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Looking into my 1st center fire rifle

Started by Publican, July 27, 2012, 10:03:28 PM

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Publican

July 27, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Not set on it per se but looking into a 7mm-08
Intended uses:
When I start a small hobby farm...critter removal
Hopefully getting back into hunting to provide food...deer sized
Continuing to learn how to shoot a rifle...I am a noob to rifles

Any pros/cons inherent to this caliber that I should be aware of? Thanks in advance.
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

SSG Platz

#1
July 27, 2012, 10:24:40 PM
Price is the only thing that would move me away from 7mm, cheapest stuff I've seen on the web is $0.95 a round. Where 308 is $0.62 cents a round. Cheaper ammo means more range time,as slim puts it.

~PlatzOut~
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

Charles McKinley

#2
July 27, 2012, 10:33:34 PM
A .243 Win. fan myself. If I was looking for a new rifle now it would probably be aa. 308 fir ammo availability. 
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technoronin

#3
July 27, 2012, 10:43:42 PM
For cost it is hard to beat 7.62x54r.  Rifles are around $100 and surplus ammo can be had for less than $0.20/round.  If you're willing to spend more on a rifle, I have a PSL-54 that I rather like shooting.

Yes, I'm cheap.

SSG Platz

#4
July 27, 2012, 11:17:34 PM
Those are not bad, butch then you have to deal with the carosive ammo. I have a nagot that was given to me, my buddie fired maybe 40 rounds though it, I know this because he gave me the ammo can with it. But anyway back to my story, he shot it, didn't think anything about cleaning it, put it in the coener, and a month later gave it to me.  It sat in my corner for a few weeks until I got around to messing with it and might I say when I ran a bore snake down the barrel it came out brown, the whole thing. So now after all he put into this thing adding a straight pull bolt, synthetic stock, and a rail system across the top, all there is to show for it is a rusted piece of crap that sits behind my door.

~PlatzOut~
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

wcmartin1

#5
July 28, 2012, 01:53:05 AM
Hard to beat a .308 or 30-06 for versatility, ammo/reloading component availability, and knock-down power.  :---
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Publican

#6
July 28, 2012, 04:17:24 AM
It is funny that the 308 is getting many thumbs up. It is one choice that the wife and I agreed would have the most ammo available after the world ended. May need to expand my choices.
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

dart67eb

#7
July 28, 2012, 04:52:21 AM
Read 'Boston's Gun Bible' first.
Ignorance may be bliss, but it's not a virtue.

Publican

#8
July 28, 2012, 05:42:29 AM Last Edit: July 28, 2012, 05:51:55 AM by Publican
Lucky I love to read. Will look it up now. Never heard of it. Thanks.

Very interesting review on the book of his you recommended:
http://survivalcache.com/book-review-bostons-gun-bible/?wpmp_tp=0

Not sure if this is full link but others should be able to find the review from it.

Thanks again
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

dragonfly

#9
July 28, 2012, 11:15:35 AM
7mm.-08  http://www.6mmbr.com/7mm284.html
Pro's:
        Accurate, recoil is tolerable, great for deer, its a reloader's dream.
Con's:
        Lack of availability, lack of availability, lack of availability.

7.62x51/308win.  http://www.6mmbr.com/308Win.html
Pros:
       Accurate, recoil is tolerable, great for deer, its a reloader's dream, you can get factory ammo just about anywhere.
Con's:
        Not really a con, but in comparison the bullet is not as efficient as the 7mm.

I would recommend the 308win , especially for your first centerfire.

D-fly
       




Quote from: Publican on July 27, 2012, 10:03:28 PM
Not set on it per se but looking into a 7mm-08
Intended uses:
When I start a small hobby farm...critter removal
Hopefully getting back into hunting to provide food...deer sized
Continuing to learn how to shoot a rifle...I am a noob to rifles

Any pros/cons inherent to this caliber that I should be aware of? Thanks in advance.
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Sly223

#10
July 28, 2012, 11:26:35 AM
I am super surprised that no one has recommended a Garand,30-06 or .308.
For $900,the Rifle and 500rounds CMP.
I have a 7mm mouser,great hunting Rifle,very accurate at100yrds. AMMO limited and pricey!
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Publican

#11
July 28, 2012, 11:38:20 AM
Being a complete noob, I will start some .308 research  :pop:
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

Sly223

#12
July 28, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
.308 or 30-06,
one is slightly more accurate,(I don't shoot well enough to notice)
The other has a slightly longer effective Range(Again I can't see far enough to notice).
BTW, there are many threads on this,and the controversy goes on forever!
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Chainsaw

#13
July 28, 2012, 01:24:01 PM
Well, since Publican is in PA the Garand is out for a hunting rifle.

3006 is a very good option though.  Tons of flexibility with the ammo and WAY more common in most small town PA gun shops.
Tom Scheller

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SSG Platz

#14
July 28, 2012, 02:29:11 PM
I thoughtbyouncould hunt here as long as you used a 5 round mag or something to that effect.

~PlatzOut~
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

EZ3

#15
July 28, 2012, 02:42:10 PM
Quote from: SSG Platz on July 28, 2012, 02:29:11 PM
I thoughtbyouncould hunt here as long as you used a 5 round mag or something to that effect.

~PlatzOut~

Unlawful Firearms & Devices: 1) Automatic and semi-automatic
(autoloading) rifles and handguns; 2) air or gas operated rifles and
handguns.

