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Started by sashok.privetov, June 03, 2011, 03:20:03 PM

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sashok.privetov

June 03, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
For those of you who are wondering why I don't have any Russian/Soviet weapons, here is the answer.  The Mosin Nagants I have are Finnish.  I may eventually get something that shoots 7.62x39, and it will in all probability be either Serbian or Czech.   >:(   &)

There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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AmericaStandsStrong

#1
June 03, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
Just wondering, how exactly is a shovel, Soviet engineering?  ::)

Grumpy

#2
June 05, 2011, 04:11:44 PM
Quote from: AmericaStandsStrong on June 03, 2011, 05:16:17 PM
Just wondering, how exactly is a shovel, Soviet engineering?  ::)


When used as a frying pan???

AK sidefolder used as a toaster?

I have used a pistol as a bottle opener, though.
Turn off the X-box and focus on the X-ring.

Old Dog

#3
June 05, 2011, 08:22:27 PM
I've tried poking holes in each end of an egg, poking a stick through end to end and "roasting" it over a fire.  You need to start with several since you won't have a 100% success rate.  Oh, yeah, use a long stick as partially cooked egg is still pretty hot when it explodes out of the shell.

A clean shovel would appear to be  better solution. ;)
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

slim

#4
June 06, 2011, 09:00:15 AM
Reminds me of a story from the space race.

Soviet engineers realized a normal ballpoint pen would not work in space. They set about finding a replacement.

American engineers realized a normal ballpoint pen would not work in space. They set about finding a replacement.

The Americans spent several million dollars to engineeer, design, build and test their replacement - The Space Pen. It's a pressurized pen that will work without gravity. American innovation can fix any problem in the world. And beyond!

The Soviets used a pencil.

azmule

#5
June 06, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Quote from: slim on June 06, 2011, 09:00:15 AM
Reminds me of a story from the space race.
<...>

And Snopes spoils another great story...   :(

http://www.snopes.com/business/genius/spacepen.asp
Talk is cheap because the supply exceeds the demand.

Do or do not - there is no "try."'  -Yoda

sashok.privetov

#6
June 07, 2011, 02:07:49 PM Last Edit: June 07, 2011, 02:09:22 PM by sashok.privetov
Quote from: slim on June 06, 2011, 09:00:15 AM
The Soviets used a pencil.

...and a decade later all that graphite dust floating about fried the electronics in the space station.  Cheaper to use the space pen, no?   ++)
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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Dougum

#7
June 08, 2011, 09:50:00 PM
It truely makes me want to buy more Russian Military Surplus. If all fails, fail to use it for what it was manufactured for. ;D

Doug :---
Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

You say drake I say Brantley gilbert

You say T-Pain I say Jason Aldean

You say Kanye I say randy houser

You say Pink I say Kenny Chesney

You say Pop I scream COUNTRY

You say Justin Bieber I rip your head off

CaptG

#8
June 09, 2011, 12:08:00 AM
I like it!
Thanks Alex
Guy
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Winston Churchill

GoldFish

#9
June 09, 2011, 12:34:32 AM
I just became an AK fan. ;D
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sashok.privetov

#10
June 09, 2011, 10:50:59 PM
Quote from: GoldFish on June 09, 2011, 12:34:32 AM
I just became an AK fan. ;D
I worry about you... #)
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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Dougum

#11
June 09, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
I've been an AK fan for a while. Think about it, a gun that almost never needs cleaning, has a huge mag capacity, scares the livin' crap out of whoever makes the mistake of trying to break into the house, and is very cheap to shoot.

Doug :---
Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

You say drake I say Brantley gilbert

You say T-Pain I say Jason Aldean

You say Kanye I say randy houser

You say Pink I say Kenny Chesney

You say Pop I scream COUNTRY

You say Justin Bieber I rip your head off

sashok.privetov

#12
July 03, 2011, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Dougum on June 09, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
I've been an AK fan for a while. Think about it, a gun that almost never needs cleaning, has a huge mag capacity, scares the livin' crap out of whoever makes the mistake of trying to break into the house, and is very cheap to shoot.

