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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #30 on: December 03, 2010, 01:01:07 AM »
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #31 on: December 03, 2010, 01:09:49 AM »
They're the cheap part for me too, but 10 of them add up.

Also how about 3/8 inch holes instead of 5/8.  5/8 hardware is double the price and overkill, no?

For me the two bolts are the cheap part of this project.

I believe the larger heads will be a bit more resiliant when they are attacked with large caliber rifles.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #32 on: December 03, 2010, 01:20:09 AM »
The holes are actually 9/16" with the intention of using 1/2" hardware. I actually have a suggestion here for the group to consider.....switch to square holes. If we switch to square holes you can use carriage bolts. Carriage bolts have proven to last longer as their rounded head deflects some, where hex heads absorb. Yeah, the hardware may cost an extra buck or two per target, but it is better than walking downrange to fix a down target! Just something to consider. As I have said before, hole changes will not effect the price. We just need to find a common pattern for everyone.

Also, if I am counting correctly.....Are we at 38?!?!?

One more and we can rock this out! :sos:

Now is probably a good time to discuss collection of funds? Unless you guys have a better idea, probably easiest is to have Aromatic give me an official list and then you guys can call/email in to arrange payments for your individual targets? If we could get everything paid up this weekend that will let me get going on Monday.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #33 on: December 03, 2010, 01:24:58 AM »
They're the cheap part for me too, but 10 of them add up.

Also how about 3/8 inch holes instead of 5/8.  5/8 hardware is double the price and overkill, no?

For me the two bolts are the cheap part of this project.

I believe the larger heads will be a bit more resiliant when they are attacked with large caliber rifles.

You guys do buy from a place that sells bulk, right? Like a Ranch and Home supply or something of that nature? Should be less than $2 a pound. Last time I bought hardware to take to a show they were on sale and I walked out with hardware sets for about 30 targets for about $5. ^:)^

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #34 on: December 03, 2010, 01:34:48 AM »
I had planned on using square shouldered carriage bolts even if it means modifying the mounting holes myself, so yes I support your proposal.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #35 on: December 03, 2010, 01:59:05 AM »
I vote for square holes for carriage bolts.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #36 on: December 03, 2010, 07:25:38 AM »
Alright put me down for one.  Can't have the great Commonwealth of Pennsylvania unrepresented.  Just don't tell my wife.


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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #37 on: December 03, 2010, 08:56:59 AM »
List updated.  We are now at 39 targets.  Thank you.

Square holes are fine with me as well.  I will ask Kimball to update the drawing.

I will send out a PM this evening with all of the details.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #38 on: December 03, 2010, 10:02:14 AM »
Square holes are not fine with me, the sharp corner creates a stress riser and if/when the target cracks it will crack out from that corner and go to the closest edge.  A round hole does not give an easy position to start a crack.  It will still crack there but not as fast as a square hole.  With a 9/16 hole you can still use a 1/2 carriage bolt, might have to flatten the corners a little to get it to seat flush.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #39 on: December 03, 2010, 11:02:39 AM »
I'm with Milt (duc-dog).  Preference for round holes, 9/16" as previously stated.  I too, plan to use 1/2" bolts which are what you need for this kind of weight and energy it is going to absorb from battle rifles.

Finding Grade 8 Carriage bolts is a real booger.  I've tried.  Much easier to just get grade 8 standard bolts.

But either way is not a deal breaker for me.  AROMATIC, you're driving the train.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #40 on: December 03, 2010, 11:56:51 AM »
I dont really care either way.  How about we stick with the 9/16" round holes.  Those who want to use carriage bolts can still ues them in the round holes.

I will take silence for agreement.  So if you have an issue please post.  Sorry for the back and forth...


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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #41 on: December 03, 2010, 10:36:09 PM »
How hard is grade 8? Will it take a hit from 30-06 ?

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #42 on: December 03, 2010, 10:43:05 PM »
How hard is grade 8? Will it take a hit from 30-06 ?



