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JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« on: January 11, 2020, 04:05:24 PM »



Attention NM Appleseeders.
This is our Virginia Rally!!
Pro Gun Women and the New Mexico Shooting Sports Association are the sponsors.
January 31 Pro Gun Rally in Santa Fe at the Merry roundhouse starting at 11 AM. Appleseed flags, shirts are naturally welcome as this event is about networking with all other firearms and liberty minded groups.  If you did not make it last year at this time PLEASE be here this time if at all possible. We need big numbers this time.
https://nmssa.org/

As you know our last elections were financed by 1.) Soros, 2.) Bloomberg and since we border Mexico, 3.) The cartels. 
Additionally, at the last minute some ballots were “mysteriously” discovered which swayed the the election and thus for the first time in decades our political trifecta is completely dominated by extreme factions voted in within the Democrat party.
This is the same gaggle of tyrants that have been financing the various NM gun bills for the last 5 years or so. Thus:
We are fast reaching the point you can’t fix the system with the system and now they want to disarm us.


Red Flag Laws, semi auto ban and magazine bans that did not get passed last time, due to the fact they ran out of time, is up on the agenda again.
The New Mexico 30 Day Legislative Session will include most gun control bills not passed last session.
Our last Pro Gun rally was cancelled to to extreme pro 2A factions who wanted to hijack and blend our peaceful message for their own.

From the events organizer:
Stephani Lord-Founder of Pro Gun women.

"Basic Details - more coming later.
Stay tuned as the anti’s often try and counter us at the last minute as they did last year at this time.
Arrive 10:30 - 11, Rally Starts at 11 at the roundhouse. Give yourself time to park and walk. Parking is usually far from the roundhouse.

This is an outdoor rally so dress warm.
There will be speakers, but we will keep it brief for inclement weather. Then we will march around the roundhouse and then up to the Governor's office to present her with No Red Flag Signatures.

Please make yourself visible inside the roundhouse - walk around, go visit the office of Representatives and leave them messages. Being SEEN inside is very effective.
From the event organizer:
Bring flags, signs, etc.

We WANT them to see us.

What we don't want:
Trouble makers.
Vulgar signs, etc. like the anti's use.

And this one might ruffle some feathers - but please, leave your long guns at home and just carry how you normally would. We want them to hear our MESSAGE not dismiss us because they are afraid. They need to fear the message, not us. Dress normal, be normal, just be louder than usual :-)
Open carry is not allowed in the roundhouse, and for now, you CAN conceal carry inside.

Just remember - we want them to see the numbers and hear the message. Guaranteed that if anyone shows up dressed in all camo gear and body armor with an AR - that person will make the news only, and it won't be good news either. So please, just dress in your normal day to day clothing. And if you feel differently, I invite you to make your own rally. Thank you."


See you all there!
« Last Edit: January 11, 2020, 07:21:38 PM by TaosGlock »
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2020, 12:21:54 PM »
Will be there with bells on and will bring a couple folks with me...O.L.
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2020, 01:06:39 PM »
Will be there with bells on and will bring a couple folks with me...O.L.
Excellent, I am putting up posters everywhere I can, a scan of the above is the standardized one, and posting on all my firearm and liberty minded groups.
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2020, 07:22:56 PM »
Just In...
Billionaire Bloomberg's Goon Squad are once again pushing for the Red Flag bills in New Mexico!
This is why it's SO important for us to show up at the Second Amendment Rally!
Moms Demand Action will be bussed to the roundhouse in big numbers and they WILL go and talk to their legislators. We need to do the same! YOU are the voice of New Mexico, not them!
Right after the rally, make sure you go see your personal representatives, as well as those presenting these gun confiscation GeorgeSoros and mini Mike Bloomberg have been very intent on BUYING THIS STATE! 

GeoSoros owns our governor, MLG, the SOS, and the District Attorney from Bernalillo.  GeoSoros's PAC is New Mexico Peace and Justice. 
The Santa Fe New Mexican put it on the front page that Soros donated to MLG.


See you the 31st in Santa Fe.
TG
« Last Edit: January 23, 2020, 10:24:32 PM by TaosGlock »
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2020, 11:23:25 PM »
Parking areas, see pic below.
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2020, 11:27:36 PM »
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2020, 08:08:29 PM »
UPDATE:
Wear your Appleseed shirts/hats. Bring any trifolds.
Let’s prove the media wrong again; let’s show them that thousands of gun owners can come together and rally PEACEFULLY just like Virginia did! We want THOUSANDS of legal gun owners to show up to make this the BIGGEST Second Amendment Rally in the history of New Mexico!

