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Using Fred's Guide to Becoming a Rifleman to get you to thinking #2

Started by Old Dog, November 22, 2007, 01:32:48 PM

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Old Dog

Another one right out of the guide:

Your shot at 300 yds. hits 6" low in the dirt in front of the target, what do you do?
a. go up 5 clicks
b. you called it a good shot, so you raise your point of aim
c. you called it "low", so you do nothing
d. you failed to call the shot, so you do nothing
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

sanderman79

I'll give it a shot.

C. You called it low, so you do nothing

Should be 2clicks up not 5.
If you called it good and you missed then you have a problem and if you failed to call the shot you have a problem. 

SGTCap

Quote from: M1A4ME on November 22, 2007, 01:32:48 PM
Another one right out of the guide:

Your shot at 300 yds. hits 6" low in the dirt in front of the target, what do you do?
a. go up 5 clicks
b. you called it a good shot, so you raise your point of aim
c. you called it "low", so you do nothing
d. you failed to call the shot, so you do nothing

The correct answer is not present

ornell

The answer I pick is e. I tell the guy next to me to quit shooting on my target, as you know I don't shoot low.  :P


didactic

I vote for "not enough information."  Review the six steps, and shoot again. 
If you're not shooting 8-minute groups or better, there's normally nothing to adjust. 
Making sight adjustments based on one shot is risky at best, pointless in this case.  If three or four carefully-fired shots all wind up in the dirt in front of the target, THEN make a big adjustment up.
:o :-[
"If not us, who?  If not now, when?"  Ronald W. Reagan

Libertysteeth

Quote by ornell:
"I tell the guy next to me to quit shooting on my target..."

Who? Me? ::)
Couldn't be, my holes are tiny little .223 pinpricks with an occasional keyhole for good measure. ;D



Seriously though, more info would help.


Old Dog

The answer in the guide is:  b, c & d - all but a. apply

Remember step 6 (follow through).  Your eyes were open so you know where the front sight was in relation to the target. 

b. you called it a good shot, so you raise your point of aim
    when the shot fired you could see the front sight was lined up on the target, so you know you need to raise your point of aim

c. you called it "low", so you do nothing
    when the shot fired you could see the front sight was low in relation to the target, so you take another shot with the front sight aligned on the target

d. you failed to call the shot, so you do nothing
    you failed to follow step 6 so you don't know where the shot should have went so you have to fire another shot and follow step 6 on this shot

Don't add possibilities to the answers/questions.  The info is in the guide.  The info has been presented at Appleseeds.  The difference for most of us (me included) is we are still learning to THINK and ACT like riflemen.  We read/hear the question and begin to think about the answer.  A rifleman knows the answer due to experience with their rifle of choice and based on the training/practice and having spent time proving to themselves that this training works.

Has anybody said the path to becoming a rifleman is probably not a destination.  Enjoy the hike, it should last the rest of your life because it's not a place you get to, it's a way of doing things.  Anyone who goes to an Appleseed or RBC, shoots a rifleman score or two and walks away satisfied that they've "done it" is missing the point.  If you don't feel the need to take what you've learned, add to it, and share it with others then you've missed out on what becoming a rifleman is about.  I feel sorry for you if that's all you got out of it.

I'll post more as it seems to get folks to thinking and talking about information they can use.

edited to fix some spelling/gramatical errors (one of the things I can do without thinking about it - making he errors that is)
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle