Project Appleseed

Natchez Shooters Supply has PMC Bronze .223, 55 gr FMJ-BT available at 7.49 per 20 if you buy multible boxes.  That's 37.45 cents per round, which with the availablilty (or lack thereof) of many other .223 brands and sources, seems pretty reasonable. 

Anyone have any bad experiences with this stuff, or can point me to a better deal right now?

The Editor

Definitely a good price.  Does that include shipping?  sales tax?
what's the website?

i've shot about 80 rds of the PMC you refer to with noooo problems.  bought it in Oregon for ~$8.50 per box/20.
shot well.

Question for the Appleseed Family of Riflemen:
MY AR HAS A 1/7 GROOVE MATCH/TARGET BARREL.  DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE SHOOTING 75 GR AMMO.  COMMENTS?  IS 75 GR TOO HEAVY FOR THAT GROOVE RATIO?  I have shot maybe 100 rds of 75 gr and I get tighter groups. 

Thanks,
POP

A 75gn pill going out of a 1/7 barrel is almost perfect.  You should see a nice moa difference between 55,62 and 75.

The only way to find out if your barrel likes it is to put some down range.

Go kill some black squares...

Close on the small stuff.

It's not the bullet weight, it's the bullet LENGTH that matters with twist. Velocity is a factor, for sure. We'll assume .223 velocities here.

Optimum twist for the 52 gr boattail is 1:14 to 1:15.

Twist for the 55 gr boattail is between 1:12 to 1:14, with 1:14 being VERY marginal. Cold weather and it will keyhole.

Mk 262 is a long range cartridge, and, I think you'll find them to be match (hollow point) not penetrator bullets in them.

Shooting Hornady 75gr BTHP out of my M4gery 16" mid length  1/7 twist.  very accurate (20" plates at 500yds)
Also shot Blackhills w/68gr very well, anything lighter gives a very loose group.

quote ;  "Question for the Appleseed Family of Riflemen:
MY AR HAS A 1/7 GROOVE MATCH/TARGET BARREL.  DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY EXPERIENCE SHOOTING 75 GR AMMO.  COMMENTS?  IS 75 GR TOO HEAVY FOR THAT GROOVE RATIO?  I have shot maybe 100 rds of 75 gr and I get tighter groups. "

Hey 76Resp,,,

What you are referring to is rate of twist,,,as in turns per inches of barrel,,,i.e.; one turn (revolution) per (in your case) seven inches of barrel. Considered on the 'fast side, best w/ heavier bullets.

"Definitely a good price.  Does that include shipping?  sales tax?
what's the website?"

www.natchezss.com

They are located in Tennessee.  As an Illinois(ucks) resident, I paid no sales tax.  Ordered Saturday, delivered Wednesday.  Price quoted above does not include shipping. 

With shipping, 500 rounds would be about 41 cents a round.  2000 rounds would be 39.2 cents per round, shipped from TN to IL.  YMMV. 

looks good; I'll have to get to the range and find out if it is good...

I saw some of this same ammo in a gunshop today, going for 10.75 per box of 20.  And that was cheaper than the commercial chain Dick's Sporting Goods, which had it recently for 11 dollars and something per 20. 

TE

Thanks guys for all the info.

think i'll go to the range tomorrow and shoot squares, a lotta squares.

POP

If you want to know the twist rate of your barrel -

1.  make sure your rifle is unloaded, then check again to make sure
2.  lock the bolt back and insert the cleaning rod from the muzzle to the chamber
3.  put a patch in the tip of the rod
4.  pull just enough to get the patch tight in the barrel above the chamber
5.  mark the top of the rod right at the muzzle with a magic marker
6.  slowly pull the patch towards the muzzle while watching for the magic marker spot to come back to the top
7.  when it does mark the rod at the muzzle with the marker again right on top of the rod
8.  finish pulling the patch out and measure the distance between the two marks
9.  that one turn in (the number of inches you measure with the tape measure)

And then try different bullets in your rifle to see how they work.  Not all rifles have "read the rules" and some don't follow them.