 PM
are you still selling these sir?  I'm interested in 25.  pm coming your way
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on March 03, 2012, 12:23:20 AM
Yes, I am still making the Snap Caps.  I recently had a new batch produced and they are ready to ship.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: douglas34474 on March 03, 2012, 12:30:07 AM
I don't know of a 22 RF design in production today that will be damaged by dry firing. :)
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: GEmanuel on March 03, 2012, 06:18:57 AM
I don't know of a 22 RF design in production today that will be damaged by dry firing. :)

While I would feel pretty confident with many 22s made today, not all will tolerate dry fire without damage.
My CMMG 22 upper for example specifically requires the firing pin be removed for dry fire practice. After talking to the factory service department I was informed that while this is not a defect, it is inherent in the design of the pin itself. Though I had not yet broken any, he was very kind and sent me a spare, just in case.
It is a good idea to advise any shooter with one of these to not dry fire on the line w/o a snap cap.

I also have a Marlin 795, and while they generally hold up pretty well, they will work harden and can break over time. ymmv
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: boscohurn on March 03, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
With a Remington 597 it is possible to peen the edge of the chamber while dry firing.  Not likely perhaps but possible.  And yeah, I think I will order some of those snap caps.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: douglas34474 on March 04, 2012, 05:10:56 AM
While I would feel pretty confident with many 22s made today, not all will tolerate dry fire without damage.
My CMMG 22 upper for example specifically requires the firing pin be removed for dry fire practice.

I stand corrected.

Why does Appleseed teach students to dry fire, and that doing so will not damage their rifle?
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: obijohn on August 17, 2014, 11:58:08 AM
Are these still available?
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on August 17, 2014, 07:23:03 PM
Yes,  I still manufacture them.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: unvbill on September 30, 2014, 06:41:47 AM
Do you take Paypal?

Thanks
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on September 30, 2014, 03:23:41 PM
No, I am not set up to take Paypal. Sorry
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: hankh on July 09, 2015, 12:18:11 AM
Prescott, Howdy;

New year, new to Appleseed, Are you still offering these 'Snap-caps' for sale?
Any new particulars? Whats the Shipping & Handling, any changes since you
last modified them?
Thanks for taking it upon yourself to make and offer these.

hank
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on July 09, 2015, 01:24:45 PM
hankh,

The pricing and shipping costs are still the same as they are listed on the sales form.

Thanks,
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Monkey on July 10, 2015, 12:54:30 AM
So I've been running these through my 22's for the good part of a few months now.

- Work great in M&P 15-22
- Work great in all my 10/22's
- Even works in my SR22!

- Have had feed issues with my CZ bolt actions (452 Scout, 455 Ultra Lux).  Doesn't seem to like the feed angle sometimes.

And OBTW, quick shipping and good seller comms too!
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: estairplusplus on July 10, 2015, 02:27:29 PM
I'm placing an order for these, to replace a bunch of .22 dummy rounds which are brass-cased/lead-bullet type and don't fit the bill as a safe item for dry fire practice since they're almost indistinguishable from loaded rounds (but work fine for function and ball-and-dummy).

I use the Magpul .223 dummy dummy rounds and while they're good, they're not great as the dimensions aren't to spec and so they load+eject funny sometimes.  Use of all the other garbage aluminum/brittle plastic types I've stopped, since they do more harm than good.

Prescott, do you intend to begin making dummies for other calibers than .22lr?

Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on July 10, 2015, 02:34:31 PM
Since the market is already full of various Snap Caps for center fire cartridges, I doubt I will try to compete in that market.  My design works well for rim fire cartridges, and I am considering making a .22 magnum and a .17 HMR product.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: goodoldfriend on July 01, 2016, 11:52:10 PM
Are you still selling these? Is your order form in this topic still valid?

Thanks
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on July 03, 2016, 09:48:36 AM
Yes, I am still making these and have plenty in stock.

Thanks for checking.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Crazyduckhunter on March 13, 2017, 11:35:30 PM
Another apple seeder endorsing this product. They work very good in the marlin 795. Also at a pistol shoot this weekend was able to use one to show another shooter that his firing pin was broken on his pistol. Great product and a great training tool. Thank you!
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Nashville Stage on March 21, 2017, 02:31:38 AM
Hi Prescott,

These look neat! Are they still available? I'd like to try some out.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on March 21, 2017, 02:35:08 PM
Yes, I am still manufacturing them.   If you send me your address, I will send you a couple samples to try.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Nashville Stage on March 21, 2017, 03:54:23 PM
PM sent.
Thanks!
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: jlwilliams on March 22, 2017, 12:49:02 PM
do you take paypal?
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Prescott on March 23, 2017, 07:23:33 PM
You are second person to have asked me that lately.  Sorry, I am old school and just accept checks, money orders or cash.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: jlwilliams on March 24, 2017, 08:22:08 AM
Ok, ill get an order out.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Mike AKA Bandaid on August 10, 2018, 11:40:18 PM
Hope you're still making these Prescott! Order inbound to you!
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Moy on May 16, 2020, 02:00:17 AM
Yet another endorsement of these snapcaps.  With pictures (15 pictures, not the smallest, so bandwidth warning):

https://imgur.com/a/feVwE2v

I tried to break one, I really did.  I was unable to.

The first 3 pictures there show the effects of a single dryfire - basically zero impact on the snapcap except for a visible dent from the firing pin.

The next three pictures show the effects of ten consecutive dryfires on exactly the same spot.  The effect is basically the same as a single dryfire.

The next four pictures show me finally getting something that looked visibly damaged, by dryfiring the same spot 25 times in a row.  But of course "damaged" doesn't really mean anything, because it still works fine and extracts.

I then dryfired 25 more immediately adjacent, so you can really see it starting to smear out.  It still feeds and extracts perfectly fine.  I think after 50 dryfires on the same spot it no longer is being impacted much , because I couldn''t get it to break out any farther.  I suspect if you used an older rifle that was less safe with snapcap-less dryfiring (so that you had to worry about the chamber), it might eventually wear out.  With a newer rifle, I'm almost convinced you can't break these.

I was able to get a failure to feed up through the magazine once, but.... that's the exact same behavior I get with real ammo, because Savage Mk ii magazines are not very good.  So, behaves like the real thing.

Anyways, A+ awesome snapcaps.  Now I will be able to properly do ball and dummy at the range.  Well, not now, because everything is still closed, but once the virus relents a bit...... soon ?  Maybe? I hope.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Snow Snake on May 16, 2020, 04:37:25 PM
 Caps from Prescott are the  best,used them for two years, (gave many away).These are the only ones that will actually feed from my Ruger MK IV magazines.
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: Lomshek on May 16, 2020, 11:45:12 PM
I've only used mine in a few 'seeds but they've already proven far tougher than anything else out there.  Well worth the money!
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: mikek on April 23, 2022, 01:13:48 PM
Are you still taking orders?
Title: Re: Real dummies for ball and dummy drill
Post by: GTEngineer on April 28, 2022, 12:29:12 PM
Mikek, you're in my area, next time we meet up give me a heads up and I'll bring a few for you.

Are you still taking orders?