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10/22 Liberty Training Rifles -- Good for Appleseed AND for your budget!

Started by Grin Reaper, May 28, 2007, 01:04:16 AM

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artandscience

#450
May 25, 2008, 03:06:07 AM
Wondering if anyone has a good idea for how to stop my scope mount screws from loosening on my 10/22.

I'm getting ready for an Appleseed in Yakima on June 7, and so I took it out today to sight in with a new scope.
I found after about 100rds that the small screws securing it to the receiver had loosened a fair bit.

I've read somewhere that purple locktite (222) is the way to go. Anyone used it to good effect?

Alternatively, I've got no problems epoxying the base to the receiver - just to make sure. Has anyone
done this and how well will it work with the relatively smooth surfaces of receiver and mount?

Any advice welcome..

S.
"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."

Benjamin Franklin

Nishnabotna

#451
May 25, 2008, 08:32:09 AM
A small amount of loktite is common and works well.
I just torqued the hell out of the screws on mine.

didactic

#452
May 25, 2008, 10:22:48 AM
I've had good success with blue (medium strength) Loctite.  Kitchen-table gunsmith's alternative is clear finger nail polish.
"If not us, who?  If not now, when?"  Ronald W. Reagan

artandscience

#453
May 25, 2008, 11:22:23 AM
I should mention that the receiver is aluminum and the screws steel, so I didn't want to torque
the heck out of it for fear of stripping the holes..
"The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either."

Benjamin Franklin

deolexrex

#454
May 25, 2008, 10:17:07 PM
Two big thumbs up to the Loctite recommendation. I used it on the screw for my Tech-SIGHTS and it has held wonderfully.
DeoLexRex

The history of Christianity is a series of victories, described and disguised as disasters. Beginning with the cross... -- Herb Titus

Iron at 500 - AQT Targets

muxtek

#455
May 26, 2008, 04:21:18 PM
I finished my LTR build and I've been breaking in my new Butler Creek hot lips mags and mag loader. My front (tech) sight fell off at the range last week so I'll be applying the loctite I bought. I had constant FTE with Federal Bulk (walmart). Switched to CCI mini mags and FTE's ceased. How to best lube the bolt/action to cycle the 10/22 with lower velocity ammo? Also, hollowpoints cut a nicer more visible hole in paper than round nose bullets. The CCI mini mags were unusually waxy, I'm not sure I want all that wax build-up in my magazines and loader. I want to try the Remington Golden bullets but could not find them at walmart. I'll try Gander next week. I also want to find some skateboard tape to apply to my furniture stock plastic butt plate, (I decided to forego a new stock for now). The ruger stock lines my eye up with the iron sights so I decided to keep it simple at my first Appleseed and focus more on the software. I want to guard against feeding problems so I can concentrate on marksmanship.

deolexrex

#456
May 26, 2008, 05:35:33 PM
I really like the CCI Standard Velocity!
DeoLexRex

The history of Christianity is a series of victories, described and disguised as disasters. Beginning with the cross... -- Herb Titus

Iron at 500 - AQT Targets

didactic

#457
May 26, 2008, 05:45:44 PM
I like to lube the bolt, firing pin, inside of receiver, etc. with either Break-free clp or Corrosion-X.  Spray some on, wipe off all you can, and it's good to go.  This assumes an unpainted or paint removed receiver interior.  Most will then cycle standard velocity .22 LR's if nothing's binding on a rough burr of metal or bent part somewhere.

SOME rifles group standard velocity a little better, some don't.

YMMV, or others may have better ideas.
"If not us, who?  If not now, when?"  Ronald W. Reagan

Snake45

#458
May 26, 2008, 08:37:16 PM
Quote from: muxtek on May 26, 2008, 04:21:18 PMI had constant FTE with Federal Bulk (walmart). Switched to CCI mini mags and FTE's ceased. How to best lube the bolt/action to cycle the 10/22 with lower velocity ammo?
RE that, read my last couple posts in this thread (page 3): http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=371.40.

Sounds like you were working with a bad lot of the Fed Bulks, as I had a couple boxes of the stuff do exactly the same thing this weekend. Bad lots of this stuff used to be rare but of the Fed Bulks I've bought lately, they seem to be the rule, not the exception. A GOOD lot of that ammo, that's performing the way it should, should run your 10/22 as reliably as any .22 ammo available at any price. Take note of the lot number on the box, and DON'T buy any more of that lot number!
Buddy said "Coach, I wanna score goals"
Coach said "Buddy, remember your role:
The fast guys get paid to shoot and to score
Protect them, Buddy, that's what you're here for
Protection, that's what you're here for."

