Project Appleseed

I found this the other day. Maybe helpful.

Mini 30 7.62x39 18.5 inch

First ball park test. 135 gr SMK 1680

23.5gr ~ 2150 fps
24.5gr ~ 2250 fps
25.5gr ~ 2350 fps +

25.5 not sure I think crony made error but 2 where 2471fps 3 where 2350.fps I think 2350 correct. Looking at all the reload data.


Take it for what worth.

So round easily good for 600 yards.

Using JBM Ballistics, here's your dope for the 24.5 gr load.  Windage is MOA/10 mph FV x-wind

Range   Drop   Windage     Velocity
(yd)        (MOA)   (MOA)     (ft/s)
0            ***              ***    2257.4
100      0             1.2           2042.1
200        -3.3             2.6           1835.1
300      -7.7             4.2           1634
400        -13             5.9           1445.6
500      -19.4               8           1268.3

Quote from: proneshooter on February 14, 2015, 05:40:30 PM
Using JBM Ballistics, here's your dope for the 24.5 gr load.  Windage is MOA/10 mph FV x-wind

Range   Drop   Windage     Velocity
(yd)        (MOA)   (MOA)     (ft/s)
0            ***              ***    2257.4
100      0             1.2           2042.1
200        -3.3             2.6           1835.1
300      -7.7             4.2           1634
400        -13             5.9           1445.6
500      -19.4               8           1268.3

Thanks.

I'll have post if I get my long range with it.

Quote from: viperrt1 on January 19, 2015, 01:00:21 AM

Quote from: slim on January 18, 2015, 11:56:25 PM
I use factory Wolf or Tula 123gr for long range.

I have had issue with FTF with tula and wolf so ya no go there.

That's a fairly common issue with Mini-30's...  A lot of times a hammer spring upgrade will do the trick, otherwise you could research other tips and fixes if you want to be able to shoot it reliably.  Then again, since you're a reloader you can make your own cost-effective reliable ammo.

I've been thinking, for awhile now that a Mini-14/30 would be far superior to a .22lr when talking LTR's.

Quote from: AFTERMATH on February 14, 2015, 09:59:43 PM

Quote from: viperrt1 on January 19, 2015, 01:00:21 AM

Quote from: slim on January 18, 2015, 11:56:25 PM
I use factory Wolf or Tula 123gr for long range.

I have had issue with FTF with tula and wolf so ya no go there.

That's a fairly common issue with Mini-30's...  A lot of times a hammer spring upgrade will do the trick, otherwise you could research other tips and fixes if you want to be able to shoot it reliably.  Then again, since you're a reloader you can make your own cost-effective reliable ammo.

I've been thinking, for awhile now that a Mini-14/30 would be far superior to a .22lr when talking LTR's.

It's black box wolf. Aka tula ammo. I don't think it's really mini issue. If you look at FTF the primers are seated to deep.

So if the tolareances are that bad I wonder what else the tolareances are off too 
But ya I reload so no issue. Also bear ammo and wolf military classic worked fine.

Quote from: viperrt1 on February 14, 2015, 10:27:15 PM

Quote from: AFTERMATH on February 14, 2015, 09:59:43 PM

Quote from: viperrt1 on January 19, 2015, 01:00:21 AM

Quote from: slim on January 18, 2015, 11:56:25 PM
I use factory Wolf or Tula 123gr for long range.

I have had issue with FTF with tula and wolf so ya no go there.

That's a fairly common issue with Mini-30's...  A lot of times a hammer spring upgrade will do the trick, otherwise you could research other tips and fixes if you want to be able to shoot it reliably.  Then again, since you're a reloader you can make your own cost-effective reliable ammo.

I've been thinking, for awhile now that a Mini-14/30 would be far superior to a .22lr when talking LTR's.

It's black box wolf. Aka tula ammo. I don't think it's really mini issue. If you look at FTF the primers are seated to deep.

So if the tolareances are that bad I wonder what else the tolareances are off too 
But ya I reload so no issue. Also bear ammo and wolf military classic worked fine.

Was gonna type an Ivan Chesnokov inspired rant, but it got too silly. You're not gonna get close tolerance out of russian ammo. I've weighed out silver bear and had greater than 5 grain differences between individual cartridges (so which component is off is the question?). Also those are some hard primers so there's your ftf

Quote from: proneshooter on February 14, 2015, 05:40:30 PM
Using JBM Ballistics, here's your dope for the 24.5 gr load.  Windage is MOA/10 mph FV x-wind

Range   Drop   Windage     Velocity
(yd)        (MOA)   (MOA)     (ft/s)
0            ***              ***    2257.4
100      0             1.2           2042.1
200        -3.3             2.6           1835.1
300      -7.7             4.2           1634
400        -13             5.9           1445.6
500      -19.4               8           1268.3

Nice! That's enough vel for a kd for sure.

QuoteIt's black box wolf. Aka tula ammo.

Maybe I missed something here, if so, forgive me.  But Wolf is not the same as Tula.  Wolf is excellent ammo, and Wolf supports Appleseed.  They provided us free ammo at an Atterbury KD to the tune of 14K rounds.  No ammo failures of any kind in that round count.  I shot two LD RM scores with it and so did several others.  It is the only ammo manufacturer that I know of with a full refund (including shipping) if you are not satisfied.  Tula is junk.  Don't get them confused.

UL

Quote from: Unbridled Liberty on February 14, 2015, 11:22:17 PM

QuoteIt's black box wolf. Aka tula ammo.

Maybe I missed something here, if so, forgive me.  But Wolf is not the same as Tula.  Wolf is excellent ammo, and Wolf supports Appleseed.  They provided us free ammo at an Atterbury KD to the tune of 14K rounds.  No ammo failures of any kind in that round count.  I shot two LD RM scores with it and so did several others.  It is the only ammo manufacturer that I know of with a full refund (including shipping) if you are not satisfied.  Tula is junk.  Don't get them confused.

UL

For past 5 years on 7.62mmx39 wolf black box is tula. And military classic is brown bear.
Black box is head stamp wolf.
But military classic is stamp brunal which is bear.

On 7.62x54mm wolf gold was ppu and stamped so.

This may not be case for all caliber.

Quote from: 509gman on February 14, 2015, 10:42:18 PM

Quote from: proneshooter on February 14, 2015, 05:40:30 PM
Using JBM Ballistics, here's your dope for the 24.5 gr load.  Windage is MOA/10 mph FV x-wind

Range   Drop   Windage     Velocity
(yd)        (MOA)   (MOA)     (ft/s)
0            ***              ***    2257.4
100      0             1.2           2042.1
200        -3.3             2.6           1835.1
300      -7.7             4.2           1634
400        -13             5.9           1445.6
500      -19.4               8           1268.3

Nice! That's enough vel for a kd for sure.

For sure, as long as round above 1200 fps
Groups should be good if I can predict wind. Now that will be the issue