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Started by SamD, August 08, 2009, 12:20:11 PM

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Nickle

#30
August 12, 2009, 09:57:27 AM
Quote from: MCKNBRD on August 12, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
Yeah, we had a customer come in and ask us to order 2 Montados for him; thats how I learned about our 'chain' at Davidson's.  Believe it or not, Ruger didn't change their line processes for the Montado on their own...it is a Davidson's exclusive, commissioned by Davidson's so they could have a 'leg up' on all the other Vaquero distributors.

Hence my trying to leverage contacts with Davidson's, as they are well known for special editions...

We'll see where it goes.

Byrdman

The conversation I had with a Ruger VP amounted to the same thing.

They will NOT make up something on their own, but will for a districutor, if the distributor buys enough of them.

Davidson's would be a good place to start on this.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

Redchrome

#31
August 12, 2009, 12:35:13 PM
I firmly agree that talking to distributors is the place to start. They have special runs made up all the time. Here is the message I sent to Davidson's (comments@galleryofguns.com). I will see if I can send messages to other distributors.

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To whom it may concern,

I am an NRA certified firearms instructor and assistant instructor for the Appleseed Project. (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/).
The Appleseed Project teaches American history, firearms safety, and rifle marksmanship. This is typically done with inexpensive semi-automatic .22 rifles at 25-meter ranges.

The rifles recommended are usually Ruger 10/22s or Marlin 795s with some moderate improvements. The main improvements are:
-- Tech-Sights for a much better sight picture and easy & repeatable adjustment. http://www.tech-sights.com/
-- A GI web sling (requiring 1 1/4" swivels, preferably not attached to a barrelband) which can be 'looped' for steadiness while shooting.
-- At least 4 10-round magazines (I suggest the clear ones in the case of the Ruger rifle).

If you could have Ruger or Marlin make up an order of rifles like this, I am sure that the thousands of Appleseed participants would buy them up. I myself would buy up several, use them regularly in courses of instruction, and tell people where I got them.

Sincerely,
Carl Soderstrom

Redchrome

#32
August 12, 2009, 01:46:03 PM
Here are the distributors whom I have contacted. No harm in other people contacting them as well. If they hear a clamor from several people, that may get them inclined to order a thousand 10/22s or 795s with tech-sights (or whatever the minimum order is).


Zanders Sporting Goods
http://gzanders.com/
sales-support@gzanders.com

Camfour
http://www.camfour.com/
http://www.camfour.com/salesstaff.htm
They only seem to want to hear from FFL holders... somewhat understandable.

Lipsey's
http://www.lipseys.com/
caillier@lipseys.com -- National Sales Manager

Lew Horton
http://www.lewhorton.com/
questions@lewhorton.com

SGC USA
https://sgcusa.com/
info@sgcusa.com

Valor Corp
http://www.valorcorp.com
sales@valorcorp.com

AcuSport
http://www.acusport.com/AcuSportWeb/ContactUs.asp
nesales@acusport.com

RSR Group
http://www.rsrgroup.com
salesny@rsrgroup.com

Sports South
http://www.internetguncatalog.com/
incoming.sales@sportssouthinc.com

Ellett Brothers
http://www.ellettbrothers.com/ContactUs.asp

glocker21

#33
August 13, 2009, 07:04:57 PM
I used the comments/requests email from Rugers website
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MCKNBRD

#34
August 13, 2009, 11:59:29 PM
OK, I just realized that I haven't posted my Powerpoint presentation that I sent to Davidson's... ++)

See attached.  If you want to use it, feel free to do so.  Just hold off sending it to another distributor until I hear something from Davidson's, one way or another.  I've got a contact at Sports South, too, so I'd like to give them 2nd rights if Davidson's balks.

I just hope they bite...

Byrdman
Its better to sweat in peace than bleed in war.

Guns and Ammo...between them, they get all the money my wife lets me have!

henschman

#35
August 17, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
getting manufacturers or distributors to produce special editions would probably not be that effective, as most of the people who would buy them are those who already know about appleseed and want to buy a rifle to shoot with us... plus, it is a lot to ask of mfg./dist.