Doug :---
...is a gun that cannot hit a target beyond 100 meters.
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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Roland

#13
July 03, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 03, 2011, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Dougum on June 09, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
I've been an AK fan for a while. Think about it, a gun that almost never needs cleaning, has a huge mag capacity, scares the livin' crap out of whoever makes the mistake of trying to break into the house, and is very cheap to shoot.

Doug :---
...is a gun that cannot hit a target beyond 100 meters.

Good ones can! Ok, VEPR isn't exactly typical, but supposedly good Century and Arsenal ones can too. Personally, I'll belieive it when i see it.
The doorway to freedom is framed by the muskets that stood between a vision of of liberty and absolute anarchy at a place called Concord Bridge--Charlton Heston, 1997

"Be a man of principle. Fight for what you believe in. Keep your word. Live with integrity. Be brave. Believe in something bigger than yourself. Serve your country. Teach. Mentor. Give something back to society. Lead from the front. Conquer your fears. Be a good friend. Be humble and be self-confident. Appreciate your friends and family. Be a leader and not a follower. Be valorous on the field of battle. And take responsibility for your actions. Never forget those that were killed. And never let rest those that killed them." -- Major Douglas Zembiec

Dougum

#14
July 03, 2011, 01:20:49 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 03, 2011, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Dougum on June 09, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
I've been an AK fan for a while. Think about it, a gun that almost never needs cleaning, has a huge mag capacity, scares the livin' crap out of whoever makes the mistake of trying to break into the house, and is very cheap to shoot.

Doug :---
...is a gun that cannot hit a target beyond 100 meters.

Thats why it has a 30+ round mag capacity. Just empty the darn thing
Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

You say drake I say Brantley gilbert

You say T-Pain I say Jason Aldean

You say Kanye I say randy houser

You say Pink I say Kenny Chesney

You say Pop I scream COUNTRY

You say Justin Bieber I rip your head off

professor gun

#15
July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters
Honoring my ancestor, Seth Hall, of the Massachusetts Militia for his sacrifices during our American Revolution that helped to provide freedom for all Americans.

Blue Five

#16
July 03, 2011, 02:01:20 PM
Quote from: professor gun on July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters

O0 O0 O0
"Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here!" ~Captain John Parker, April 19, 1775.

Molōn labe! :--- 

Wade

#17
July 03, 2011, 04:41:28 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 03, 2011, 10:41:50 AM
Quote from: Dougum on June 09, 2011, 11:33:17 PM
I've been an AK fan for a while. Think about it, a gun that almost never needs cleaning, has a huge mag capacity, scares the livin' crap out of whoever makes the mistake of trying to break into the house, and is very cheap to shoot.

Doug :---
...is a gun that cannot hit a target beyond 100 meters.
You might have to work harder at it  but it can get the job done  not my style of Rifle  as to "century arms " I have owned exactly 2 century arm's redone Rifles  I WILL NOT EVER OWN A 3RD ONE ,,its the nut behind the butt  not the Rifle .

Wade
Got Tired of looking for a Rifle Range So we Dug one up!
WOOF!
4 box's #1 the soap box#2 the letter box #3 the ballot box #4 the cartridge box, The founding fathers picked up the Cartridge box so that WE could use the first 3,,IMO If you don't use those 3 then you dishonour the founding Fathers !

sashok.privetov

#18
July 06, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: professor gun on July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters
An exception confirms the rule.

Quote from: Roland on July 03, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Good ones can!
Define "good" in relation to AKs, please.
I have read about a company that makes CNC-machined AK here in the States that shoots 3MOA. Generally, AKs shoot 4MOA, and Russian/Soviet military shoot to a 6MOA standard, someone wrote about that here on the forum.  Hardly something to write home about.

Quote from: Dougum on July 03, 2011, 01:20:49 PM
Thats why it has a 30+ round mag capacity. Just empty the darn thing
Bingo!  Spraying (praying is prohibited in USSR) gets expensive, however. And does nothing to improve your shooting skill.  :)

If I was forced to get anything in 7.62x39, I would get a VZ 52/57 or VZ 58. Czechs were riflemen, and they made even that cartridge reasonably (and I use that term loosely) accurate.
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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slim

#19
July 06, 2011, 02:12:19 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 03, 2011, 10:41:50 AM...is a gun that cannot hit a target beyond 100 meters.
My wife had no problems hitting steel at 300... from standing!

