Project Appleseed

I'm not sure what the m02 is, but I use Liquid Wrench Dry Lubricant.
Get it from Wally World for about $4.
Lubricates well and doesn't leave a messy oil film.

Hope this helps!

The only things I lube are the face of the hammer where the bolt rides against it with a small dab of Plastilube and LSA on the recoil spring guide rod. My rifles can run over 500 rounds with out any FTF of FTE issues.

As to the screws, Loctite makes a product called 'Thread Fixer" for just such repairs.

I'm a newbie both to appleseed and to shooting, but it occurs to me to ask...

If a .22LR is a good training rifle, and the distance is only 25m, then would an air rifle be even better?

The procedures for follow up shots with an air rifle do not readily lend themselves to shooting an AQT.  Few are made for multiple shots or use a sling.  There is nothing wrong with practising the steps of a shot with one.  And heck, we would all miss the powder smoke smell.  25 meters is reaching the limit for most air rifles.   Also decent air rifles cost more than low end rifles like the Marlin 795.  Cost is a big portion of a successful Liberty Training Rifle concept.

Accurate air rifles get pricey, and the ones that are accurate are almost always single shot.

That being said, we have had youngsters in NY use them. The results aren't real impressive.

Hard to beat a 2-3 MOA .22 (most 10/22's are capable of 2-3 MOA) for Appleseed, when you only have to shoot to a 4 MOA standard.

Don't fixate on better. Good enough is good enough.

Just adding these attachments. I know they are already on the forum, but I couldn't find where to reference, so I am posting them here to direct people to this thread.

I was wondering, Is there any reason to keep the barrel band on a 10/22? does it really add anything? Because I've seen lots of people put a different sling stud on and keep the barrel band on.

Thanks,

Roland

Rifle to rifle there are differences.

Some folks find their barrel band contributes to accuracy issues and remove it resulting in improved groups.

My rifle doesn't seem to know it has the band on it, so I left it alone.  No, I don't have the front sling swivel on the band, I used an M14 front sling swivel on the stock.

Try it with and without the band and see if you have group size improvements one way vs. the other.  I would not attach my sling to the front band as I'd expect it might affect poi.

I had good luck with Hornady One shot.  I used it at the most recent shoot I was at.  30+ mph winds that flipped my mat over more than once.  In my prep time I would just shake the sand out of the reciever.  I made sure that I cleaned all of the oil out before using it.  The other nice thing was that when it came time to clean the gun, I cleaned most of it with a soft brush the junk comes out pretty easy.  The gun ran about 200 cci mini mags and 400 Federal bulk with one FTF on the Federal.  The only cleaning I did that weekend was a bore snake ran down the barrel twice at the end of the first day.

Shooters often show up with a rifle and no sling or swivels. It's a real handicap for the shooter. I have a quick solution. I made up some front sling swivels that will work on any .22 except a Mannleicher.

I bought a 1 1/2 inch quick link and cut a piece out of an old leather belt. I cut a teardrop shaped hole in the leather that would fit over the front sight with the radius the same as a 10/22 barrel. I sewed the quick link into the folded over end using heavy waxed nylon thread. That thread is supplied with the "Speedy Stitcher".

http://www.cabelas.com/tent-accessories-speedy-stitcher-thread-needles-1.shtml?WT.tsrc=CSE&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=745739&rid=40&mr:trackingCode=CE8B9052-F5D2-DF11-82EF-001B21631C34&mr:referralID=NA&mr:adType=pla

Now you have a removable loaner front swivel for a sling. You can make a half dozen of these while listening to the Rifleman Radio Show. I took pictures of the pieces and the finished piece on a 10/22. I could send them to anybody who knows how to post pics on the Appleseed site.

Everybody does listen to the Rifleman Show, right?

Looking for some input from the brain trust here:

Bought 3 new 10/22s from Ruger to set up as LTRs.  One of them is the compact model, shorter LOP and forearm, meant for kids or other smaller folks.

I'm ready to put the sling studs on the stock.  The question is where?  At one extreme, keep them the same distance apart as the regular stock if possible.  At the other, keep them displaced inward from the butt plate and fore end the same amount as before, shortening the distance in between.

Anyone out there who has done this - particularly someone of smaller size - with an opinion on where to place them for best results?  At 6' 3", my experience isn't very relevant.

My wife has a Butler Creek synthetic stock. I sawed 1 1/8 inches off the butt and put the pad back on. I used the piece I had removed to drill pilot holes in the stock to reattach the pad. I like that butt because it doesn't slip. Wifey is North Country Lady and she likes it.