However, just getting them to include a brochure on Appleseed and maybe a parts recipe for making an LTR is a great idea.  This would reach everyone who buys one of the rifles (even the basic model), and it would be very do-able for either manufacturers or distributors, due to the low cost and ease of just printing up flyers and inserting them in the box.  Propose it to them like you propose anything to anybody -- by telling them what's in it for them (getting more people interested in shooting, promoting a discipline in which their product is a popular choice, plus the low cost/burden on their end).  I'll have to talk to some stores in my area (Bass Pro, Academy, etc.) and bring the idea up with them.  It would be especially tempting for them if we would print up the fliers oursleves... all they would have to do is stick them in the box.
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-- Thomas Jefferson to Isaac H. Tiffany, 1819

funfaler

#36
August 17, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
Quote from: MCKNBRD on August 13, 2009, 11:59:29 PM
OK, I just realized that I haven't posted my Powerpoint presentation that I sent to Davidson's... ++)

See attached.  If you want to use it, feel free to do so.  Just hold off sending it to another distributor until I hear something from Davidson's, one way or another.  I've got a contact at Sports South, too, so I'd like to give them 2nd rights if Davidson's balks.

I just hope they bite...

Byrdman

OK, Byrdman! 

This is some very fine work and some good information!

This approach, your PowerPoint presentation and the resulting tangents which will result from your effort on this PP presentation need their own thread and topic, perhaps several.

Might I ask that you post your PP presentation and some suggested ideas on how to expand the use of this one and others similar for the Appleseed program on the WL1 board?    I set up a board just for Power Point Presentations, your's can be the the first  O0  http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0

What say you?

The dips in your couch will go away if you get up and take the Seventh Step!

funfaler

#37
August 17, 2009, 05:45:14 PM
Quote from: henschman on August 17, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
getting manufacturers or distributors to produce special editions would probably not be that effective, as most of the people who would buy them are those who already know about appleseed and want to buy a rifle to shoot with us... plus, it is a lot to ask of mfg./dist.

However, just getting them to include a brochure on Appleseed and maybe a parts recipe for making an LTR is a great idea.  This would reach everyone who buys one of the rifles (even the basic model), and it would be very do-able for either manufacturers or distributors, due to the low cost and ease of just printing up flyers and inserting them in the box.  Propose it to them like you propose anything to anybody -- by telling them what's in it for them (getting more people interested in shooting, promoting a discipline in which their product is a popular choice, plus the low cost/burden on their end).  I'll have to talk to some stores in my area (Bass Pro, Academy, etc.) and bring the idea up with them.  It would be especially tempting for them if we would print up the fliers oursleves... all they would have to do is stick them in the box.

Sir, you are on to a very important topic here!   O0

If we can pull this off, not just with rifle manufacturers, but with many different distributors and companies, it would be a huge boost to the Appleseed effort.   In fact, could easily eclipse the current "biggest promotional effort" we have, which is word of mouth.

However, we have NO ORGANIZED EFFORT to try to make this happen.   In fact, we have no effort what so ever, outside of the occasional mention of it by folks like yourself.     Much like them, this post of yours will fade away in the mess of this forum, never to be addressed again, and a month or so down the road, someone will make a similar suggestion......only to have it fade away, like the other hundred before it.....

What can we do to keep this from happening?

First, this idea needs to get off of this thread, and on to it's own thread.   But where?

We have Two new "Working Levels"   1 and 2.   WL1 would be an ideal place for folks to discuss and implement this idea.   WL2 would be an ideal place for the leader (leaders?) of this effort to plan a strategy and to coordinate the actual contact with the distributors and companies. 

We may not want just anyone making the contact with the companies.   Perhaps those who understand the Appleseed Program and can answer detailed questions on the spot.   Perhaps those who have been involved in the program for a while and can draw on some of their experiences.   Perhaps someone on the IIT3 level or above, who is willing to try to see this effort through to become an actual effort within the program?   ::) ;)

Perhaps on a board such as this one http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=246.0 on the WL1 level, we can start to see this great idea and effort become a reality here at Appleseed, and we can draw some fellow Appleseeders into this effort? 

