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NY State patch proposal

Started by phantomtypist, January 07, 2024, 05:20:32 AM

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phantomtypist

January 07, 2024, 05:20:32 AM
I'm contemplating getting some made based on the 3rd NY Regiment.  See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3rd_New_York_Regiment

Their flag:



During my research, I came across this note: "The flag has been saved and is found in the Albany Institute of History and Art. It is the only regimental flag of New York that has been preserved to the present."

Cannibal

#1
May 06, 2024, 09:08:27 PM
A NY patch would be awesome.
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thomas Jefferson

Rifleman - October 7, 2023 - Dunbarton, NH
Pistoleer™ - August 30, 2025 - Candia, NH

phantomtypist

#2
May 06, 2024, 09:17:01 PM
Quote from: Cannibal on May 06, 2024, 09:08:27 PMA NY patch would be awesome.

Why thank you, but from what I was told something less Revolutionary War inspired (i.e. unrelated) was already decided upon by the powers that be.

phantomtypist

#3
May 06, 2024, 09:23:56 PM
Quote from: Cannibal on May 06, 2024, 09:08:27 PMA NY patch would be awesome.

Actually, it's really weird you replied to this post.  When I first posted my idea the post was deleted (now I assume just hidden) and immediately texted that my opinion wasn't needed on the matter.  I'm surprised to see the post was resurrected.

T. WOLF

#4
May 15, 2024, 09:07:26 PM Last Edit: May 15, 2024, 09:21:31 PM by T. WOLF
You guys are welcome/encouraged to work on design concepts for the NY State Patch.  We were a ways off from getting any design approved by Appleseed, but I'll share the design concept I had started working on below.  You are free to move in a different direction with it.  We will make this a collective effort.




That design was loosely inspired by our state patch here in Michigan:






In Michigan, that patch gets awarded to IIT's upon successful completion of their PC3, and to volunteers who travel in from out of state to support our events.  We will follow a similar approach in NY.  For our dedicated Blue Hats, we can award it based on the number of events worked.

There is quite a bit of effort and planning required to get through the design, approval, and manufacturing stages for an Appleseed state patch - but I'll offer whatever support I can along the way, and we have support/guidance from Mrs. Smith as well.  Feel free to post your design ideas in this thread.
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780

Mrs. Smith

#5
May 16, 2024, 08:38:55 AM
Happy to help if needed, guys.

In Texas and NM we also award them upon successful completion of an IBC. Something to kick around  :)
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Cannibal

#6
May 16, 2024, 01:29:35 PM
Any reason why the patch doesn't tie into NY's Revolutionary War history?

I'm not really good at graphic design but what are the general parameters for a state patch? What is appropriate) inappropriate?

Thanks!
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thomas Jefferson

Rifleman - October 7, 2023 - Dunbarton, NH
Pistoleer™ - August 30, 2025 - Candia, NH

T. WOLF

#7
May 17, 2024, 07:01:55 PM
Quote from: Cannibal on May 16, 2024, 01:29:35 PMAny reason why the patch doesn't tie into NY's Revolutionary War history?

It certainly can!  I was drawn to the torch because it's probably the most iconic symbol of both Liberty and New York state.  I think any symbolism that draws from Appleseed's tradition of Liberty, Marksmanship, and History would be appropriate, and ideally we could connect that symbolism to NY in a meaningful way.  I felt like Liberty's torch would be 'universally recognized', but I'm not opposed to revolutionary war iconography :) Feel free to brainstorm ideas
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780

eaglescouter

#8
May 17, 2024, 08:29:26 PM
How about something incorporating the shape of Fort Stanwix?
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T. WOLF

#9
May 23, 2024, 01:16:44 AM
Or Ticonderoga!  Or the ruins at Crown Point! Tough to choose just one fort in NY, but Ticonderoga became pretty important in the weeks immediately following April 19, 1775.

I'm intrigued by the idea of the patch itself being in the shape of a fort, but I'm sure a custom patch shape would require significant investment. 
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780

eaglescouter

#10
May 24, 2024, 01:21:46 AM
Most embroidered patches are priced by:
Height x width to determine square inches
Percent of embroidery
Up to 7 colors with no extra charge

The fort shape could be enclosed by the overall shape, embroidered wording can go into the added area.
Old Guy:  Do it long enough and you get really good at it.

Rifleman:  Sacramento:  Four Ought Nine
Full Distance:  Red Bluff:  What year was that?
Pistoleer™:  Hat Creek:  Three Twenty One

Make yourselves good scouts and good rifle shots in order to protect the women and children of your country if it should ever become necessary.
--Lord Baden-Powell
Scouting for Boys (1908)

LadyRimfire

#11
May 24, 2024, 04:02:36 PM
I think that would be awesome to have a NYS patch! There are some great ideas here. The one for Ft. Ticonderoga is a good one. I was curious what might already be out there and came up with these. The one look very similar to the first proposal. The second maybe could be inspiration for a Ticonderoga patch?



Nikki
NRA RSO
Battle Road- 9/2/23
Rifleman - Dunbarton, NH 10/20/24
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~Thomas Paine
"Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
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LadyRimfire

#12
May 24, 2024, 04:48:13 PM Last Edit: May 24, 2024, 04:51:15 PM by LadyRimfire
Please excuse my crappy art work, but what about something like this? Please feel free to edit/change the design concept.  ;D

In hindsight, maybe replace where it says LIBERTY, and put Ft. Ticonderoga there? Just throwing out some ideas.
Nikki
NRA RSO
Battle Road- 9/2/23
Rifleman - Dunbarton, NH 10/20/24
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
~Thomas Paine
"Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
~John Adams

LadyRimfire

#13
October 21, 2024, 02:26:33 PM
I spoke to Stacy in NH this weekend. She is the graphic designer who help NH with their patch.