--Warren Zevon, "Hit Somebody," My Ride's Here, 2002 Artemis Records

muxtek

#459
May 27, 2008, 10:10:06 AM
Thanks for the info guys. I'll try it. Snake, thanks for the link. I liked what you wrote about the various sounds the ammo makes. That was so true. I'll try another lot and see what happens. I can always use it in my single six if it's questionable.

Regarding lubrication, I have a can of the Rem oil spray. Would that be better than nothing?

Old Dog

#460
May 27, 2008, 10:35:12 AM
rem oil is what I use on my 10/22, my AR and my M1A as well as my M1 trigger groups.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

didactic

#461
May 27, 2008, 10:36:20 AM
That oughta answer fine.  Main rule:  Spray some in, wipe out as much as you can, put it back together.  What you can't wipe out is the right amount to leave.  You don't want it dripping with lubricant, that just holds dust and powder residue, gunks up faster and causes problems sooner.

On semi-auto pistols I often use some of that high-tech grease (several brands) that comes in the little syringes, put some on the slide rails and other high-stress points of contact.  Spread it around with a q-tip, remove excess.  Might not do any good, just makes me feel better.  I've never done this with a 10/22, shouldn't hurt if you want to, to slick up the bolt's fore-and-aft travel.
"If not us, who?  If not now, when?"  Ronald W. Reagan

Old Dog

#462
May 27, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
I have the blued 10/22 and I use carb cleaner or brake cleaner to blow all the old lube, powder residue and carbon out of the trigger assembly and the receiver.  Then when it dries out good I clean the barrel with Hoppes and relube with the rem oil.  I remove the action/barrel from the stock before cleaning.

I also use the carb or brake cleaner on my CAR, my M1A and my M1 and then relube with rem oil.  No issues yet.  I do my best to keep the carb cleaner off the CARs plastic stock and fore end.  No use taking a chance on melting it since carb cleaner will melt some plastics.

If you go the carb/brake cleaner route remember to get oil back on all the metal surfaces as ALL OIL will be stripped off and they will rust if you don't get a protective film of oil back on them.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

fepowered

#463
May 27, 2008, 05:44:55 PM
My LTR...    No problems getting a 25M zero with the as-supplied front sight post...   Zero problems this weekend at the Appleseed with the Wally World bulk packaged Federal Match rounds...  I use CLP exclusively for cleaning and lubing.....


"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Burke

#464
May 27, 2008, 10:16:23 PM
I have a 10/22 with the shorter barrel, 18.5 in, I think, and I'm thinking of making a LTR out of it.  Am I at a serious handicap with the shorter barrel? 

Snake45

#465
May 27, 2008, 11:18:33 PM
Quote from: Burke on May 27, 2008, 10:16:23 PM
I have a 10/22 with the shorter barrel, 18.5 in, I think, and I'm thinking of making a LTR out of it.  Am I at a serious handicap with the shorter barrel? 
Not as far as accuracy, velocity, reliability, or any other objective factor. Only in things like sight radius, "feel," and so forth. Your barrel will work for you just fine.
Buddy said "Coach, I wanna score goals"
Coach said "Buddy, remember your role:
The fast guys get paid to shoot and to score
Protect them, Buddy, that's what you're here for
Protection, that's what you're here for."

--Warren Zevon, "Hit Somebody," My Ride's Here, 2002 Artemis Records

Snake45

#466
May 28, 2008, 01:21:12 PM
Here's another way to build an LTR. I like this one so much, I'm going to build myself one just like it:

http://rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1877608&posted=1#post1877608
Buddy said "Coach, I wanna score goals"
Coach said "Buddy, remember your role:
The fast guys get paid to shoot and to score
Protect them, Buddy, that's what you're here for
Protection, that's what you're here for."

--Warren Zevon, "Hit Somebody," My Ride's Here, 2002 Artemis Records

wcmartin1

#467
May 28, 2008, 09:31:06 PM Last Edit: May 28, 2008, 09:43:07 PM by wcmartin1
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

colycat

#468
May 28, 2008, 09:47:08 PM
22 rim fire,

Try Fiocchi, just the regular stuff.  Very Consistent, Allways.

Coly
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value."   T Paine

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muxtek

#469
May 29, 2008, 01:11:32 AM Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 12:39:21 PM by muxtek
Quote from: colycat on May 28, 2008, 09:47:08 PM
22 rim fire,

Try Fiocchi, just the regular stuff.  Very Consistent, Allways.

