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Started by Spatulaman, September 30, 2007, 05:15:13 PM

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Joe

#31
December 16, 2007, 03:13:50 AM Last Edit: December 16, 2007, 03:16:44 AM by Joe
Student

TZ headstamp is Israeli.

Dutch
roughly where in NV are you?

Fitz

#32
December 16, 2007, 10:16:23 AM
Quote from: wcmartin1 on December 15, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
Ya'll getcha some of this, if you can.  It doesn't come around very often:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM762D&s

Thanks, I had to grab 1000 rds of this!

Fitz

Dutch

#33
December 16, 2007, 01:49:11 PM
Joe:

I am in Reno.

ax238

#34
December 19, 2007, 11:59:28 AM


this looks interesting

http://www.grafs.com/product/181164

Ax
Tyrants prefer disarmed victims. Those who want freedom must be willing to fight for it.

Nickle

#35
December 19, 2007, 12:20:04 PM
Quote from: ax238 on December 19, 2007, 11:59:28 AM


this looks interesting

http://www.grafs.com/product/181164

Ax

We sell the stuff for about the same price, maybe less. I'm not sure, as we're redoing our prices the first of the year, and though I know they're going up, I'm not sure how much yet.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

wcmartin1

#36
December 19, 2007, 04:36:01 PM
Quote from: ax238 on December 19, 2007, 11:59:28 AM


this looks interesting

http://www.grafs.com/product/181164

Ax
It's good and I like the brass. 
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

ax238

#37
December 19, 2007, 06:21:16 PM

Nickle

QuoteWe sell the stuff for about the same price, maybe less. I'm not sure, as we're redoing our prices the first of the year, and though I know they're going up, I'm not sure how much yet.

are you selling it online? Or just instore.  I really should get some, so I can reload it.
Tyrants prefer disarmed victims. Those who want freedom must be willing to fight for it.

Redwolf

#38
December 19, 2007, 08:43:17 PM
Has any one used Prvi Patizan 308?  The Lithuania dose look's good to. What is the best price we can get on the Lithuania. Looking for 1K.

wildman

#39
December 19, 2007, 09:36:58 PM
Aim has Litho for 105.??/200 when you buy 5 packs if I remember correctly. This past week I bought a 200 battlepack local to see how it shoots. It's boxer primed so I get to deduct the savings from the price. There is no doubt about it ammo prices are up. I get to test the stuff Saturday I'll let know how it shoots.
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine.... "My Rifle" the creed of a US Marine by MG WH Rupertus,USMC

wcmartin1

#40
December 19, 2007, 11:16:17 PM Last Edit: December 19, 2007, 11:20:06 PM by wcmartin1
Quote from: Redwolf on December 19, 2007, 08:43:17 PM
Has any one used Prvi Patizan 308?  The Lithuania dose look's good to. What is the best price we can get on the Lithuania. Looking for 1K.

Prvi Partizan:

It'll get you rifleman scores.

The brass is boxer primed, but it weighs the same as commercial .308 brass (as opposed to mil-spec 7.62).

Lithuanian:

Shoots good, also.

The brass weighs the same as Lake City.  Got five reloads out of it.
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

Nickle

#41
December 20, 2007, 09:45:17 AM
Quote from: ax238 on December 19, 2007, 06:21:16 PM

Nickle

QuoteWe sell the stuff for about the same price, maybe less. I'm not sure, as we're redoing our prices the first of the year, and though I know they're going up, I'm not sure how much yet.

are you selling it online? Or just instore.  I really should get some, so I can reload it.