Now you have a removable loaner front swivel for a sling. You can make a half dozen of these while listening to the Rifleman Radio Show. I took pictures of the pieces and the finished piece on a 10/22. I could send them to anybody who knows how to post pics on the Appleseed site.
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Try this for information on how to post pictures. I would like to see an example as it sounds like a great idea. http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=23641.msg183045#msg183045

Have proposed approaching Ruger/TALO Distributing (the organization that had Ruger do the 10-22 Boy Scout Rifle last year) to do a ready-to-use, fully-equipped, Appleseed Training Rifle (for lack of a better name).
   Studs, 1.25" swivels, sling, 4 x magazines, Tech sights, straight butt plate, Appleseed information, and a certificate good for FREE (other than any range fees) participation in the rifle's FIRST Appleseed event or weekend.
Everything you need and nothing you don't.
   Waiting for AB response to TALO's question concerning Appleseed's ability to promote said rifle.  For example, suggest AR15 girl poster could be redone with the ATR (and purchasing information) and redistributed in shoot boxes for all shoots in 2012.  If plan goes forward, will request that Ruger include the ATR in their Instructor Purchase Program, giving RHIs a 30% discount from the msrp, whatever that turns out to be.
   Submit will be great rifle for participants, who will no longer have to put up with ill-equipped, new-in-box rifles, and for instructors to use as instantly available, and relatively standardized, loaners.
  And just to be clear, and accurate, original proposal for the above submitted 16 December, 2011, coming up on one month ago.  No pressure - we're all busy, but we've already lost the opportunity to have the rifle included in the 2012 Ruger catalog.
  Stay tuned, and
Excelsior,
madMark

Quote from: nyrasgt on January 12, 2012, 11:09:46 PM
Have proposed approaching Ruger/TALO Distributing (the organization that had Ruger do the 10-22 Boy Scout Rifle last year) to do a ready-to-use, fully-equipped, Appleseed Training Rifle (for lack of a better name).
   Studs, 1.25" swivels, sling, 4 x magazines, Tech sights, straight butt plate, Appleseed information, and a certificate good for FREE (other than any range fees) participation in the rifle's FIRST Appleseed event or weekend.
Everything you need and nothing you don't.
   Waiting for AB response to TALO's question concerning Appleseed's ability to promote said rifle.  For example, suggest AR15 girl poster could be redone with the ATR (and purchasing information) and redistributed in shoot boxes for all shoots in 2012.  If plan goes forward, will request that Ruger include the ATR in their Instructor Purchase Program, giving RHIs a 30% discount from the msrp, whatever that turns out to be.
   Submit will be great rifle for participants, who will no longer have to put up with ill-equipped, new-in-box rifles, and for instructors to use as instantly available, and relatively standardized, loaners.
  And just to be clear, and accurate, original proposal for the above submitted 16 December, 2011, coming up on one month ago.  No pressure - we're all busy, but we've already lost the opportunity to have the rifle included in the 2012 Ruger catalog.
  Stay tuned, and
Excelsior,
madMark

Quote from: nyrasgt on January 12, 2012, 11:09:46 PM

   Waiting for AB response to TALO's question concerning Appleseed's ability to promote said rifle.  For example, suggest AR15 girl poster could be redone with the ATR (and purchasing information) and redistributed in shoot boxes for all shoots in 2012.  If plan goes forward, will request that Ruger include the ATR in their Instructor Purchase Program, giving RHIs a 30% discount from the msrp, whatever that turns out to be.

Making sure the AB sees this!

I need to get at least 2 LTR in the next year.  This would make my life much easier.

Quote from: Stand on January 13, 2012, 12:19:08 AM
I need to get at least 2 LTR in the next year.  This would make my life much easier.

We do have an Appleseeder who is a gunsmith and FFL here in Florida who has been making LTR's. I have used them and they work well. On the carbine model you are stuck with the curved butt plate--at least until Ruger decides differently. I have added a recoil pad/stock extension to mine which makes the stock fit full sized people and solves the slippery butt plate problem. Here is the link: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=15365.0
Send Douglas34474 a message and he can get you set up.

Quote from: techres on January 12, 2012, 11:41:48 PM

Quote from: nyrasgt on January 12, 2012, 11:09:46 PM

   Waiting for AB response to TALO's question concerning Appleseed's ability to promote said rifle.  For example, suggest AR15 girl poster could be redone with the ATR (and purchasing information) and redistributed in shoot boxes for all shoots in 2012.  If plan goes forward, will request that Ruger include the ATR in their Instructor Purchase Program, giving RHIs a 30% discount from the msrp, whatever that turns out to be.

Making sure the AB sees this!

