MAGPUL Rifleman Loop Sling--any experience?

[Mrs. Smith]

Thanks, Mrs. Smith!

Ok, my last (planned) post on this thread: The Magpul Rifleman Loop Sling works. It's easy on and easy off, it didn't slip, it functioned even when damp (we got sprinkled on a bit--so not sure how it does when soaked and/or cold yet), and it works for all positions. The proof is in the results: Qualified Known Distance even though we had to do Stage 1 at 200 yards. Very, very, happy with the results.

Nice!! 200 yards from standing is no joke!

I still struggle with adjusting that keeper with one hand. It may simply be a matter of physical strength and leverage.  When my arm is through the loop, I just don't have the strength to slide the keeper down with my trigger hand from that angle (and I'm no delicate rose - I'm a country girl.) If I adjust the angle I'm pulling from for better leverage, then it creates a muzzle control issue.  That's my biggest complaint about the RLS.  The USGI is still easier to adjust one handed and requires no strength to speak of to do so.

Something to keep in mind with smaller women and kids who lack sufficient upper body strength to compensate for the lack of leverage.

[Sophisticated Redneck]

Thank you, Red Wing and Mrs. Smith for the information and follow-up.  I was just discussing this thread over the weekend and I'm very glad to hear results from both new and more experienced forum members.  I believe I will grab one of these and play with it over the summer.

Thanks again, and congrats on the Known Distance event, Red Wing! I plan to attend my first one this fall.  Looking forward to it!

Regards,

[pcooper2]

I will definitely be giving this a go, as I am not a fan of the USGI sling. Too small, too short, and stretches too much. I much prefer poly to cotton.

[laxgolf]

Nice shooting, Red Wing!

[Iborche]

Another interesting possibility with the RLS - we had a shooter show up with a RLS on his rifle but he wanted to try the GI loop sling instead as he'd never been to Appleseed or used a GI sling before. We'd run out of slings to loan but noticed he'd installed his RLS backwards and lost the keeper somewhere along the way, it looked about like this:



A quick detach of the rear QD, pull out a loop from the tri-glide, and you've got a near identical stand in for a GI sling:



Adjusting the length was only slightly slower than with a GI sling, and it held tension very well. It was just a half day clinic so no AQTs but this shooter would've had a very good chance at shooting a Rifleman score using this setup at a two day event. I use the RLS on my main rifle and have grown to be a fan of it, but it hadn't occurred to me just how easy it was to adapt to directly replace a GI sling. Just another tool in the toolbox if someone is having trouble with their RLS and is open to some improvisation!

[GTEngineer]

Now that's some quality IAO! 

Another interesting possibility with the RLS - we had a shooter show up with a RLS on his rifle but he wanted to try the GI loop sling instead as he'd never been to Appleseed or used a GI sling before. We'd run out of slings to loan but noticed he'd installed his RLS backwards and lost the keeper somewhere along the way, it looked about like this:



A quick detach of the rear QD, pull out a loop from the tri-glide, and you've got a near identical stand in for a GI sling:



Adjusting the length was only slightly slower than with a GI sling, and it held tension very well. It was just a half day clinic so no AQTs but this shooter would've had a very good chance at shooting a Rifleman score using this setup at a two day event. I use the RLS on my main rifle and have grown to be a fan of it, but it hadn't occurred to me just how easy it was to adapt to directly replace a GI sling. Just another tool in the toolbox if someone is having trouble with their RLS and is open to some improvisation!

[Red Wing]

I use the RLS on my main rifle and have grown to be a fan of it, but it hadn't occurred to me just how easy it was to adapt to directly replace a GI sling. Just another tool in the toolbox if someone is having trouble with their RLS and is open to some improvisation!

Very nice!

[553tnegA]

Did my first AS with a Magpul MS1 and had a hard time establishing a loop. Ended up doing the entire course using a hasty setup and shot 200.
Afterwards, I went a bought a Magpul RLS. Just got it put together and am anxious to try it out at the range! Next AS is a Winterseed so I'm glad the loop is easily adjustable to fit over coats and other layers.
Everyone's tips, tricks and reviews were very helpful - thanks!