She said she would be willing to help NY with the design of our patch. :)

What would the consences be on reaching out to her to formally ask for her assistance?
Nikki
NRA RSO
Battle Road- 9/2/23
Rifleman - Dunbarton, NH 10/20/24
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
~Thomas Paine
"Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
~John Adams

T. WOLF

#14
October 21, 2024, 07:23:45 PM
We can seek some input from her. Sent you a PM.
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780

ConstantCompanion

#15
August 28, 2025, 06:36:20 PM
Hi  will this design work ?  I can modify it if necessary. Let me know.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." ~ Thomas Jefferson

LadyRimfire

#16
August 31, 2025, 10:42:11 PM
Quote from: ConstantCompanion on August 28, 2025, 06:36:20 PMHi  will this design work ?  I can modify it if necessary. Let me know.

Wow! Great job, Vince!  :F

I would propose one change and that would be to change the boot to the Liberty Tourch or a silouette of Ft. Ticonderoga.

Otherwise, very nice!
Nikki
NRA RSO
Battle Road- 9/2/23
Rifleman - Dunbarton, NH 10/20/24
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
~Thomas Paine
"Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
~John Adams

Cannibal

#17
September 01, 2025, 09:37:14 AM
I think that design is perfect.

If the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga I think this is a winner.

If we decide to go with this, how do we proceed getting them made?
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thomas Jefferson

Rifleman - October 7, 2023 - Dunbarton, NH
Pistoleer™ - August 30, 2025 - Candia, NH

LadyRimfire

#18
September 01, 2025, 10:25:40 AM
Quote from: Cannibal on September 01, 2025, 09:37:14 AMI think that design is perfect.

If the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga I think this is a winner.

If we decide to go with this, how do we proceed getting them made?

I admit I didn't get the boot reference and had to look it up. After reading about the monument presumably to Benedict Arnold and the Battle of Saratoga, I have to agree with Matt. It's perfect as is.   :)

Nikki
NRA RSO
Battle Road- 9/2/23
Rifleman - Dunbarton, NH 10/20/24
"Arms discourage and keep the invader and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as property... Horrid mischief would ensue were the law-abiding deprived of the use of them."
~Thomas Paine
"Those people who are not governed by GOD will be ruled by tyrants."
~William Penn
"Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
~John Adams

ConstantCompanion

#19
September 01, 2025, 04:07:13 PM

Quote from: Cannibal on September 01, 2025, 09:37:14 AMI think that design is perfect.

If the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga I think this is a winner.

If we decide to go with this, how do we proceed getting them made?

Hi, yes, the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga Battlefield.
"A strong body makes the mind strong. As to the species of exercises, I advise the gun. While this gives moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to the mind. Games played with the ball, and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be your constant companion of your walks." ~ Thomas Jefferson

Cannibal

#20
September 01, 2025, 06:19:12 PM
Quote from: ConstantCompanion on September 01, 2025, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: Cannibal on September 01, 2025, 09:37:14 AMI think that design is perfect.

If the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga I think this is a winner.

If we decide to go with this, how do we proceed getting them made?

Hi, yes, the boot is a reference to the Boot monument at Saratoga Battlefield.

I think you nailed it!
"The Tree of Liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants" - Thomas Jefferson

Rifleman - October 7, 2023 - Dunbarton, NH
Pistoleer™ - August 30, 2025 - Candia, NH

T. WOLF

#21
September 01, 2025, 07:58:56 PM
I like this - will seek input from the rest of the volunteer cadre and see if we can get a patch done over the off-season. Thanks Vince!

QuoteIf we decide to go with this, how do we proceed getting them made?
Multiple resources available through Appleseed based on efforts made in other states, so I'll leverage those channels after we get consensus from the volunteer cadre and then approval from national. There's a few threads I need to dig up.


"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780

scottyoh

#22
September 30, 2025, 11:26:27 AM
I  like to shoot and stay rifle qualified. Appleseed is a very good way to do this. I also like to collect patches. This patch is a winner! Some states offer a special patch to those who clear a Redcoat target at an Appleseed training event. I'd love to travel to New York to attend an Appleseed event at which I might refresh my rifleman skills and have an opportunity to earn your the patch. How can I know if you have proceeded with the New York patch? I'll need a few months lead time for planning travel and signing up for your event. Thanks.

T. WOLF

#23
September 30, 2025, 12:45:42 PM
Quote from: scottyoh on September 30, 2025, 11:26:27 AMI  like to shoot and stay rifle qualified. Appleseed is a very good way to do this. I also like to collect patches. This patch is a winner! Some states offer a special patch to those who clear a Redcoat target at an Appleseed training event. I'd love to travel to New York to attend an Appleseed event at which I might refresh my rifleman skills and have an opportunity to earn your the patch. How can I know if you have proceeded with the New York patch? I'll need a few months lead time for planning travel and signing up for your event. Thanks.

Hi Scotty!  The original intent for the NY patch was to be presented to Project Appleseed volunteers who have dedicated significant time or travel supporting events in the state of New York. This is the approach in other states such as Michigan, and New Hampshire, while some other states award their patches to shooters who are not volunteers for the program. It does seem like we have some demand from shooters to have a dedicated NY patch they can collect by attending events in the state, so we'll need to consider our approach for this in the off-season. Perhaps we'll end up with two patches here - one that is presented to our dedicated volunteers, and another that is eligible to Rifleman who participate in events in New York. I will follow up in this thread and send you a PM once we have our approach figured out for this, but it would be great to have you visit us in New York next season!!  Are you based out of Ohio?
"There is nothing which I dread so much as a division of the republic into two great parties, each arranged under its leaders, and concerting measures in opposition to each other." ~John Adams 1780
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