How to Get Up to Date Information:
Text NMGUNS to 484848 and stay connected for event updates!

When:
January 31, 2020, at 11:00 am, outside on the East Side of the Capitol Building.  (Get there early to park)

Why a Weekday?
1) So the legislators see us.
2) So we can go inside and talk to our representatives or at least show up in their offices and leave a message.

Where:
State Capitol in Santa Fe  490 Old Santa Fe Trail, Santa Fe, NM 87501

Can I Open Carry?
Outside, yes.
Inside the State Capitol is concealed carry only.

Pro-Gun Women suggests you dress how you usually dress, carry how you typically carry. However, you are your own person and free to do what you want. Just remember, we will be under media scrutiny.

Parking:
Parking is challenging at the State Capitol.
There is a Capitol Parking Lot just to the east of the roundhouse on Old Santa Fe Trail, but it hit or miss for parking. It is a 4-minute walk to the roundhouse.
The State Capital Parking Building at 485 Galisteo St, Santa Fe, NM 87501, and it is a 7-minute walk to the roundhouse.
 Public parking is available at the Sandoval Municipal Garage 216 West San Francisco Street (across the street from The Lensic). It is a 12-minute walk from the Capitol.
Additional metered parking is available throughout the downtown area.
(Scroll to the bottom for maps of the parking areas)

Transportation:
There are buses and the RailRunner train that will take you to the capital, HOWEVER – no weapons allowed open or concealed.
Carpooling with others is a great suggestion, especially if you have issues walking. You can be dropped off right in front of the roundhouse.

Weather:
It’s New Mexico in January, so it could be snowing, hailing, windy, cold, raining, cloudy, sunny, warmish, or all of the above. Dress in layers.

Goal:
Peaceful assembly of gun owners who are TIRED of the New Mexico Representatives and the Governor taking our gun rights away. If you are looking for trouble or a physical fight, this is not the rally for you. Let’s be the shining example of good behavior! This rally is open to all!

Plan:
Assemble on the east side of the State Capitol Building. Please give your self plenty of time for parking and walking. Around 11:00 am we will start the rally. After, we will do a walk around the roundhouse to make sure we are seen from all angles. Then we will go inside (remember, no open carry in the building), and you are welcome to go to the Governor’s office to deliver some petitions with Pro-Gun Women, or you can find your Representatives office and encourage them to protect the Second Amendment. We will also go to the top ten anti-gun reps and tell them to vote no on gun bills. Remember, be calm, be respectful. We are gun owners, not violent left-wing fanatics

What to Bring:
Flags
Signs
Water

Precautions:
We do not anticipate any trouble from anyone; however, always be aware of your surroundings walking to and from the rally. Walk together in groups to and from the event, if possible. There will be state police monitoring the event.

Not Welcome:
Any form of hate group will not be tolerated and asked to leave
Signs with vulgarity like the left uses
Anyone looking to start trouble should not even bother coming

Speakers:
Stefani Lord, founder, and president of Pro-Gun Women
Zach Fort, president of New Mexico Sport Shooters Association
Sheriff Tony Mace, advocate for the Second Amendment counties in New Mexico, as well as any other of the 30 Sheriffs that support and defend the constitution.
Representative Dr. Gregg Schmedes, a strong supporter of the second amendment in New Mexico
Alexandria O. Garza- representative for the NRA

Questions:
Find Pro-Gun Women on Facebook or Twitter and send a message. Or you can email at info@progunwomen.org
Liability Disclaimer
Pro-Gun Women and New Mexico Sport Shooters Association of not liable for any theft, damages, or injuries occurred during this rally.

Also, we are geting a trash crew organized.
« Last Edit: January 21, 2020, 08:26:45 PM by TaosGlock »
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2020, 08:56:10 PM »
Dan, I'm unable to get the time off work to join you  :-\

Do you have one of the Project Appleseed flags??  If you don't, I'll get you one
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2020, 10:00:24 PM »
No, I don’t.
Thank you Traci!😍
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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2020, 11:26:03 PM »
Appleseed Flags inbound, brother.  Hopefully they'll get there before you leave for Santa Fe!
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« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2020, 12:11:57 AM »
 :bow: :bow: :bow: :1luvu
Thank you Traci!