Not online, but we do ship. The stuff we have is remanufactured, by us. If you're going to reload it, buy the Prvi Partisan, or buy surplus LC (Lake City) brass. You'll be happier in the end.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

Simballo

#42
December 20, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: wcmartin1 on December 15, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
Ya'll getcha some of this, if you can.  It doesn't come around very often:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM762D&s

Stamped "EC 07."

wcmartin1

#43
December 20, 2007, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: Simballo on December 20, 2007, 02:19:10 PM
Quote from: wcmartin1 on December 15, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
Ya'll getcha some of this, if you can.  It doesn't come around very often:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM762D&s

Stamped "EC 07."
Correction:

FC 07 (Federal Cartridge 2007)

Mine just came in today. ;D
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

Simballo

#44
December 20, 2007, 05:30:33 PM
Yep "FC 07"

The one I checked had a defect over the bottom of the "F" making it look like an "E."  ;D

wildman

#45
December 25, 2007, 03:53:51 PM
Here is the report I promised on the Litho 7.62. The ammo looks new and why not the date is 04. The head stamp is GGG. This stuff looks a lot like LC. I don't know this but I ask the question was it made at LC or out of US components? Perhaps one of you can provide the answer. 

It shot as good as mil-surp ammo I have used in the past... perhaps better. I shot it out of a Garand.

It is pricey I'll let you decide if it's worth it.
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine.... "My Rifle" the creed of a US Marine by MG WH Rupertus,USMC

wcmartin1

#46
December 26, 2007, 11:23:18 AM
Here is a link to the GGG website:

http://www.sovereign-publications.com/ggg-ammo.htm
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

wildman

#47
December 26, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
Isn't the e-net wonderful? I guess that report explains why this stuff looks so good too bad we can't buy it at .30 per.
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine.... "My Rifle" the creed of a US Marine by MG WH Rupertus,USMC

Old Dog

#48
December 26, 2007, 09:29:08 PM
Sounds like good stuff.  Now for my question.  I keep reading that the reason we aren't seeing much surplus is because the UN is talking other countries into destroying it rather than selling it.  Does Lithuania have about as much value for the opinions of the UN as most of us - is that why their surplus is ending up over here for us to buy?
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

wildman

#49
December 26, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
Perhaps it is not surplus.... after all the dates are 03 & 04. Maybe they are just selling it to do what capitalist do....make money. They know there is a market here. It has been my experience for the last 60 trips around the sun that in a free market demands are supplied by someone.
This is my rifle. There are many like it but this one is mine.... "My Rifle" the creed of a US Marine by MG WH Rupertus,USMC

wcmartin1

#50
December 26, 2007, 10:17:35 PM
Quote from: wildman on December 26, 2007, 09:43:58 PM
Perhaps it is not surplus.... after all the dates are 03 & 04. Maybe they are just selling it to do what capitalist do....make money. They know there is a market here. It has been my experience for the last 60 trips around the sun that in a free market demands are supplied by someone.

Imagine that. ;)

Check this out:

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/economies/Europe/Lithuania-POLITICS-GOVERNMENT-AND-TAXATION.html
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

wnc

#51
January 07, 2008, 11:04:53 PM
A little off topic at this point in the thread, but someone earlier mentioned Australian 7.62ammo.  Is the Australian corrosive?  Is the South African corrosive?   Thanks for any help.

Old Dog

#52
January 07, 2008, 11:17:01 PM
I've got/shot both and neither were corrosive in my rifle.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

bob 210

#53
January 07, 2008, 11:18:43 PM
Both Australian and South African 7.62x51 are non-corrosive.
If ye love wealth better than liberty,the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom,go home from us.We ask not your counsels or arms.Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.May your chains set lightly upon you and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen. SA

wnc

#54
January 08, 2008, 11:20:41 PM
Thank you both for the replies--that  eases my mind.

wcmartin1

#55
January 14, 2008, 11:42:46 AM Last Edit: January 14, 2008, 11:47:46 AM by wcmartin1
Quote from: wcmartin1 on December 15, 2007, 01:27:49 PM
Ya'll getcha some of this, if you can.  It doesn't come around very often:

http://www.natchezss.com/product.cfm?contentID=productDetail&prodID=FAXM762D&s

Regarding the Federal stuff - received mine on 20 Dec 07 and finally gave it a test drive yesterday morning. 