Roland

#20
July 06, 2011, 02:40:56 PM
Good in relation to AKs is something custom built. From Krebs, Fuller Dynamics (CR Williams choice for carbine), or a VEPR.

I have seen reviews where a Century machined  shot 2.5-3 MOA.
The doorway to freedom is framed by the muskets that stood between a vision of of liberty and absolute anarchy at a place called Concord Bridge--Charlton Heston, 1997

"Be a man of principle. Fight for what you believe in. Keep your word. Live with integrity. Be brave. Believe in something bigger than yourself. Serve your country. Teach. Mentor. Give something back to society. Lead from the front. Conquer your fears. Be a good friend. Be humble and be self-confident. Appreciate your friends and family. Be a leader and not a follower. Be valorous on the field of battle. And take responsibility for your actions. Never forget those that were killed. And never let rest those that killed them." -- Major Douglas Zembiec

Blue Five

#21
July 06, 2011, 04:04:18 PM
I sure like my AK-47 Romanian WASR-10 that was imported through Century Arms...enjoy ringing steel at 200-300 yards.  I've been thinking about putting a USGI sling on it and doing a few AQTs with it for fun  :)

:---
"Don't fire unless fired upon, but if they mean to have a war, let it begin here!" ~Captain John Parker, April 19, 1775.

Molōn labe! :--- 

Dougum

#22
July 06, 2011, 04:31:06 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 06, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: professor gun on July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters
An exception confirms the rule.

Quote from: Roland on July 03, 2011, 12:51:43 PM
Good ones can!
Define "good" in relation to AKs, please.
I have read about a company that makes CNC-machined AK here in the States that shoots 3MOA. Generally, AKs shoot 4MOA, and Russian/Soviet military shoot to a 6MOA standard, someone wrote about that here on the forum.  Hardly something to write home about.

Quote from: Dougum on July 03, 2011, 01:20:49 PM
Thats why it has a 30+ round mag capacity. Just empty the darn thing
Bingo!  Spraying (praying is prohibited in USSR) gets expensive, however. And does nothing to improve your shooting skill.  :)

If I was forced to get anything in 7.62x39, I would get a VZ 52/57 or VZ 58. Czechs were riflemen, and they made even that cartridge reasonably (and I use that term loosely) accurate.

7.62x39 640 rnd tin = $160-$180 In Wall Mart Your lookin at $5 per box of 20.
Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

You say drake I say Brantley gilbert

You say T-Pain I say Jason Aldean

You say Kanye I say randy houser

You say Pink I say Kenny Chesney

You say Pop I scream COUNTRY

You say Justin Bieber I rip your head off

sashok.privetov

#23
July 07, 2011, 08:22:19 AM
Quote from: Dougum on July 06, 2011, 04:31:06 PM
7.62x39 640 rnd tin = $160-$180 In Wall Mart Your lookin at $5 per box of 20.
640 rds--light load for the ruck march, there.  Also, making every round count.
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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sashok.privetov

#24
July 07, 2011, 08:26:09 AM
Quote from: Blue Five on July 06, 2011, 04:04:18 PM
I sure like my AK-47 Romanian WASR-10 that was imported through Century Arms...enjoy ringing steel at 200-300 yards.  I've been thinking about putting a USGI sling on it and doing a few AQTs with it for fun  :)

:---
Some are made of harder stuff than others.  Or have a lot more patience, as is the case.
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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vernic82

#25
July 07, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on June 03, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
For those of you who are wondering why I don't have any Russian/Soviet weapons, here is the answer. 

You're not alone -

I have a close friend who was raised in the Soviet Union and he too WILL NOT own any Soviet rifles/pistols but has many Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, Czech, Yugo, etc although several are of Soviet design origin......
"To be ignorant of what occurred before you were born is to remain always a child. For what is the worth of human life, unless it is woven into the life of our ancestors by the records of history?"
― Marcus Tullius Cicero

"You are not entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to your informed opinion. No one is entitled to be ignorant."
~ Harlan Ellison

"Yeah well, that's just, ya know, like, your opinion, man."
- The Dude

sashok.privetov

#26
July 08, 2011, 10:33:16 AM Last Edit: July 08, 2011, 10:41:52 AM by sashok.privetov
Quote from: vernic82 on July 07, 2011, 08:30:17 AM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on June 03, 2011, 03:20:03 PM
For those of you who are wondering why I don't have any Russian/Soviet weapons, here is the answer. 

