Project Appleseed

Urine is great for removing black powder fouling, gross but true.   I don't own a replica Bess or Charleville, but I do have an 1853 3-Band Enfield.

Anyway, Stainless 795 or basic Blued?

Basic blued model, add a little weight and stiffness to the forestock, sling, sights or scope and you are good to go.  Sometime in the future replace the factory trigger guard with an aluminum one.  Great rifle at a great price.  I can run up to +/- 600 rounds of mini mags through mine before cleaning is required though I usually clean sooner.  I have not had a problem running through a complete Appleseed without cleaning.

My .02 Worth,

csw

Quote from: Piker on February 17, 2011, 12:40:50 PM
Urine is great for removing black powder fouling, gross but true.   I don't own a replica Bess or Charleville, but I do have an 1853 3-Band Enfield.

Anyway, Stainless 795 or basic Blued?

It works to neutralize corrosive ammo, too.

Mmmmm, I love the smell of Ammonia in the morning, its that smell, that tom-cat smell, smells like.... Victory.

Anyway, my City Boy buddy really wants a 10/22 and I might make one for him yet, but for the price of a 10/22 reciever alone, I can get him started with a Marlin 795 and my spare sling.

Quote from: Piker on February 17, 2011, 03:00:08 PM
Anyway, my City Boy buddy really wants a 10/22 and I might make one for him yet, but for the price of a 10/22 reciever alone, I can get him started with a Marlin 795 and my spare sling.

Piker if your friend is dead set on a 10-22 he may never be happy with something else.  You know my opinion on the the 795 vs the 10-22.  I own and shoot both and like both.  For a new shooter the 795 is simpler to operate for an AQT (last shot hold open, bolt release, etc.).  I am sort of the old opinion that if you don't like the way it looks and feels you probably won't do your best with it.  But then again we teach any rack grade rifle with surplus ammo. 

All of that said, below is my comparison Target of the two rifles.  I am not trying to start a which is best argument and please note that either rifle is more accurate than the average shooter can shoot. 
The rifles:

Ruger 10-22: S.S., Synthetic stock, unmodified factory trigger, Nikon 2-7 X 32 scope, purchased '99

Marlin 795: Blued w/ synthetic stock, unmodified trigger, Nikon 2-7X32 scope, purchased July '10

Both rifles were thoroughly cleaned and scopes installed (replaced an old Tasco scope on the 10-22)
After 10 "fouling rounds"  both rifles/scopes were zeroed at 25m from a bench with sand bags.
After zeroing, both rifles were fired from the bench at 1" orange dots on a piece of graph paper starting at the left and proceeding to the right.  Marlin shot at the top left, Ruger fired at the bottom left Marlin at the top center, Ruger at the bottom center and so forth.  All targets are 10 shots each.

Both rifles are "stock" from the factory (this is my best shooting Ruger out of the three I own).  Ammo was CCI MiniMags.  Prior to this the Marlin had +/- 50 rounds through it.  I really don't know how many rounds had been fire through the Ruger prior to this but I feel very safe in estimating well short of 1,000.

I told him what you said about the Marlin being capable of dime size groups vs the 10/22's quarter size groups, about how the mags stick out a little so you can get your hands on them if they don't drop, how it is lighter so that he can eventually teach his daughter and son to shoot with it. I also think Que from RimfireCentral can work on the the bolts for the 795. Also told him about the bolt hold open feature on the Marlin.

He's convinced and Gander Mtn in Huntsville, AL has one left in stock, with my name on it. Going to a Pi Kappa Alpha (Pike) Alumni Advisory Board meeting there this weekend. May shoot it at Blue and Gray on Sunday!

I mean a barrel alone for a custom 10/22 can cost twice what a Marlin does.  He is currently looking for a job, this gets him a rifle for now that we both can afford. He'll pay me back when he gets a job.

Told him flat out, I will eventually make you a 10 22, and/or you can buy one later, but for the price right now, you are getting a Marlin. Will teach him what I can, practice for myself for Appleseed students on him, and when he is close take him to an AS.