Zero failures.  Shot a 228-8 on a Q&D AQT with no sighters.  (Every shot is a sighter.)

Left my scored target with a big *Rifleman* written across the top, Freds contact info circled, and another fresh target posted next to it with the challenge "Now it's your turn.  C'mon, it's only 25 yards." written across the top.

Even though my Cowgirls lost yesterday, at least the day started out right. ;D
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

wcmartin1

#56
January 28, 2008, 11:04:25 AM
Shot a 233-10 yesterday with some PPU stuff I got from Widener's a couple months ago. ;D

One of my neighbors happened to be there shooting from a bench on the next range down.  He came over and watched me shoot part of it and we got to talking about the AQT and how effective it was for teaching you to shoot from field positions.  I gave him a couple of targets and he said that next time he would bring his AR and let me show him how to do it.  Cool.
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837

Fred

#57
January 28, 2008, 07:33:10 PM

   wc, the AQT can be touted a little more - it gives you a number when you get thru - and a standard to compare that number to, to see how you rank compared to what modern military people say is effective. Otherwise, how can you ever know how "well" you shoot? (Unless you never miss... :))

    And, by giving you a number each time, it allows you to track your progress - to measure your improvement as it occurs.

     It's a pretty good course of fire in many respects...
"Ready to eat dirt and sweat bore solvent?" - Ask me how to become an RWVA volunteer!

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     What about it, do-nothings? You heard the man, jump on in...

Nickle

#58
January 28, 2008, 08:53:42 PM
Quote from: Fred on January 28, 2008, 07:33:10 PM

   wc, the AQT can be touted a little more - it gives you a number when you get thru - and a standard to compare that number to, to see how you rank compared to what modern military people say is effective. Otherwise, how can you ever know how "well" you shoot? (Unless you never miss... :))

    And, by giving you a number each time, it allows you to track your progress - to measure your improvement as it occurs.

     It's a pretty good course of fire in many respects...

Yeah, one I sometimes wish the Army was smart enough to go back to.

Pop-ups are fun, and the new course of fire is better, except for the furthest targets being at 300 (and that isn't the majority of them), which is also what the BSZ is for the M16A2 (some of us just zero it low on purpose). But, paper and scoring rings is a more effective training tool.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

wcmartin1

#59
January 28, 2008, 09:07:50 PM Last Edit: January 28, 2008, 09:31:33 PM by wcmartin1
Absolutely Men,

I've been working on this guy for a while and have talked to him about the AQT's value several times.  He's been skeptical as to how effective it would be until he saw me shooting it yesterday with my M1A - by the numbers.  After I was done I pulled my scored target and we talked about it some more.  Now he's willing to try it himself and see if he's up to the challenge.

This guy is an avid varmint hunter and is a good shot with a scoped bolt gun from a solid rest, but I think he will be humbled (as I still am from time to time) by the AQT.  He's a get 'er done, goal oriented kind of guy (oilfield hand) and won't stop until he achieves Rifleman.  By then, he'll be hooked like me and become another AQT disciple.  ;D

[Now back to your regularly scheduled 7.62x51 programming.] 8)
"Unhappy it is, though, to reflect that a brother's sword has been sheathed in a brother's breast and that the once-happy and peaceful plains of America are either to be drenched with blood or inhabited by a race of slaves.  Sad alternative!  But can a virtuous man hesitate in his choice?" - George Washington - from a letter to a close friend after the events of April 19, 1775

"There is no nation on earth powerful enough to accomplish our (the United States) overthrow.  Our destruction, should it come at all, will be from another quarter.  From the inattention of the people to the concerns of their government, from their carelessness and negligence, I must confess that I do apprehend some danger.  I fear that they may place too implicit a confidence in their public servants, and fail properly to scrutinize their conduct; that in this way they may be made the dupes of designing men, and become the instruments of their own undoing." - Daniel Webster, June 1, 1837
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