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Offline MontanaCZ

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Other Ranges??
« on: August 19, 2009, 06:43:10 PM »
So what about other ranges in the state?  What happened to the one that was going to come on line in Bitterroot?  It almost appears if we are the only ones in the state willing to teach some marksmanship.  How can that be?

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Re: Other Ranges??
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2009, 09:51:00 PM »
I think we need a salesman.

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Re: Other Ranges??
« Reply #2 on: August 20, 2009, 12:38:27 PM »
I believe that glocker is a great sales person.  I also believe that people that could be helping .... ahh never mind. 

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Re: Other Ranges??
« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2009, 01:48:32 AM »
Rant mode on-

I have been putting out feelers all over the state, Bitterroot, Missoula, Kalispell, Billings, Butte...no takers yet. I was very excited in Three Forks when people from Kalispell showed interest in setting up a range...I exchanged emails and range host packs but have zero response to my queries in the past 3 months.

I think that when people realize I am not going to do it for them but that I will help them get the ball rolling they balk and fold.

Last year I put over 3000 miles on my truck traveling around the state talking to people and trying to get things done. Since then between surgeries, stress related illness, work schedule things have not progressed as quickly as I had hoped.

I get the ball started and help keep it on track NOT do it for them. That is the problem with people today...they want people to do it for them.

If I am not a fire and brimstone salesman so be it...I have fought hard for this state with Big Appleseed to keep us in the loop and to get shoots going ( how many were there last year, the year before?) Is it all my doing? NO...but I would like to think that I was able to spur desires to get shoots on the ball.

Rant mode off-


Just my .02

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« Last Edit: August 28, 2009, 12:31:58 PM by glocker21 »
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Re: Other Ranges??
« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2009, 05:56:54 AM »
My deepest, and humble, apologies to you glocker.  As usual for me, I should have inserted my keyboard into my mouth instead of typing. I will attempt to put some more meaning into what I was trying to really convey.  I also realize that it may just be us 3 now that can even see this thread.  I forgot about the recent board changes.

It was a poorly written attempt at frustrated sarcasm born from the lack of participation from other very good ranges in this great state.  While the state and ranges may be great, we seem to have cancer ridden yuppies that are running them!!  [hey, that is a pretty harsh treatment coming from me  :P].  It was not meant to be a slam against the vast efforts that you have put in glocker, or the efforts that clodhopper, misfit, shooter, maximus, or bru have put in either.  Maybe it should be more self directed.  Anyway, it was a rant mode poke at these other places, NOT the ones that have done anything about it.

I am truly sorry.  I should have just kept my yap shut.

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Re: Other Ranges??
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2009, 10:19:03 AM »
No worries CZ...I know that you were not jabbing at me. And please...neve keep your comments to yourself, if you do then nothing changes or gets better.

I am just getting tired of people who want something for nothing, people who want an Appleseed and boot camps and such in their area but will not lift a finger to make it happen. You see it in all volunteer organizations unfortunately.

I also get frustrated when I have been busting my read end and people think that I have been essentially doing nothing and not being a salesman for Appleseed. I have been trying to be the salesman for this state by traveling around the state, burning up phone lines, sending emails, etc. The long and the short of it is that I cannot and will not do something entirely for someone...they have to make some effort if they want something to happen.

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« Last Edit: August 22, 2009, 10:20:50 AM by glocker21 »
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A frugal government requires a self−reliant people.

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