[Dave 11H]

My wife and I both have the Quick Cuff sling. While the removable cuff is convenient to have it is painfully slow to adjust the sling for length. I would NOT recommend the Quick Cuff for Appleseed. We only use our Quick Cuffs on rifles that don't need frequent length adjustments. Mostly our heavy bolt guns setup for varmint shooting prone.

[mmirate]

I recently scored Rifleman using this sling on Stages 1 and 2 (and a GI web sling for the remainder). Here's my 2 cents.

Having the chest contact from hasty on Stage 1 without having to readjust my GI sling was convenient. Being able to establish a loop while also maintaining full connectivity was vital to executing a quick yet safe transition to a stable position on Stage 2. My rifle balances at the center of the magwell, several inches behind my support hand, so with a GI sling the muzzle was eerily wobbly when dropping to seated the only way I know how (namely, by stepping my trigger foot behind the other foot, initiating a knee bend, and falling - a motion I cannot do in reverse so as to save my index point), and my kneeling position is thusfar unacceptable. By contrast, pushing away from the RLS sling made the muzzle "snap" to position and stay there as I dropped to seated. At the same time, this wasn't worthwhile for the remainder of the AQT: dropping to prone is more straightforward than to seated; the RLS seemed very able to loosen whenever I detached it from my rifle and left it on my arm; there seemed to be a component of the sling tension that pulled the loop down towards my elbow; and my rifle's rear QD sockets are on the sides rather than bottom dead center, which I suspect causes a slight cant when I relax into the prone position. (it could also have been an elbow-under-rifle deficiency, I haven't yet ruled that out)

[KProctor]

I recently scored Rifleman using this sling on Stages 1 and 2 (and a GI web sling for the remainder). Here's my 2 cents.

Having the chest contact from hasty on Stage 1 without having to readjust my GI sling was convenient. Being able to establish a loop while also maintaining full connectivity was vital to executing a quick yet safe transition to a stable position on Stage 2. My rifle balances at the center of the magwell, several inches behind my support hand, so with a GI sling the muzzle was eerily wobbly when dropping to seated the only way I know how (namely, by stepping my trigger foot behind the other foot, initiating a knee bend, and falling - a motion I cannot do in reverse so as to save my index point), and my kneeling position is thusfar unacceptable. By contrast, pushing away from the RLS sling made the muzzle "snap" to position and stay there as I dropped to seated. At the same time, this wasn't worthwhile for the remainder of the AQT: dropping to prone is more straightforward than to seated; the RLS seemed very able to loosen whenever I detached it from my rifle and left it on my arm; there seemed to be a component of the sling tension that pulled the loop down towards my elbow; and my rifle's rear QD sockets are on the sides rather than bottom dead center, which I suspect causes a slight cant when I relax into the prone position. (it could also have been an elbow-under-rifle deficiency, I haven't yet ruled that out)

If I read your post correctly then it seems like you are keeping the rifle sling attached to your arm and using the qd points to disconnect from the rifle between stages. I call this method the lazy rifle method for gi sling users. Though no disrespect or disapproval is intended. The rls sling is designed so that the slider can rapidly adjust to the tension you need it to be at, which of course is dependent on which postion you intend to shoot from.

If you are using your qds to detach the rifle from yourself I would recommend trying to loosen the slider and pulling yourself free of the rifle when the cease fire is called.

1. The rls sling is designed for the person using it to customize its overall length as well as its loop to the users preference. Getting the loop portion centered exactly where you need it for all the positions is entirely user dependent.

2. By using the slider to provide tension you will find that you can find the sweet spot to maximize support before reaching the territory of over extended and canting the rifle. Thus benefits the user by having the ability to tighten the sling to each position quickly and efficiently more so in my opinion then using a gi sling with sharpie marks for prone, seated and standing

During your preparation period adjust the slider to your desired tension and work some dry fire drills to ensure you're set up. I think that would help with some of the issues you mentioned during the prone stages.

It does take a bit of set up to make the rls work but it really shines for what our course of fire requires. Other limitations like it sliding down on nylon outerwear are a different matter but try leaving it attached and I think you may like the results