You're not alone -

I have a close friend who was raised in the Soviet Union and he too WILL NOT own any Soviet rifles/pistols but has many Polish, Romanian, Hungarian, Czech, Yugo, etc although several are of Soviet design origin......

Good to know...  My objection is less political (tho I am hardly a fan), and more practical.  Russian/soviet authority did not really care for the people, and the guns reflected that--they made arms that were cheap, virtually indestructible, but were not really designed for use by humans.

Czechs realized that, and came up with their own version of a gun for the same purpose, one that took into account human physiology.  Finns did the same with Mosin Nagant--not a whole lot to work with, but compare M91/30 with M39. Both Czech and Finnish guns are a lot more accurate than the Russian counterparts.

That said, I would love to own SVT-40 and SVD, as those rifles were designed in a rare flash of common sense so lacking in USSR, and thusly, are actually usable and accurate.
There is a saying in Russia, a notion really--Texan Politeness:
If you know that everyone around you has a gun, and everyone around you knows that you have a gun, everyone is very polite to each other.

Timid men prefer the calm of despotism to the tempestuous sea of liberty.  --Thomas Jefferson

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professor gun

#27
July 09, 2011, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 06, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: professor gun on July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters
An exception confirms the rule.




If you are saying this target is an exception, you are not correct.  I can shoot targets like this all day with my AK.
It is a good, reliable, basic rifle.
If you are saying the rifle is an exception, I have another basic, stock AK that shoots like this.
Marksmanship is probably more dependent upon the person using the firearm than the firearm itself.  Not everyone can afford a Cadillac, most folks have to settle for a Chevy or a Ford.  And they serve the owner just as well, they just are not as stylish.
Honoring my ancestor, Seth Hall, of the Massachusetts Militia for his sacrifices during our American Revolution that helped to provide freedom for all Americans.

Dougum

#28
July 10, 2011, 09:00:11 AM
Quote from: professor gun on July 09, 2011, 10:30:03 PM
Quote from: sashok.privetov on July 06, 2011, 01:50:51 PM
Quote from: professor gun on July 03, 2011, 01:41:07 PM


Prone, stock WASR AK-47 with stock sights using Silver Bear 7.62 X 39mm ammo.

25 meters
An exception confirms the rule.




If you are saying this target is an exception, you are not correct.  I can shoot targets like this all day with my AK.
It is a good, reliable, basic rifle.
If you are saying the rifle is an exception, I have another basic, stock AK that shoots like this.
Marksmanship is probably more dependent upon the person using the firearm than the firearm itself.  Not everyone can afford a Cadillac, most folks have to settle for a Chevy or a Ford.  And they serve the owner just as well, they just are not as stylish.

I completely agree eccept for one thing. Most people drive Fords.

Doug
Love your country, but never trust its government.

-- Robert A. Heinlein

"The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good"

-- George Washington

You say drake I say Brantley gilbert

You say T-Pain I say Jason Aldean

You say Kanye I say randy houser

You say Pink I say Kenny Chesney

You say Pop I scream COUNTRY

You say Justin Bieber I rip your head off

Wade

#29
July 10, 2011, 01:52:54 PM
Once again ,,

Its the nut behind the butt= its the Indian not the arrow.

However one may have to work harder with some rifles then others ,
I do not at this time own an ak they just don't fit me  ,, I do however have sks's,and lately have been testing of all things a French rifle ,strange little rifle to be sure but add a web sling and get used to the sights and it is surpisingly good.

Wade
Got Tired of looking for a Rifle Range So we Dug one up!
WOOF!
4 box's #1 the soap box#2 the letter box #3 the ballot box #4 the cartridge box, The founding fathers picked up the Cartridge box so that WE could use the first 3,,IMO If you don't use those 3 then you dishonour the founding Fathers !
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