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The 'lowly' '22' rimfire........

Started by KodyJaret, March 09, 2008, 04:04:01 AM

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wcmartin1

#1
March 09, 2008, 10:54:41 AM
Impressive.
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Groundhog

#2
March 09, 2008, 01:51:26 PM
And in a good strong wind, almost silent!
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Snake45

#3
March 09, 2008, 11:48:16 PM
I've been saying for a while now that a squad of 3-6 competent shooters, armed with sighted 10/22s and a stack of hi-cap mags, can pretty much OWN anything/everything they can see for a city block in every direction. Maybe two blocks.
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Cache

#4
March 10, 2008, 12:04:58 AM
Okay, that .22 experiment on that turkey is pretty amazing. :o
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deolexrex

#5
March 10, 2008, 01:43:22 PM
I think I'm guilty of underestimating the "power" of the .22 rimfire.
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Old Dog

#6
March 10, 2008, 02:12:26 PM
In pistols, not LTRs, the OSS, CIA and the Mafia have used the .22 LR for many years to quietly and quickly take out their targets at close range. 

And while it may penetrate pretty well on a turkey (birds have hollow brittle bones that shatter more easily than mammal bones) keep in mind that on larger bones it will often "bounce" off, or richochet, at a different path (which can make it more damaging if the bone it bounces off of sends it back through the area containing vital organs).

Don't forget the reports from RBC#2 at Ramseur, Feb. 2007 where a .22 was used to knockdown popups at 200 yds. fairly easy and I think they even got one or two at 300 yds.  I know Ken was getting shots on the D targets at 300 yds. during the full distance AQT.

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Wade

#7
March 10, 2008, 06:28:33 PM
I used to hunt rabbits alot when I lived in NV and 100 yard kills where easy with a .22 and the bullets went right thure the rabbits.

Yep the humble .22 is more then most ppl think , but I think it is that way with most rifles   ppl think they will do more then they can or think they will do less then they can .

As told to me  "you can would with a .50 bmg  or kill with a .22   shot placement shot placement"
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Spatulaman

#8
March 10, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
 I don't yet have any first hand experience with it, but I would think that the 60gr loading by Aguila would be the first choice for this extreme range work. I know that some of the "heavy" 22LR loadings, such as the Winchester Silhouette 45 gr., show much better performance at range.

didactic

#9
March 10, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Anybody have any experience with those?  I would think that longer (60-grain) bullet might not stabilize well in a one-turn in 16" barrel.
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Buckshot

#10
March 10, 2008, 10:36:06 PM
I have not been shooting it, but guys at our club shoot a Mini-Palma.

.22s at 200 yards.

They report the best accuracy with the same ammo that the smallbore shooters use at normal .22 (50 & 100 yd.) ranges, standard velocity target loads.

They don't have to drop down through the transonic layer like the high speed rounds do.

They report the heavier bullets not stabilizing properly in most rifles.

I will keep gathering data when they get back to it this year.

Buckshot

SGTCap

#11
March 10, 2008, 10:56:57 PM
Quote from: Spatulaman on March 10, 2008, 08:40:10 PM
I don't yet have any first hand experience with it, but I would think that the 60gr loading by Aguila would be the first choice for this extreme range work. I know that some of the "heavy" 22LR loadings, such as the Winchester Silhouette 45 gr., show much better performance at range.

Quote from: didactic on March 10, 2008, 10:28:01 PM
Anybody have any experience with those?  I would think that longer (60-grain) bullet might not stabilize well in a one-turn in 16" barrel.

I've played with them quite a and they are garbage.  They dont stabalize in any barrlel very well including the TacSol that was built with them in mind.  Good concept, pisspoor execution.  It need a slightly longer case and slightly less bullet.  Unfortunately that would have ment tooling up for new brass instead of using existing 22 sgort casings/man. equipment. 

Long story short if you see them on the shelf at the local gunstore leave them there.  Spend you money on more conventional ammo.

You dont have to take my word on this BTW.  Run a search on rimfire central to verify.

Dirty Bill

#12
January 08, 2009, 02:38:33 AM
Well,all the poachers that I know of use the .22 lr for deer. They either shoot them in the head,or in the lungs. Dead deer....I'm not saying poaching is a good thing...people do it though. #)
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The Machine

#13
January 08, 2009, 03:41:36 AM
Quote"Yep the humble .22 is more then most ppl think"
Quote"shot placement shot placement"
I can qualify this through personal experience...99% of all deer that I ever killed was with .22 LR--on my own property or friends--and most kills were at 100 yds., +/-. I killed a couple with a .22 magnum too. I originally had to do this out of necessity, because I never had the money for the bigger toys and ammo.

And shot placement is critical as DB stated...
QuoteThey either shoot them in the head,or in the lungs.

Bottom line...I'm a believer, and many folks underestimate how lethal a .22 can be in the right hands.  <:)
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SamD

#14
January 08, 2009, 10:41:19 AM
QuoteI've played with them quite a and they are garbage.  They dont stabalize in any barrlel very well including the TacSol that was built with them in mind.  Good concept, pisspoor execution.  It need a slightly longer case and slightly less bullet.  Unfortunately that would have ment tooling up for new brass instead of using existing 22 sgort casings/man. equipment.

I have purpose built several rifles for the Aguila SSS. It can be made to perform very well using the right gun.
The TacSol is neither "tactical" nor is it a solution, it's joke.
Build a proper rifle for it adn it's a winner. 

Sam

BaldDragn

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January 24, 2009, 03:49:45 AM Last Edit: January 24, 2009, 09:30:50 AM by BaldDragn
Quote from: Dirty Bill on January 08, 2009, 02:38:33 AM
Well,all the poachers that I know of use the .22 lr for deer. They either shoot them in the head,or in the lungs. Dead deer....I'm not saying poaching is a good thing...people do it though. #)

+1

Growing up as part of a family that had little respect for the law and even less money, poaching was one way to put meat on the table. Most rounds will take down most any game they were after but the 22lr was the round of choice to make sure you could get the meat back home without getting caught. So there was lots of rabbit, coon, opossum (yech) and deer (everybody's favorite) while I was growing up. And while the law was not a big influence on my uncles, leaving an animal to suffer was absolutely unacceptable, and the 22 never let them down. Of course it helped that they had all worked for the local tallow plant culling old farm animals and had plenty of experience taking down all sorts of hoofed animals by headshots using a 22, so they knew where to place the bullet for a single shot kill.

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biathlon

#16
January 29, 2009, 12:15:53 PM
My Ruger 10/22 target with the factory bull barrel likes the Wolf match target ammo best.

Uhlan

#17
March 23, 2009, 02:44:20 AM
As an aside, my Walther P-22 LOVES the Aguila SSS 60gr. rounds. 350 rds and no malfs.
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