Will be watching out in the mail!
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« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2020, 01:58:53 PM »
Maps:


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« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2020, 10:28:52 PM »
Thanks for spearheading this, Dan!  :1luvu
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« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2020, 11:13:18 PM »
Thanks for spearheading this, Dan!  :1luvu
Absolutely :1luvu
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« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2020, 11:13:54 PM »
It has begun, we finally have the committee assignments for the Redflag SB5 Bill.
We need to contact each of these Senators and express politely, our displeasure of this bill.
Below are some talking points brought up by Sheriff Mark Cage, that will help you explain why this bill is bad.

Besides the blatantly obvious lack of due process, the lack of addressing mental health issues that are the actual root of the problem, and the whole “Minority Report” mentality, I have identified several other flaws that prove how shoddily this bill was slapped together.

1) The bill states that the court shall issue a search warrant to be executed. The process for obtaining a search warrant is that a law enforcement officer petitions the court through an affidavit and the court determines probable cause and approves or disapproves it. Who will be petitioning for this search warrant? The court itself? Not how things work.

2) It specifically states that law enforcement may not charge storage fees for the firearms and ammunition. This is a minor issue, but this is just another unfunded mandate.

3) When defining the temporary order, the bill refers to “probable cause” which is the standard held for searches, arrest warrants and warrantless arrests. However, when it comes to issuing a 1 Year extension on the seizure it requires the much lower standard of “preponderance of the evidence”. Why the much lower burden of proof when it comes to a much longer infringement of a citizen’s right to bear arms?

4) The bill states law enforcement may dispose of (sell) seized firearms and ammunition after a certain time period. This flies in the face of New Mexico forfeiture law that was championed by these same people that didn’t want us to seize drug dealers guns and convert them to help fund drug enforcement operations. But it’s ok if it’s a citizen that hasn’t committed any crime. Just not a drug dealer...

5) The potential for abuse by malicious ex partners has been spoken of frequently by many sources is this, Further room for abuse is provided in this bill by prohibiting law enforcement from charging for reports, pictures and videos used to bolster the case against the gun owner by the accuser. We spend a significant part of our budget and our office staff’s work week providing these items to citizens, attorneys, businesses, etc. and HAVE to charge fees to at least partially recoup our expenses.

6) Another issue from the Bill is under the definition of “firearm”. Assuming we were to agree with the seizure of the gun itself, why would we need to also seize accessories like a suppressor?

Remember, be polite and respectful.

Senators to contact:

Senate Committees Committee:

Senator Mary Kay Papen- (D) - President Pro Tempore - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4733 Email:marykay.papen@nmlegis.gov

Senator Peter Wirth - (D) - Majority Floor Leader - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4727        Email: peter.wirth@nmlegis.gov

Senator Pete Campos - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4311                                        Email: pete.campos@nmlegis.gov

Senator Stuart Ingle - (R) - Minority Floor Leader - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4702       Email: stuart.ingle@nmlegis.gov

Senator George K. Munoz - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4371                          Email: senatormunoz@gmail.com

Senator William H. Payne - (R) - Minority Whip - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4703      Email: william.payne@nmlegis.gov

Senator Clemente "Memé" Sanchez - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4513          Email: clemente.sanchez@nmlegis.gov

Senator John Arthur Smith - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4365                           Email: john.smith@nmlegis.gov

Senator Elizabeth "Liz" Stefanics - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4377                  Email: liz.stefanics@nmlegis.gov

Senator Mimi Stewart - (D) - Majority Whip - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4726                Email: mimi.stewart@nmlegis.gov

Senator William E. Sharer - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4381                         Email: bill@williamsharer.com

Senate Public Affairs Committee:

Senator Gerald Ortiz y Pino - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4482                                      Email: jortizyp@msn.com

Senator Jeff Steinborn - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4862                                         Email: jeff.steinborn@nmlegis.gov

Senator Candace Gould - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4266                                         Email: candace.gould@nmlegis.gov

Senator Craig W. Brandt - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4385                                          Email: craig.brandt@nmlegis.gov

Senator Stuart Ingle - (R) - Minority Floor Leader - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4702           Email: stuart.ingle@nmlegis.gov