My Marlin mags drop free after a little filing/sandpapering of the magwell.  I also did the JB weld, etc from the rimfire central board and I shoot 5 in a pencil eraser hole at 25 from a bench supported  with Walmart Fredeal bulk.  See my other posts on this thread.

I have done some sanding to my magwell and the mags are flowing a little easier but my real problem is the price of the mags. I want to get a few more but at midway they are going for $26.99. I could understand if they were fancy aftermarket but they're just simple little mags. I really like this rifle, it has been accurate right from the beginning, and reliable. Also you can't beat the price. I replaced the trigger guard and installed the tech sights, which are awesome, but I need to do something about the stock. It feels like a child's rifle with the little stock. The other thing that I would love to see is some kind of enhanced mag release. With the replacement trigger guard there is a little open space between the guard and the mag and I could see having the mag release lever extended.
 

I was advised to get my Marlin 795 mags from CDN here on the forum,  much less expensive than Midway.

John

sorry, it was CDNN and I don't see them on the website now.

John

went to cdnn and searched on marlin 795, comes up w/ mags

here's the link

10 round

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html

and to easily distinguish mags in "prep 2 & 8"  drills

7 round

http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mapo96227rds.html

Just did a little research and found out that shooter's ridge is making a 25 round mag for the marlin 795. I don't think it's out yet but it should be soon.



http://www.shootersridge.com/products/accessories/magazines/marlin_mag25rd.aspx

Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.

The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.

Any tips for getting a big man into the sitting position? I'm not small, but was able to find a workable postition for myself, but he's got issues. PM with advice on that if you can.

Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.

The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.

Any tips for getting a big man into the sitting position? I'm not small, but was able to find a workable postition for myself, but he's got issues. PM with advice on that if you can.

Not to go OT:

Open legged works best for me. I've got a good sized mid-sectioned, multi-directional pivoting device (fat gut), big legs and bad knees and sitting open legged with my heels firmly dug in and knees up is what seems to work for most of us with this same dimension.



(This is not me, just random internet picture to illustrate)

Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.

The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.

Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings.  They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00.  They work fine.  Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.

edit:

nvm-repost.

Go to Pyramid Air and get the ones on sale that have dual side screws and a vertical set screw.  @$10.

Quote from: cswhitfield on March 07, 2011, 07:52:50 AM

Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.

The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.

Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings.  They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00.  They work fine.  Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.

Pyramid sells thru Amazon: Got Hackett's books on Revere and the Crossing of the Delaware as well. 

Quote from: dart67eb on March 08, 2011, 07:18:11 PM
Go to Pyramid Air and get the ones on sale that have dual side screws and a vertical set screw.  @$10.

Quote from: cswhitfield on March 07, 2011, 07:52:50 AM

Quote from: Piker on March 02, 2011, 09:36:00 AM
Got a spare mag when I got the rifle at Gander Mtn, only $19.95. Buddy likes it, and with some decent sights or a scope, he will shoot well with it. Looks like Nurmrich sells a laminated wood stock for these too.

The only 3/8 dovetail scope rings I've found were at Brownells and they cost more than the fixed 4x scope.

Check Dick's or Wally World for scope mount/rings.  They have .22/airgun rings for under $12.00.  They work fine.  Either Cheaper than Dirt or Sportsmans Guide (don't remember which) has Marlin mags for $15.00.

I have a 10 year old Williams Deluxe Target FP rear aperture sight that I pulled off a .22 bolt target rifle due to accuracy problems - at least it wasn't accurate enough for sub MOA smallbore purposes - I'd like to refurbish and mount it on a Marlin 60 or 795 LTR.  The accuracy problem is that there is a little play in the horizontal "stage" that the aperture screws into, a couple degrees of rotational play around the axis of the horizontal adjustment screw, which wouldn't be noticeable if the aperture were located directly above the axis of that screw, because then it would only move forward/backward with very little vertical motion; but the target aperture I have for it cantilevers the aperture about a half inch behind the screw, resulting in a couple MOA worth of random vertical play in the sight.  I checked their online catalog, where it looks like all their apertures are made that way - but they do mention that it is a standard thread that is the same as everybody's apertures.

