News:

Want Appleseed to grow and fill our firing lines?  We need help with advertising, social media, graphics design, and administrative tasks.  An hour of time spent at this level can have a huge impact.  You can make a difference!  Send a Personal Message to Cleveland.

Main Menu

"Help! My Groups Are Too Big!"

Started by Fred, August 16, 2007, 06:01:17 PM

Previous topic - Next topic

Fred


     Assuming you're using iron sights, have a mechanically-sound firearm, and are getting too-large groups from standing, sitting, or prone (as opposed to off-the-bench), here's some suggestions:

     1. Concentrate on sight alignment (keep the front and rear sights correctly lined up);

     2. Focus your eye on the front sight, so as to keep the front sight sharp and clear, while letting the target and rear sight go fuzzy;

     3. Work on trigger control :

          a. squeeze the trigger at least two seconds (do not snatch or jerk the trigger)

          b. hold the trigger back when the rifle goes off

          c. keep your eye open and take a quick mental snap-shot of the sights/target when the rifle goes off, so you can call the shot.

     These would be the first things to work on when your group is OK, except it is simply "too large" - which is anything over 4 MOA, right?

     If you have trouble in prone with the sights wobbling about and not staying on target, pull up your trigger knee as tight as you can behind your trigger elbow - you should see an instant 'tightening-up' of your position, and the front sight steadying down on the target.

     Not least, 'do your homework' - get into prone three times a week and dry-fire (by the numbers, of course) ten shots. This will help speed your body getting comfortable in prone, and will make a real impact on your shooting performance when you get to the range.
"Ready to eat dirt and sweat bore solvent?" - Ask me how to become an RWVA volunteer!

      "...but he that stands it now, deserves the thanks of man and woman alike..."   Paine

     "If you can read this without a silly British accent, thank a Revolutionary War veteran" - Anon.

     "We have it in our power to begin the world over again" - Thomas Paine

     What about it, do-nothings? You heard the man, jump on in...

Nickle

#1
A proper trigger squeeze should be like breaking a tiny glass rod.

Just gently squeeeeeeeeeeeeze it back until the rod breaks. You should not be able to predict when it will break.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

Fred


     The initial post assumes your groups are BIG - like 12 - 20 MOA or bigger.

     If your groups are smaller, it's much simpler, in a way. Simply focus on 'polishing' all the basics.

     I've seen a number of times Appleseeders who can't get it together - who start out with 12" groups at 25m (!) and stay there all day Saturday.

     But they stick with it and, sometimes late Saturday, but often on Sunday, it finally 'clicks' and their groups decline dramatically - to 5-6 MOA, sometimes.

     In other words, they're down to the 'polishing' stage.
"Ready to eat dirt and sweat bore solvent?" - Ask me how to become an RWVA volunteer!

      "...but he that stands it now, deserves the thanks of man and woman alike..."   Paine

     "If you can read this without a silly British accent, thank a Revolutionary War veteran" - Anon.

     "We have it in our power to begin the world over again" - Thomas Paine

     What about it, do-nothings? You heard the man, jump on in...

Scout

Once again, you can't work on your one inch squares if your shooting in a 12 inch box. Work on this before you get to where you are going, or before the convoys arrive anyway. ;D
BattleRoadUSA.com

"Who wants Ice Cream?" Fred

Sixty seconds is way too long for a minute, I am cutting it down to thirty seven seconds- SoM

"You can shout it, you can preach it, but no matter how many times you repeat it, NEVER believe your own bullSh*t." (as told to me by Grin Reaper)