Senator Antoinette Sedillo Lopez - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4389                        Email: a.sedillolopez@nmlegis.gov

Senator Elizabeth "Liz" Stefanics - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4377                        Email: liz.stefanics@nmlegis.gov

Senate Judiciary Committee:

Senator Joseph Cervantes - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4861                         Email: Joseph@cervanteslawnm.com

Senator Daniel A. Ivey-Soto - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4270                           Email: daniel.ivey-soto@nmlegis.gov

Senator William H. Payne - (R) - Minority Whip - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4703  Email: william.payne@nmlegis.gov

Senator Gregory A. Baca - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4877                              Email: greg.baca@nmlegis.gov

Senator Ron Griggs - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4369                                                   Email: ron.griggs@nmlegis.gov

Senator Linda M. Lopez - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4737                                            Email: linda.lopez@nmlegis.gov
Senator Richard C. Martinez - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4487                             Email: richard.martinez@nmlegis.gov

Senator Mark Moores - (R) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4856                                                Email: mark.moores@nmlegis.gov

Senator Bill B. O'Neill - (D) - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4260                                            Email: oneillsd13@billoneillfornm.com

Senator Mimi Stewart - (D) - Majority Whip - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4726                     Email: mimi.stewart@nmlegis.gov

Senator Peter Wirth - (D) - Majority Floor Leader - Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4727        Email: peter.wirth@nmlegis.gov
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #15 on: January 22, 2020, 11:17:32 PM »

Have no doubt, red flag laws are the first, frightening steps in a massive, government-controlled, gun-confiscation movement. Our Founding Fathers rebelled against England for far less.


Civic responsibility is what we teach, here is the simplest and fastest way to get in touch with our reps in the post above.

For a quick call/email:
“My name is ____ and my zip code is ____, and I am a resident of New Mexico. I want _____ to vote NO on SB5.”

Follow up with an email that says the exact same thing. Easy.

Trust me, they don’t have time to read long-winded emails, and the secretary doesn’t have time to hear your story.

All they need to know is you want them to vote NO on this bill.

This is very effective!
Time is short and we have little time to save our states...and our nation’s for that matter,  firearms liberties!
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #16 on: January 22, 2020, 11:52:45 PM »
More insight into these RedFlag Laws In New Mexico-
Coming to you right now…starting today...yeah, its a lot to wade thru...

https://www.nraila.org/articles/20200116/new-mexico-anti-gun-lawmakers-gearing-up-for-session-by-pre-filing-gun-control-bills

Redflag bills are now introduced in the 2020 New Mexico Legislature. Committee assignments are being doled out and our battle has officially begun.
Redflag laws, otherwise known as Extreme Risk Protection Orders (ERPOs), whatever you choose to call them, are supposed to give the ability to call law enforcement and stop a bad guy with a gun before he hurts someone. That sounds a lot like a script for a cop tv show than what really happens in real life. In reality, these laws are designed for abuse by ex-partners, family members that disagree with your 2A rights and more.

We’ve even seen people killed during so-called Redflag raids and no-knock raids. At the very best of the orders, innocent individuals are faced with having to pay tens of thousands of dollars, to restore their rights to own and possess firearms, even when the order was abused and false.

Would you call that the price of owning firearms, or an abuse of the law, possibly even for political gain. Many of these politicians pushing for Redflag laws, are using the push for their popularity gain and to increase their campaign income. They can even be considered a grab at power, to circumvent our God Given Rights to defend ourselves and family. But these laws are unlikely to truly address the issues of crime and mental health.

How do you know someone will be violent, how often have you seen someone commit a crime and later wondered how they fell through the cracks, with no one noticing their intentions. Yes, there have been times we all have seen that local kid get arrested and we said, “We knew that kid was headed for trouble”. But we forget all the times we see an incident and think, “I never knew there was an issue”. We always can hope we are right, but all too often we aren’t.

There are real cases where family members will have legitimate concerns, even doctors may recognize a real concern. We often see in hindsight, family members saying they knew someone needed help, but for one reason or another, it wasn’t acted upon.

Doctors and judges process many people through their practices, they are trained highly and have much experience, exercising their judgment. You would think they would be in an excellent position to predict if one of their clients poses a real violent risk. But in practice, even they fall short on predicting who and who will not be a risk. Their track record is severely lacking in this area.

