Project Appleseed

I was checking out the Highpower Prone video linked in https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=39984.0 (actual video is at https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0UE8RDSyrJY)  when I noticed the shooter is at the back of the mat and comes forward with the rifle as he establishes his position. At the 4 shoots I've been to, we all started up front to keep the muzzle forward of the shooting line and all the shooters' parts behind it.  More like a burpee.  I suppose you would not want to be at the front if everyone else was at the back, and vice versa. I think a High Power match is going to be a different crowd and muzzle control is more of a given than you can assume at an Appleseed shoot.

Ken Roxburgh obviously knows his stuff. I'm going to work on going prone with those details, just from the front. Anybody have a good source for efficiently establishing that position? I still remember an instructor getting down with lethal efficiency but it was so smooth and fast I couldn't tell you what happened. Apart from a lot of core exercises that I haven't done.

Good stuff....and if you have only been exposed to Appleseed's rules, HP at first can seem a bit different.

There are no incessant safety checks of rifles on the line in NRA HP.   The only rule, is that after a COF (or when told to do so) you must have an ECI inserted into the rifle.  That is pretty much it.  The block officers (similar to RSO's) do check to ensure that the line is clear, but they are mainly looking at the scorekeepers for that verification.  We police our own for the most part.

Only other rules are the NRA safety rules. 

The line is surely "Wavy" in rapids, likely especially so in prone. 

Standing videos can bring out the range police as well (LOL).  When we shoot standing, the muzzle typically goes from 270 degrees to almost 10 degrees when establishing the NPOA and getting ready to take the shot.  This is also legal. 

NRA HP, we also do loaded transitions (which I prefer), it is for example:
With bolts closed on empty chambers load 2 rounds

When they stand, the magazine with 2 rounds is inserted, but competitor is not allowed to actually load the rifle until they transition.  Actually, loaded transitions are only done in CMP matches.  NRA Matches they do not require you to transition (stand prior to rapid fire).

Only things that may prevent that are local range rules.  Some ranges do not want the muzzle breaking the arc over the target.

Hearing protection is mandatory, eyepro is typically optional.  Again, the local range rules may dictate a higher safety standard, and may require eyepro.

HP for the most part is a very safe crowd, however we also get a new competitor from time to time.  There are ways to learn the "rules":

1.  Attend a SAFS match (Small Arms Firing School)
2.  Watch a big match
3.  Find a buddy that is in the sport

The scorekeeper/verifier in NRA HP is also a safety observer.  So if I am scoring for a competitor, I am also ensuring he/she is installing the ECI after a COF, etc etc,...

R/
Chris

Here is a link to a post on the Prone position I posted.
https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=51627.0
You may find some info there that can help you.

R/
Chris

At Appleseed where we're dealing with shooters of various abilities I keep the muzzles over the firing line no matter what.

This means everyone starts at the front of the mat when standing for stages 1-3 and moves backwards as they lower themselves for stages 2 & 3.

If folks start at the back of the mat that means some will be fast and some will be slow and if a slow shooter stumbles or flubs the transition they'll end up pointing the muzzle at the back of another shooter's head who was fast getting down.

It's not worth whatever imaginary speed gain there is in starting at the back of the mat.  I know for myself I can do stage 2 & 3 each in about 35 -
40 seconds and still score Rifleman with no gamer "cheats" like dropping the first mag after firing one round. 

Much more time is wasted fiddle farting around with clunky reloads and inefficient movements than where one stands on the mat.

As navy says the HP crowd is a whole 'nother monkey of shooter skill with different rules.