Let me know if you wish to develop this further  ^-^

The dips in your couch will go away if you get up and take the Seventh Step!

colycat

#38
August 17, 2009, 10:51:31 PM
I loved the PP presentation and FF's idea of how to make this a great PR idea for AS.  However, even though I have been the SB at  9 events this year so far, and did sign up to help promote AS, as a WL 1,  the link FF posted is off limits to me. 

Houston, we have a problem!
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value."   T Paine

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MCKNBRD

#39
August 17, 2009, 11:08:17 PM
Quote from: funfaler on August 17, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
OK, Byrdman! 

This is some very fine work and some good information!

This approach, your PowerPoint presentation and the resulting tangents which will result from your effort on this PP presentation need their own thread and topic, perhaps several.

Might I ask that you post your PP presentation and some suggested ideas on how to expand the use of this one and others similar for the Appleseed program on the WL1 board?    I set up a board just for Power Point Presentations, your's can be the the first  O0  http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0

What say you?
I say I'd love to do it.  But, the realities of life have dictated that I need to focus my productive time elsewhere for a little while.  My wife just gave birth to our second son, and 95% of my time will be spent supporting her, him, and our oldest, whether that means cleaning up around the house, changing diapers, anything else they need, and/or work to pay for it all.

I'll gladly build any presentation ya'll need, even if its just based on an outline of ideas.  I don't have access to the board you're referencing, and I don't think I'll be bumping up to an IIT3 any time soon, so just have someone PM me or email me at mckngbrd@carolina.rr.com and I'll sit in the background and do stuff when I can.  Appleseed is great, but it pales in comparison to our new arrival and the awesome woman that brought him into our lives.  They have the priority right now.

Byrdman
Its better to sweat in peace than bleed in war.

Guns and Ammo...between them, they get all the money my wife lets me have!

ripersnifle

#40
September 14, 2009, 05:49:40 PM
WHEN our program doubles enough times, we'll have a Dedicated Appleseed Distributor!
Our numbers will be so vast, they will have no choice but to listen to us.

Little Ruger Trivia:

Had an interview last winter with Ruger in New Hampshire.
That's where they make all the rifles.
Their production numbers blew me away.
THEY ASSEMBLE AND SHIP 1100 10/22s EVERY DAY !!!
I got the plant tour and talked shop with a few folks in management.
There was a lengthy bio in my resume about Appleseed and our extensive use of 10/22s.
They seemed to be only half-listening, though.

Keep up the good work, folks!

sk

Proctor 408

Determined451

#41
October 17, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
I have talked with the President, and CEO of Ruger, as well as the Sales Manager for this area...I gave them a good deal of literature, plus a disk of pictures from our shoot in Puryer...They will produce a rifle for us...without changing the trigger group or bolt...BUT we have to find someone to sell them...They need someone to buy 1000 rifles before they can be produced...this should be one of their distributors...

Honestly, I was not too impressed with their reactions...but money does talk..

Send your mail to Milt Pittman, Sales Manager...It might help..I have made this a personal project of mine..It might take years to get them to listen, but it can be done...D-451
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desertrat144

#42
October 17, 2009, 08:08:28 PM
Quote from: Determined451 on October 17, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
I have talked with the President, and CEO of Ruger, as well as the Sales Manager for this area....They will produce a rifle for us...BUT we have to find someone to sell them...They need someone to buy 1000 rifles before they can be produced...but money does talk..
Have they indicated what the rifle would cost/unit in a 1,000 rifle run?  Would they consider release through individual FFL holders, rather than distributors?  Appleseed should have enough FFLs, and interested buyers in the 50 states to make up the 1,000 minimum order, why not approach it that way?

If there is enough interest to get a 1,500 or 2,000 rifle run, what are the price breaks at these increments?

Bottom line aside from price is, will they deal with individual FFLs rather than distributors on a garunteed run?

desertrat144
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