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Reversed and Remanded
« on: June 28, 2010, 11:26:14 AM »
Well now it is official. In McDonald v Chicago the Supreme court has overturned Chicago's handgun ban.

A few months ago I heard Fred say he didn't want to fill the 9/11 300 shoot with "bums off Michigan Avenue." I didn't say anything, but I disagree. Then again when I think of bums on Michigan avenue I have a different image. I do not think of unwashed panders. I think of prime and proper shoppers, tourists, and commodity traders walking blindly though life while our nation needs their help.

Yet for the downsides of our state we do have a fine core of Americans. Some of whom are amongst us here. Where it not for them, today would not have happened. When I think of all those people walking down the Magnificent Mile of Michigan Avenue right now, I see in my mind thousands of Americans who need Appleseed.

In many ways when we promote, we preach to the choir. Yet today should teach us there is opportunity and need where we least expect it.

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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #1 on: June 28, 2010, 11:34:43 AM »
A few months ago I heard Fred say he didn't want to fill the 9/11 300 shoot with "bums off Michigan Avenue."

    Huh? What did I say, now? Or, what am I alleged to have said, now?

    Not to appear contradictory, but I don't recall ever dissing anyone who might want to come to an Appleseed. The welcome mat is out to all.

    Say, was this the night we all had a little to much to drink? :)

    PS: Having lived a considerable time in Chicago, I have mostly fond memories of that most formative learning experience - it helped make me the great guy I am today... :)
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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2010, 11:36:05 AM »
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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2010, 01:18:10 PM »
This is a welcome decision but we will have to see the fine print to see what restrictions this decision will allow.  Having taught Constitutional Law I can also tell you that I do not get a warm and fuzzy feeling that the decision was 5-4.  The history of the Supreme Court is replete with case reversals because of changes in the sitting justices.  All this legal gloom and despair aside, this is one to celebrate!
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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2010, 01:40:24 PM »
I'm reading the full decision now. So far they are being very explicit that *all* the amendments apply to the states. Owning a gun to defend your house, person, and property is a fundamental right, and as handguns are by far the weapon of choice for personal protection banning them is contrary to core of 2nd amendment. I'm waiting for the "but" though it sounds good so far.

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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2010, 02:13:32 PM »
This is a welcome decision but we will have to see the fine print to see what restrictions this decision will allow.  Having taught Constitutional Law I can also tell you that I do not get a warm and fuzzy feeling that the decision was 5-4.  The history of the Supreme Court is replete with case reversals because of changes in the sitting justices.  All this legal gloom and despair aside, this is one to celebrate!
I am with you, celebration seems to be in order ..:.........BUT, 5-4 is disturbing. ???  This means that 4 members basically overturned the 2nd amendment.  #) This is the only downside to the ruling.  Can't wait to see Daley ranting at 1:00 pm today. !@#) :D
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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2010, 02:26:34 PM »
This is just another example of if you put 9 lawyer in a room 4 of them can't read very simple english.

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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2010, 03:12:02 PM »
A few months ago I heard Fred say he didn't want to fill the 9/11 300 shoot with "bums off Michigan Avenue."

    Huh? What did I say, now? Or, what am I alleged to have said, now?

    Not to appear contradictory, but I don't recall ever dissing anyone who might want to come to an Appleseed. The welcome mat is out to all.

    Say, was this the night we all had a little to much to drink? :)

    PS: Having lived a considerable time in Chicago, I have mostly fond memories of that most formative learning experience - it helped make me the great guy I am today... :)

To much to drink :o why wasn't I invited :( .
Doesn't sound like anything Fred would say. Willingness to learn and a teachable attitude. All American's, even if we got to to it one bum at a time. Appleseed is for all.
I would even welcome Elton John as my guest to an Appleseed  %) .

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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2010, 03:42:39 PM »
That "too much to drink" was at a "non-AS" event, right?

Wasn't the Heller decision also 5-4? Now we have two justices appointed by our current Pres and it's likely there'll be a third. I'm guessing any and all of these decisions are going to be close like this. I don't think we should read too much into it, just press on with our mission.

Get the "bums" to the non-alcoholic events. All bums, all events. And then we can celebrate!

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« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2010, 03:59:15 PM »
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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2010, 04:39:54 PM »
This is a welcome decision but we will have to see the fine print to see what restrictions this decision will allow.  Having taught Constitutional Law I can also tell you that I do not get a warm and fuzzy feeling that the decision was 5-4.  The history of the Supreme Court is replete with case reversals because of changes in the sitting justices.  All this legal gloom and despair aside, this is one to celebrate!


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Re: Reversed and Remanded
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2010, 05:55:46 PM »
Got through the first 50 pages yesterday only 164 more to go. I happen to have gone to law school so I will read the whole thing but as far a I did go the decision is a good one for Second Amendment rights but yes it leaves room for regulation. Problem is that the type of regulation will be fought out a battle at a time I am sure.  Thse court did give some guidance in the Heller case and restated it in this case. So we will see.