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New Mexico Scoutseed
« on: March 14, 2011, 02:04:28 AM »
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #1 on: March 14, 2011, 03:18:12 AM »
As a former boyscout it really warms my heart to see you all working with them!

Excellent work as always!  O0

You've got to share with us how you got them on board! I've been trying to convince the troops up here to do the same with no luck so far.
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #2 on: March 14, 2011, 07:22:47 AM »
Great job Team New Mexico!

Innovative thinking, applied to meet BSA requirements.

Curious, what was the other group of 10 doing while the first group was on the line?

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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #3 on: March 14, 2011, 09:30:43 AM »
Dan,

My thanks to you, BF, JH, LR, Al and Bob.  Like HH, I've been trying to get Scouts here in TX on Board ... with some success. Your report here will help.  The smiles on the Scouts' faces tell it all.

Well Written.  Well Done.   O0

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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #4 on: March 14, 2011, 11:47:39 AM »
I will get an internal up soon.

The other group of non-shooting Scouts (that were rotated the latter half of the day) were with the other Troop leaders.
They learn gun care and cleaning. Also parts of the rifle and cartridge and how they all relate to the firing process.
They are taught simple firearm development from flintlocks to semi-autos.
They learn more safety related items, local gun laws and hunting safety/laws and related stuff.
It is a very complete package for these young guys.
Like us, it is all volunteer and the knowledge/passion of the Troop leaders really shine bright.

The BSA has a Merit Badge Series called Rifle Shooting.
Copies are available at used books stores and you may be able to find this info online.
For you guys setting up Scoutseeds, the book will give insight on how to adapt.

Their leaders are very willing to work with us as we share a common mission.
It was a very rewarding and fulfilling event for all of us to work with such attentive young men.
 
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #5 on: March 14, 2011, 12:44:54 PM »
Good job crew!

"You've got to share with us how you got them on board! I've been trying to convince the troops up here to do the same with no luck so far."

TG, see if you can get those leaders to contact other councils about their experience. Like Devnull, I've had zero luck getting our local council motivated to do anything. That seems to be par for the course on any endevor in this area however no matter what group it is or it's a failure of leadership on my part.  ::) ...O.L.
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #6 on: March 14, 2011, 02:36:10 PM »
OL,
I'll share with you my experience here at the BSA Council in Corpus Christi.

Marksmanship, whether Bow and Arrow, Rifle, Shotgun, or Black Powder, is one of many hats that the Council Leadership and other Scouters wear.  Needless to say they are passionate about their mission.  However, with so many irons in the fire it is really up to "me" to gitter done. 

Additionally, related to the BSA Rifle Merit Badge (you can also get copies at your local scout council), the BSA is and has been for many many years tied to the NRA which, as you know is a great program.  While we naturally believe the Appleseed program is the best of its kind, it is precisely because Appleseed is different, because our mission is different, that our program should appeal to BSA.  We don't need to list all these right now but, ...

BSA has no way really to approve an Appleseed event as an official BSA function.  They have told me that it is fine if individual troops wanted to do an Appleseed as a non BSA function.  I have placed Appleseed literature in the bulletin racks at the local council office (with permission) and have had a few scouts come out to several events here in Texas. 

So, I'm thinking a different approach is needed.  Appleseed can teach parts of Rifle Marksmanship and Citizenship in the Nation and, probably other merit badges. 

I bet we can figure it out ... how to market AS to BSA.
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #7 on: March 14, 2011, 04:27:12 PM »
"BSA has no way really to approve an Appleseed event as an official BSA function."

Yep, but when we're willing to adapt to their needs, that takes away the arguement/excuse. I used to do the archery portions at day camps. Worked great and did so for many years. Always had crappy equipment, spent many hours fixing and replacing. Had to adapt to not enough time to follow the "book" they wrote. Bottom line is I'll put in as much effort as they will. I'm sure it all depends on local leadership but they sure make easy things difficult....O.L. 
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #8 on: March 14, 2011, 04:42:27 PM »
I'm hopeful we can adapt to their needs and by the sounds of it BF and TG found a way!  O0

I recently had to join Del Norte so we would have access to the range for the five shoots were having here this year and I met two people who are scout leaders. Naturally I started 7th stepping the instant I entered the room (Hey, Appleseed is a passion! It just seeps out of my pours!) and they were both very interested in finding a way to do it. One thing they told me was I needed my NRA instructor credentials and that was why they were there. The prospect of us teaching them the scout way and still incorporating the history really lit these guys up! I haven't been able to verify that that the NRA instructor certification is required as of yet but I'm working on it. (I have done the NRA RSO class and have a pistol inst class on the 9-10th of april. I'm still trying to find a rifle inst class so hopefully if they do require that up here I'll at least have removed it as a road block!)

Talk about teaching the future leaders of America! It really warms my heart to see all those kiddos on the line. Again, GREAT job!
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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #9 on: March 14, 2011, 05:05:57 PM »
As a not so long ago Scout, I really wish I'd been introduced to Appleseed back then. I had my Rifle merit badge, and shot at both Camp Alexander here in Colorado and Philmont Scout Ranch in New Mexico, but never had any instruction like Appleseed gives. I'll have to look into getting involved with the Pikes Peak Council here in Colorado Springs to see if I could get something like this going here.

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Re: New Mexico Scoutseed
« Reply #10 on: March 14, 2011, 08:29:30 PM »
TaosGlock,

Thank you for the detailed answers, sounds like an elegant solution.

I have heard from other areas of the country that troops put on scout/parent weekends with AS.  A neat double score that brings the parent into the AS presentation as well as the scout and troop leadership.

HH