Coly
I'll check it out. I bought the Remington Golden bullets. Still having FTE's in my LTR. I tried some Federal Champion 510 from Gander and they ran better, but still. I ran a hundred rounds of each brand and struggled to get through a 10 rd Butler Creek mag without a stoppage and crushed brass. I used to shoot thunderbolts from 25 rd ramlines and hardly ever had a stoppage. The gun is clean and I applied Rem oil per the above. I bought 6 of the hot lipps mags. I hope they're not the problem. When I remove the mag and lock the bolt back, a live round and a bent case fall out. I'm still hearing stronger and weaker bangs, and on good bangs it runs good. At least I'm getting good at clearing stoppages. It's not a huge deal but I'd like to bring reliable gear to my first Appleseed next weekend near Canton Ohio.

Snake45

#470
May 29, 2008, 07:06:44 AM
The Steel Lips work much better than the Hot Lips. I have yet to have a stovepipe or extraction/ejection problem yet with Steel Lips that wasn't obviously caused by underpowered ammo. (A 10/22's primary ejector is on the left lip of the magazine.)
Buddy said "Coach, I wanna score goals"
Coach said "Buddy, remember your role:
The fast guys get paid to shoot and to score
Protect them, Buddy, that's what you're here for
Protection, that's what you're here for."

--Warren Zevon, "Hit Somebody," My Ride's Here, 2002 Artemis Records

muxtek

#471
May 29, 2008, 12:33:25 PM Last Edit: May 29, 2008, 12:36:55 PM by muxtek
One more question regarding the BC mags. The first thing I noticed was they don't fit as solid into the receiver as the ramlines. If I put my finger on the bottom tip of any of them they will wiggle slightly side to side like a loose tooth. They are properly seated. Could I be loosing pressure out of a gap causing poor cycling? Just wondering. If I decide I hate them will Midway take them back? We're talking around a hundred bucks for four 10 rd and two 25 rd. I've probably had them longer than 90 days but not by much.

dwarven1

#472
May 29, 2008, 02:02:28 PM
Guys, do you notice how many complaints there are about the Butler Creek mags? See that many about the factory 10 round mags? No?

That would be why I run factory mags only in my 10/22s. For a buck or two more, it's worth it.
Unhappy it is ... to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast, and that the once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?

GEORGE WASHINGTON

muxtek

#473
May 29, 2008, 02:12:17 PM
I called Midway. The steel lips are on the way. Hot lips are going back. What can I say? I like magazines with a handle.  ;D

dwarven1

#474
May 29, 2008, 02:18:11 PM
They should just drop free - there are some molding spots on the front of the factory mags that occasionally need touching up as they'll have some flashing there sometimes. If you are experiencing hangups, just get them smoothed out and the mags will drop free. I've had to do that on a few mags.
Unhappy it is ... to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast, and that the once happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by slaves. Sad alternative! But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?

GEORGE WASHINGTON

colycat

#475
May 29, 2008, 09:24:29 PM
I only use 10 rnd mags, Ruger.

But I have spent up to 10 bucks a box for "match ammo".  In ever 10 rnds there is always one that is a flyer.  Sounds different, you can tell right away.  Not with Fiocchi!  Fiocchi are your reading?  AS ought to get some support!!!!!

Coly
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value."   T Paine

100

Nickle

#476
May 29, 2008, 09:50:03 PM
A LOT of shooters have made the Rifleman cut by using factory mags.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

Junior Birdman

#477
May 29, 2008, 10:26:51 PM
Plus, the Ruger OEM mags/ mag releases are also the fastest reloads out there. Not as cool, but practical. I like the extended release and mags only to make it more like the MOA for the M14, but I can reload a lot faster with the OEM stuff with less chance of fumbling. JB
"But a Constitution of Government once changed from Freedom, can never be restored. Liberty, once lost, is lost forever." John Adams

Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have the exact measure of the injustice and wrong which will be imposed on them. Fredrick Douglass

colycat

#478
May 29, 2008, 10:53:40 PM
Yes, get the extended mag release.  My mags drop out just fine on both of my 10-22's

Coly
"These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph. What we obtain too cheap, we esteem too lightly: it is dearness only that gives everything its value."   T Paine

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Old Dog

#479
May 29, 2008, 10:58:31 PM
The thing that bothers me about an upside down magazine is that sooner or later it'll end up top down in the dirt.

You only have a shooting mat at an Appleseed/RBC.  In the field you got the grass, the weeds, the leaves and the dirt.

Would you stick your AR or M1A mags together upside down?

Now the little extension glued to the bottom of the factory mag. looks like it would be a good thing to help get a grip on the mag for changes.

I have some of those eagle 10 round jobs with the tab on the back that work the factory mag. release similar to my M1A.

"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle
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