Looking at mass murders during the recent 20 years, we can see there is nothing quiet about their mental conditions. Over 60% of them received mental health/psychiatric counseling. The majority of them had prior contact with law enforcement also. But in all these years, almost none of them were ever adjudicated as a violent risk to themselves or others. And that poor track record falls even worse when applied to ordinary people.

Doctors in clinical settings, often have to assess the risk of patients, with only a 60% accuracy of the next 24 hours. That is only slightly better than the 50/50 odds of guessing. But now we want to let non-mental health professionals make that determination.

How many of you have an ex-partner, family member or even a parent of an ex-partner, that you disagree with. They are the ones that get to make that mental health risk assessment on you under Redflag Laws.  They can file a report on you, stating that you are a danger to yourself or others, triggering an ex-parte order from a court, to flag you as a risk and allowing for confiscation of your firearms. Disarming you with basically a phone call, and often without consequences to themselves for making a false report.

Where is your due process that is guaranteed by the US Constitution. Redflag Laws give way to firearms confiscation base solely on an accusation. You are not given a chance to present any facts or proof on your behalf. In fact, this all happens before you are aware of it.

Domestic abusers can use this law to disarm their innocent partners, confiscating their tools of self-defense. They are left totally vulnerable and protected only by a piece of paper, along with the hope that law enforcement can arrive in time to save them.
A vindictive spouse can use Redflag Laws in a divorce. Do you trust a lawyer not to advise their client to use this route to harass and undermine their spouse. What about that family member that disagrees with you on firearm ownership and the right to bear arms? They can use this to cause you to lose your firearms and further cause grief. What about that relative that you have an argument on social media with, they will now have a tool to harass you legally.

A majority of firearms owners are upright and law-abiding. In fact, studies have recently shown that Licensed Concealed Carriers are among the most law-abiding people there are, even more so than law enforcement according to studies. So who are we making safe, when we disarm the most law-abiding people around.
Yes, we want to disarm people who make threats. But there are already laws available to do that. Even the ACLU has said they have great concerns with Redflag Laws violating due process.

Oh, and don’t forget, this judgmental order, is not in criminal court, so you have no right to a public defender. If you choose to fight the order, you will have to foot the bill for your attorney. Attorneys I’ve spoken to have said a $15,000 to $20,000 bill for defense is not unthinkable.

So, there you can see, Redflag Laws don’t truly protect you, but instead can be used to abuse your rights. They will cost many thousands of dollars to defend yourself and are based solely on a statement of an accuser, that you have no right to defend against till afterwards.

Do you think politicians are acting in your best interest and true public safety when they vote for Redflag laws, the obvious answer is no. They use the media to hype up their stance for the laws, drawing in support and money for their re-election campaigns. They sensationalize violent crime and shout that we need to do something about it, but even when 29 or 33 Sheriffs in New Mexico tell the politicians that this law is bad, it falls on deaf ears.

So please, educate yourself on what Redflag Laws truly are. Talk to your local County Sheriff about it. And then let your Legislators know what a bad bill it is and you DON’T WANT IT!
Please call the Roundhouse switchboard at (505) 986-4600 and ask to leave a message.

See you all in Santa Fe at the merry roundhouse!
TG
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #17 on: January 23, 2020, 04:09:59 PM »
**CALL TO ACTION**


Hot off the press!
These are the key folks guys:


HB 7, the second Red Flag Bill, is assigned to the HOUSE CONSUMER & PUBLIC AFFAIRS COMMITTEE.

Good news first - we have two STRONG Second Amendment representatives in that committee:  Dr. Gregg Schmedes and Candy Ezell.

The bad news is we have THREE Democrats on that committee. All we need to do is convince just ONE Dem to vote no.today.




Here is what I need for you to do



1.  Call or email every single democrat listed below and tell them or email the following:

“My name is ____ and my zip code is ____, and I am a resident of New Mexico. I want _____ to vote NO on HB7.”

All we need to do is convince just ONE Dem to vote no.

