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Checking your hold structure without the Sling

Started by Justsomedude, April 17, 2012, 11:51:17 AM

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Justsomedude

April 17, 2012, 11:51:17 AM
Sometimes I feel like I am getting some "Torque" in my rifle hold.
Most obvious in Hasty sling Standing as your bodyweight isn't holding your elbows down.

Taking my arm out of the Sling and working on the Structure until it works that way seems to help me find that Neutral hold.
Support elbow under the rifle, Handshake Grip pulling into my shoulder, Chicken Wing, Cheek Weld etc...

Then I put the Sling back on and I now have the Neutral hold with the added benefit of Sling Stability (As opposed to the Sling just trying to hold my Rifle neutral for me).

What should I look out for?
Part of it seems to be that my body might be too square causing the twist in my hold.

GEmanuel

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April 17, 2012, 12:53:52 PM
The torque or twist as you describe it is not unusual with the hasty sling which is attached at the forend and the buttstock. The forend is not an issue, but the buttstock swivel is mounted well below the bore and sights. The strain created by the geometry of the hasty sling is the issue. The solution is to use your trigger hand to apply pressure to counteract this torque.
The hasty sling has its place and needs to be in your bag of tricks, but there are reasons why the loop sling is best, you have just hit upon one of them. If you have time use the loop, if not, don't skip the sling, use the hasty or even the hasty hasty.
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Quote from: Justsomedude on April 17, 2012, 11:51:17 AM
Sometimes I feel like I am getting some "Torque" in my rifle hold.
Most obvious in Hasty sling Standing as your bodyweight isn't holding your elbows down.

Taking my arm out of the Sling and working on the Structure until it works that way seems to help me find that Neutral hold.
Support elbow under the rifle, Handshake Grip pulling into my shoulder, Chicken Wing, Cheek Weld etc...

Then I put the Sling back on and I now have the Neutral hold with the added benefit of Sling Stability (As opposed to the Sling just trying to hold my Rifle neutral for me).

What should I look out for?
Part of it seems to be that my body might be too square causing the twist in my hold.
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Justsomedude

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April 17, 2012, 01:58:04 PM
Makes sense.
I have noted that the Torque on the Hasty sling is much worse if you don't reach your Arm through DEEP when putting it on.
The Sling ends up closer to your elbow and feels bad.

Thanks

aragornelessar86

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April 17, 2012, 03:31:35 PM
As previously mentioned, make sure you put your arm through the sling AS FAR AS POSSIBLE! You want that sling to be jammed right up in your armpit.

Also, make sure you address the target properly. A right hander should be standing at negative 75-90 degrees to the firing line. Meaning you should be staring at the back of the guy to your right's head or trigger hand when you stand up straight and look straight forward.
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April 17, 2012, 06:49:51 PM
Loosen your sling a bit and put your support elbow against your torso (or as close as possible). I used to have this "torque" problem as well. The key is sliding the sling along your support arm to where it needs to be then placing the butt in the pocket so you don't even need your trigger hand at all.

As others have mentioned, make sure your support arm is all the way through. (Keep the rifle up high as you're doing that.) Then after you wrap your support hand back around, make sure you pull down on the buttstock (keeping your support hand gripping the stock - Don't slide it down too!) and you'll feel the sling slide along the back of your support arm. Personally, mine likes to fold over at that point so I take the time to make sure it's smooth against my support hand and along the back of my support arm. There should be no "twist" in the sling along your arm. Once you have it all the way "down" you lift the butt up and out away from you (slightly) then place it high in your pocket.

If you still have some "torque" then physically manipulate the position of the buttstock in your pocket when you place it in there. Put it in perpendicular with the ground and fully "vertical." If done correctly, it'll "sit" in the pocket perfectly without you touching it with your trigger hand at all.

It's all about your sling when you're torquing. Change your sling/sling position and you'll get it sorted out.
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