I have been unable to find any hardness ratings of Grade 8. While they have an alloy composition, they are designed for increased strength. If I find any technical data I will toss it up in here.


Grade 8 bolts have a core rockwell hardness rating on the C scale of 35 or so. This translates into roughly a 331 score for Brinell, which is what AR plate is rated on. Grade 8 bolts are rated between T1 and AR400. On paper, any centerfire round will damage it, as well as some pistol depending on distance.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #43 on: December 04, 2010, 12:20:18 AM »
Just a thought, you might want to keep the group buy open until next weekend to give as many instructors as possible a chance to participate.

Most websites when they run a group buy have it open for 2-4 weeks.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #44 on: December 04, 2010, 10:23:42 AM »
The group buy was for exactly 39 targets.  We have reached the 39 targets.  I can start a waiting list in case people back out.

Bobcat has the CAD file so instructors can contact him directly for their targets.

Anyone wanting to get on the waiting list, please PM me.  I think this is the best price you will see for a target like this.
« Last Edit: December 05, 2010, 10:18:25 PM by Aromatic »

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2010, 12:53:56 PM »
As Aromatic pointed out, this always had a target number of 39. I had three remnants here that fit 8, 13, and 18 pieces. Combination of those numbers are how we came to the price breaks that we had.

There can be more targets made, we just felt that since this buy reached it's intended goal, we should wrap it up. We can always start another buy!

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2010, 05:12:47 PM »
Paid

Let's get paid up guys.  I want to shoot these things!
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2010, 05:17:38 PM »
Paid

Let's get paid up guys.  I want to shoot these things!

Paid yesterday.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #48 on: December 04, 2010, 10:41:35 PM »
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Let's get paid up guys.  I want to shoot these things!

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #49 on: December 04, 2010, 11:10:04 PM »
I have payments for 15 of the 39 targets as of this post.

On a side note, if anyone would like me to send them some business cards, shoot me a PM and I will make sure I get some your way.  O0

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #50 on: December 05, 2010, 12:09:42 PM »
Paid today for two targets via Paypal.  $260.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #51 on: December 07, 2010, 01:41:51 PM »
As of this post payments have been made, or arranged, on 25 of the 39 targets.

I don't really want to out the guys here who haven't paid &)....I may send a reminder PM here later today. @)

Thanks again!
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #52 on: December 07, 2010, 05:20:02 PM »
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #53 on: December 07, 2010, 05:35:26 PM »
For the record, we paid over the weekend.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #54 on: December 10, 2010, 01:45:54 PM »
I have payments or been contacted to make arrangements from the following:

wcmartin1 x2
M1D x1
Aromatic x2
TBE x1
crak x5
Cooper x3
Polygunner x1
Nmmi9100 x2
Big Papa x1
smpcpeak x1
Jerry Hall x2
Ewald x1
Drag-it x1
Chainsaw x1
ID_Hezekiah x2
Pennys Dad x2
TaosGlock x 1
devnull x2
duc-dog x2

Still need to hear from:

eaglescouter / Northern CA - 4
EEL / IL - 1
TheEditor / IL - 1

Please contact me ASAP to arrange payment so we can get these going.

Thanks again to everyone for the participation!
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #55 on: December 10, 2010, 02:20:08 PM »
I have already paid. 12-7-10  I am Tommy N. in the paid list
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #56 on: December 14, 2010, 10:01:58 PM »
I heard from eaglescouter this weekend.

George63 has offered to run the targets from IN to IL for that group. Since EEL and TheEditor are both IL guys, he has offered to cover their targets and collect locally. Thanks!! :bow:

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #57 on: December 14, 2010, 11:22:48 PM »
For those who sent me zip codes, I sent out shipping prices today.

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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #58 on: December 15, 2010, 12:32:35 AM »
Thanks for all your help you guys. I will send my shipping $ out in the next mail.
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Re: AR500 Steel D-Targets
« Reply #59 on: December 15, 2010, 01:00:35 PM »
Check for shipping went out today.

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