Representative Andrea Romero - (D)

Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4254

Capitol Room: 203CN

Office Phone: (505) 490-6155

Email: andrea@andrearomero.com

Representative Angelica Rubio - (D)

Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4227

Capitol Room: 203A

Office Phone: (575) 616-109

Email: angelica.rubio@nmlegis.gov

Representative Elizabeth "Liz" Thomson - (D)

Capitol Phone: (505) 986-4425

Capitol Room: 314B

Home Phone: (505) 239-1781

Email: liz.thomson@nmlegis.gov
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #18 on: January 25, 2020, 12:42:25 AM »
Today’s Update, just out:

****RED FLAG BILL TO HIT THE COMMITTEE THIS TUESDAY***


SB5, the first red flag bill, the "extreme risk" gun confiscation bill will be heard in its first committee, Senate Public Affairs, on Tuesday the 28th. The committee meets in Room 321 starting at 2:30pm. The committee is also hearing the recreational marijuana bill on the same day; we don't know what order the bills will be heard in yet, but expect that the committee meeting will be long.

To get a seat you MUST arrive early!



This is your chance to be heard by the committee.

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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #19 on: January 27, 2020, 01:44:42 PM »
****HEADS UP****

They are moving the Red Flag session from the Senate Public Affairs Committee to the gallery floor at 1:30 tomorrow. NO WEAPONS allowed in the gallery. State Police will be checking your bags and using metal detectors.  Add another 30 min or so to get through the line.


Tuesday, Jan 28 at 1:30.  I would get there by noon.

***ALL HANDS ON DECK***

Stephani Lord of Pro Gun Women will have Blue and White Pro-Gun Women men and women's shirts and buttons available tomorrow for unity.

NO NOT LET THEM DETER YOU! We NEED to show up in huge numbers because the Anti-Gun Bloomberg Goons, Mom Demand Action, WILL be there by the hundreds.


LET THIS GUN GRABBING AND BANNING NONSENSE INSPIRE YOU TO COME TO THE RALLY FRIDAY THE weekend 31
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #20 on: January 27, 2020, 04:01:18 PM »
UPDATE!!!  The hearing on SB05 has been MOVED to Tuesday, January 28, at 1:30pm on the Senate Floor in Santa Fe!  Coincidence?  I sincerely doubt it!  I think they're scared of another showing like Richmond.

For folks unable to be in Santa Fe, there will be a sister rally in Las Cruces, NM the same day!
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #21 on: January 27, 2020, 04:27:31 PM »
Remember:
They banned firearms in the gallery, unlike last year, where it was still open carry.
This means you have to leave your firearm in your car while you walk the 15 minutes to the roundhouse or have a friend outside.
They are playing hard ball and running scared.
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« Reply #22 on: January 28, 2020, 09:29:54 PM »
SB5 passed with flying colors along party lines as predicted. :-[
Only 7 people on our side were allowed to speak.
Then at the last minute they moved back the time by one hour to throw a wrench into
the works to the folks who would have been there at the appointed time.

Worst news is the New Mexico State Police will support Red Flag laws. :wb:

See you all Friday at the main rally.

Thanks CaptWa for the updates as he was there.
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Re: JANUARY 31 RALLY SANTA FE-RED FLAG LAWS and others..
« Reply #23 on: January 29, 2020, 08:14:38 AM »
I can't say I'm surprised, but I'm certainly disappointed.

In the plus column, the NM Sheriff's Association and the Albuquerque Police Officer's Association have both officially condemned that resolution. The Dona Ana County Commission defeated a resolution to support that legislation yesterday, also.
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« Reply #24 on: January 29, 2020, 03:08:10 PM »
Appleseed Flags inbound, brother.  Hopefully they'll get there before you leave for Santa Fe!

Appleseed flags arrived!  :snipersmi
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« Reply #25 on: January 30, 2020, 12:26:07 PM »
Any last minute things you guys can think of?
Thank you to you guys in CO and WY that will be joining us!
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« Reply #26 on: January 30, 2020, 02:22:34 PM »
 Heads up - we’ve heard rumors that moms demand action and other trouble makers are going to storm our press conference tomorrow with AP and local news at 9am room 322

We need as many of our people on site at the roundhouse in room 322 as possible BY 8 AM, to fill the room and keep them out.

Please keep this message discreet on your social media.
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« Reply #27 on: January 30, 2020, 05:34:38 PM »
Keep up the fight and may God be with you and your efforts.  Best wishes from Virginia where our efforts were ignored by the Bloomberg bought legislature.  Freedom is dying as we watch.

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« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2020, 05:58:38 PM »
Just letting you know... Wyoming's contingent left Cheyenne about 1345h headed  south.
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« Reply #29 on: January 30, 2020, 06:00:47 PM »
Thanks all!

We are honored to stand with you WY!
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