- from the Hunting and Trapping digest.  Maybe you are thinking of WV?
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SSG Platz

#16
July 28, 2012, 02:44:01 PM
That's good to know, so it has nothing to do with magazines then, as long as its a bolt action it's ok!
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

EZ3

#17
July 28, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Bolt, lever, pump....just no autoloaders.  But riflemen don't need follow-up shots.    :)
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Sly223

#18
July 28, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Here in Fl. the five round mag legally puts you in the woods.
The Mosin is very fun and even cheaper,Rifle $100 900rounds$250
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SSG Platz

#19
July 28, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
My only follow up shots will be in his deer friends that charge over the burm at me because I just took out their buddy.

~PlatzOut~

Quote from: EZ3 on July 28, 2012, 03:48:56 PM
Bolt, lever, pump....just no autoloaders.  But riflemen don't need follow-up shots.    :)
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

Publican

#20
July 30, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
Might have a chance to shoot a .30-06, post 64, Model 70 Winchester and a Rem. 700 in .243 Win.

This is a start. I like to be able to shoot "things" before I decide on anything. I am actually fairly intrigued by the .243

I know, I know...less powerful than the .30-06 and .308. Not as versitile either, but...intrigued none the less :P On the low end for deer and like critters but all that I have read states that with proper shot placement, should be OK.

After all, what am I trying to do here anyway? Become a better Rifleman ~~:)
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

SSG Platz

#21
July 30, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
You are more than welcome to come out to the range and shoot with me any day.

~PlatzOut~
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.

2 clicks low

#22
July 30, 2012, 10:12:28 PM
My first center fire and go to rifle is a Rem 700 BDL in 30.06.
Sweetest shooting rifle out there (contrary opinions will be ignored). 30.06 will drop anything on this continent and ammo is available everywhere in more configurations than you can count. Not to mention CMP ammo for KD at 50 cents a round.

2cl
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yellowhousejake

#23
July 30, 2012, 10:41:10 PM
Quote from: Publican on July 30, 2012, 07:58:12 PM
Might have a chance to shoot a .30-06, post 64, Model 70 Winchester and a Rem. 700 in .243 Win.

This is a start. I like to be able to shoot "things" before I decide on anything. I am actually fairly intrigued by the .243

I know, I know...less powerful than the .30-06 and .308. Not as versitile either, but...intrigued none the less :P On the low end for deer and like critters but all that I have read states that with proper shot placement, should be OK.

After all, what am I trying to do here anyway? Become a better Rifleman ~~:)

Never owned one and I did not sleep in a Holiday Inn last night....

I spent 16 years in West Texas and the 243 is quite popular out there. They use it as an all around rifle for Coyote, Turkey, Deer, Antelope, Mulies, and Prairie Dogs. When I first considered joining the dark side and trying the new fangled smokeless stuff (it ain't smokeless), the 243 was highly recommended as a first rifle. Ammo can be found at gas stations it seems and countless New Mexico Elk have been killed with it.

If you call it a 6.2mm-08 it suddenly sounds sexy and carries the power of Thor's Hammer to game.

YHJ
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Edheler

#24
July 30, 2012, 10:55:53 PM
Quote from: dart67eb on July 28, 2012, 04:52:21 AM
Read 'Boston's Gun Bible' first.

O0 O0 O0

Just remember that he wrote it before any AR-10's really achieved battlefield tested reliability though. (I haven't read the 3rd edition, but suspect he hasn't changed his mind.)

Publican

#25
July 30, 2012, 11:05:05 PM
My copy is due here tomorrow I believe.
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

K98Al

#26
July 31, 2012, 08:12:06 AM
My .02: I shoot 7x57 at deer, elk antelope, whatever. I also feed my son's 8x57 and wife's 6.5x55. All are great rounds, capable of anything I need to do.
Having said that, if I wasn't a reloader with a good supply of components, I wouldn't consider anything BUT a .308!
Recoil less than 30/06, shorter, faster action, wide selection of bullets, everythuing on the market from bargain surplus FMJ to premium-grade match and hunting bullets.
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Publican

#27
August 02, 2012, 10:35:08 PM
After reading through my copy of Boston's, I have changed my mind...again. Leaning toward the 30-06 now. Hmmm, I know it was mentioned somewhere in this thread :slap:

Thanks all for your input.
"I regard giving as necessary to right the balance..." Hu Chung

"Things now every day begin to grow more and more serious" Lord Percy

"Please remember the 2nd Amendment each and every time you vote".....Cork

"I need to actively fight the external threat, so as not to become the internal threat!".....Publican

Trig

#28
August 02, 2012, 11:07:45 PM Last Edit: August 02, 2012, 11:09:42 PM by triggernick
For price and versatility it's tuff to beat the Garand from the CMP (unless you're left handed...loading can be a pain while you are slung up, ask me how I know!).

Being left handed, I went with the box fed modernization in the M1a, so I get to spend 2x as much per rifle  :'(. But I can load them way easier while slung in prone.

If I weren't wrong handed I would have a half dozen Garands (m1)

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#29
August 02, 2012, 11:18:09 PM
Quote from: Publican on August 02, 2012, 10:35:08 PM
After reading through my copy of Boston's, I have changed my mind...again. Leaning toward the 30-06 now. Hmmm, I know it was mentioned somewhere in this thread :slap:

Thanks all for your input.

I think you should shoot a 30-06, and a 308 and see which one you like after you feel the recoil you may change your mind. Also if you plan to hunt with it, a garand is out. I get the new scope mount for my rifle tomorrow, plan on zeroing at 25 Friday, then to the 100 sat. You are welcome to come out if you want, either day. Just send me a PM.

~PlatzOut~
Lord make me fast and accurate. Let my aim be true, and my hands faster than those who would seek to destroy me.  Grant me victory over my foes, and those  that wish to do harm to me and mine. Let not my last thought be if I only had my Gun; and loard if today is truly the day that you take me home, let me die in a pile of empty brass.
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