Respectfully, while I like the LTR concept and find the rifles excellent (and fun!) trainers, I believe that the present image is better for Appleseed. It communicates that ultimately a Rifleman (or Riflegirl! ) is competent with a real live centerfire service rifle while at the same time not visually overpowering the unfamiliar or on-the-fence-might-be-persuaded-to-come folks with evil black plastic.

The existing image is I think perfect in what it communicates. I believe re-shooting it with a .22 - even a nice LTR - would be a loss.

(Besides, it's part of what helped Rafn convince me to come to my first Appleseed. )

Quote from: Nero on January 12, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
Looking for some input from the brain trust here:

Bought 3 new 10/22s from Ruger to set up as LTRs.  One of them is the compact model, shorter LOP and forearm, meant for kids or other smaller folks.

I'm ready to put the sling studs on the stock.  The question is where?  At one extreme, keep them the same distance apart as the regular stock if possible.  At the other, keep them displaced inward from the butt plate and fore end the same amount as before, shortening the distance in between.

Anyone out there who has done this - particularly someone of smaller size - with an opinion on where to place them for best results?  At 6' 3", my experience isn't very relevant.

The sling swivel position is ideally where a person can reach and get some support, shorter, thicker, people benefit from the stud being placed closer to the trigger, while taller, skinnier folks can get a nice low stable position with the swivel stud placed farther forward.
If you were real enthusiastic, drilling several holes on the stock and epoxying in nuts could make a stock with adjustable front stud position.

"If you were real enthusiastic, drilling several holes on the stock and epoxying in nuts could make a stock with adjustable front stud position."

That's what I do, studs are cheap. I'll put one just inside the band (if there is one) and another about 4" back....O.L.

9mm4545

The person is douglas 34474
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=15075.0
Ready made LTR from here on the board.

I purchase as much as I can from a local gunsmith.  If we don't support them they will not be there when we need them.  It cost me a little more but the advice is well worth it to me.

Quote from: Mark Davis on January 13, 2012, 09:18:28 PM

Quote from: Nero on January 12, 2012, 08:41:03 PM
Looking for some input from the brain trust here:

Bought 3 new 10/22s from Ruger to set up as LTRs.  One of them is the compact model, shorter LOP and forearm, meant for kids or other smaller folks.

I'm ready to put the sling studs on the stock.  The question is where?  At one extreme, keep them the same distance apart as the regular stock if possible.  At the other, keep them displaced inward from the butt plate and fore end the same amount as before, shortening the distance in between.

Anyone out there who has done this - particularly someone of smaller size - with an opinion on where to place them for best results?  At 6' 3", my experience isn't very relevant.

The sling swivel position is ideally where a person can reach and get some support, shorter, thicker, people benefit from the stud being placed closer to the trigger, while taller, skinnier folks can get a nice low stable position with the swivel stud placed farther forward.
If you were real enthusiastic, drilling several holes on the stock and epoxying in nuts could make a stock with adjustable front stud position.

I ended up splitting the difference.  Put the rear stud the standard 2 1/2" in from the butt plate, kept the front one my usual 7 3/4" in front of the mag well.  Seems to work well on my wife, who's a foot shorter than I.  We'll see how it does in the hands of an actual youth shooter when it gets loaned out - I might just end up with a couple of forward positions.

Old Guide has a recent posting about using quick links and an old leather belt to make sling swivels for rifles without sling swivel studs. Here are the pictures:

Those look great! Looks much more professional than the zip ties. Now where are my old leather belts? ...O.L.

Thanks. I have since smoothed up the edges of the holes with a utility knife kit.

Has there been any more movement in the talks with TALO about a LTR?

I'd be thrilled to do a "prototype" T&E with them on bob-owens.com similar to what I do there and on ShootingIllustrated.com. It wouldn't be difficult to put a javascript tracking script on the review to gauge interest, and I have a talented photographer friend to make it look sexy.

Quote from: Bob Owens on August 28, 2012, 09:22:21 PM
Has there been any more movement in the talks with TALO about a LTR?

I'd be thrilled to do a "prototype" T&E with them on bob-owens.com similar to what I do there and on ShootingIllustrated.com. It wouldn't be difficult to put a javascript tracking script on the review to gauge interest, and I have a talented photographer friend to make it look sexy.

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QuoteIf a .22LR is a good training rifle, and the distance is only 25m, then would an air rifle be even better?

It's important to understand that while a 22LR is cheap to run and can help you learn most of what you need to know, it can never replicate the recoil and report of a HP, center fire rifle, which is required to shoot to full distance in the great American tradition of the Rifleman. I always counsel students to view their 22 as a stepping stone to a CF rifle.

I just ordered a 32002 this morning. Will it change anything since it already has the BX trigger and the bolt release built in plus the eyes for sling swivels molded in?