Project Appleseed

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgkrQREQeBY

In the comments the shooter acknowledged the squib and says he saw it keyhole the target. 

Still, if you ever wanted to see what we warn about, watch the string of fire starting at 2:38 in.

That's not a squib, that's a hang fire.
Very important distinction.
Squib, "pop, no kick" projectile probably still in the barrel, gun goes boom if you pull the trigger again.
Hang fire, delayed ignition, but projectile clears the barrel.
That video definitely showed a delayed ignition, but the gun recoiled and acted like a powered charge, after a few seconds.
This is why we hold for 30 seconds after a "click, no bang."

Counting the number of "BANGS", he only fired 5 shots. He had a Misfire (click no bang) on shot 5 and pulled the trigger again after a short "why didn't it go bang" moment.

So it was a Misfire, not a Squib or a Hang fire.

Stay safe,
Messer

Now here's a vid on squibs - and the firearm exploding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fi5xbBrCoNc

Quote from: Timothy_D on March 11, 2024, 03:25:16 AMThat's not a squib, that's a hang fire.
Very important distinction.
Squib, "pop, no kick" projectile probably still in the barrel, gun goes boom if you pull the trigger again.
Hang fire, delayed ignition, but projectile clears the barrel.
That video definitely showed a delayed ignition, but the gun recoiled and acted like a powered charge, after a few seconds.
This is why we hold for 30 seconds after a "click, no bang."

Were you watching the Python video?  Wasn't a hang fire...also not a squib.  Was a misfire.  He pressed the trigger again (sixth time) after the "pop", it fired with no blockage in the barrel.   He absolutely should have stopped firing after the "pop", waited and then checked for an obstruction.

Interesting discussion.

By our textbook definitions, this isn't any of the three types ammo malfunctions, though I would personally call it a squib, and I would hope every student would treat it like a squib.

Not a misfire, because the cartridge did ignite and expand. You can see the smoke after he fires the fifth round (2:51 in the video).
Not a hangfire, because the ignition is immediate.
Not a textbook squib, because the round exited the barrel (he states this in the video description).

So it was a severely under-powered cartridge (perhaps little or no powder, just primer), but our manuals define a squib as the bullet not exiting the barrel.

Appleseed Academy Rifle Textbook page 28
Rifle Instructor Manual pages 4 & 31

Quote from: SteelThunder on March 11, 2024, 03:12:48 PM

Quote from: Timothy_D on March 11, 2024, 03:25:16 AMThat's not a squib, that's a hang fire.
Very important distinction.
Squib, "pop, no kick" projectile probably still in the barrel, gun goes boom if you pull the trigger again.
Hang fire, delayed ignition, but projectile clears the barrel.
That video definitely showed a delayed ignition, but the gun recoiled and acted like a powered charge, after a few seconds.
This is why we hold for 30 seconds after a "click, no bang."

Were you watching the Python video?  Wasn't a hang fire...also not a squib.  Was a misfire.  He pressed the trigger again (sixth time) after the "pop", it fired with no blockage in the barrel.   He absolutely should have stopped firing after the "pop", waited and then checked for an obstruction.

You're correct, I didn't notice the 6th trigger pull.

Interesting how we can all see the same thing and take it in differently, isn't it! 

And scuzzy, wow, there's sure a lot of pain in that video. 

Quote from: Leadlined on March 11, 2024, 10:22:34 PMInteresting how we can all see the same thing and take it in differently, isn't it! 

And scuzzy, wow, there's sure a lot of pain in that video. 

Even among friends, no one can agree on the internet   But yes, lots of pain in that video