1. Does anybody make a screw-in aperture where the necked-down "aperture" part is recessed into the threaded end, where it would be located above the horizontal adjustment screw on my sight?

2. If not, and I have to make one, what is the "standard aperture thread?"  It looks like 40 pitch, with a .216 OD - 7/32-40?

3. So I can start designing the receiver adapter, what is the width of a Marlin 60/795 receiver? (I don't have one yet - still looking for a good deal on a used one.)

Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 07:09:31 PM

3. So I can start designing the receiver adapter, what is the width of a Marlin 60/795 receiver? (I don't have one yet - still looking for a good deal on a used one.)

The dovetailed portion of the 795 is 1/2" edge to edge.  If you need the actual receiver width, and not the dovetail width, give me a shout and I'll break out the tape again.

This sight attaches to the left side of the receiver - or rather to a kinimatic rail adapter that I'll need to make that will stay on the left side of the receiver.  
Picture at http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR

I already know I'll need to cut away some stock on that side to expose the flat side of the receiver.  So I need the receiver width first to find out if the range of adjustment on this thing will even get me there.

Quote from: JustJeff on March 11, 2011, 07:40:03 PM
The dovetailed portion of the 795 is 1/2" edge to edge.  If you need the actual receiver width, and not the dovetail width, give me a shout and I'll break out the tape again.

Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:00:44 PM
This sight attaches to the left side of the receiver - or rather to a kinimatic rail adapter that I'll need to make that will stay on the left side of the receiver.  
Picture at http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=williams+deluxe+target+fp&view=detail&id=AC0339A0A761DD54AD5AF02A3C1F95AC9A8E3ABA&first=1&FORM=IDFRIR

I already know I'll need to cut away some stock on that side to expose the flat side of the receiver.  So I need the receiver width first to find out if the range of adjustment on this thing will even get me there.

From the bottom of the receiver to the top of the dovetail is 1".  The flat surface is 7/8".  You have about 4" from front to back to mount it.  (measurements with receiver out of stock, using standard tape measure)

Thanks!  How about side-to-side width?

Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:12:28 PM
Thanks!  How about side-to-side width?

it's right at 1" from the left (smooth) side to the right (ejection port) side of the receiver.

Hmmm- do-able, but non-optimum.  That would put the sight almost all the way to the right of its range of adjustment to get it on the center of the bore.  I was afraid of that.

On a related note, I found some serious 795-cool while searching for dimensional info - check out the rifle in post number 8 at http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html

How about that baby for an Appleseed LTR?

Quote from: azmule on March 11, 2011, 08:50:18 PM
Hmmm- do-able, but non-optimum.  That would put the sight almost all the way to the right of its range of adjustment to get it on the center of the bore.  I was afraid of that.

On a related note, I found some serious 795-cool while searching for dimensional info - check out the rifle in post number 8 at http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/marlin/82869-marlin-60-795-accessories.html

How about that baby for an Appleseed LTR?

That would be a very nice stock to put your 795 or 60 in..... I agree with the poster... the tube on the 60 would look similar to the 'ramrod' and complete the look.

As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes.  You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60.  I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem.  They said they will send me a new trigger guard.  Free. 

Quote from: dart67eb on January 23, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes.  You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60.  I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem.  They said they will send me a new trigger guard.  Free.

Did you call corporate or one of the field service centers?

UL

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Quote from: unbridled_liberty on January 23, 2012, 06:04:27 PM

Quote from: dart67eb on January 23, 2012, 01:04:00 PM
As we 795 users know, one of the biggest faults with the rifle is that cracks will develop around the plastic trigger guard screw holes.  You can always upgrade to the metal one for @ $60.  I didn't want to spend that on mine so I called Marlin and told them about my problem.  They said they will send me a new trigger guard.  Free.

Did you call corporate or one of the field service centers?

UL

Well,I broke it!  My 20+ Appleseed 795 purchased in '09 suddenly failed to fire.  Click but no bang and no strike.  Disassembled and the firing pin broke clean just forward of the pin that holds it in.  I guess it must have work hardened after 10K + rounds.  Called Marlin and they're sending me another for free.