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mounting scope for prone(and everything)

Started by 631gold, November 18, 2020, 07:50:16 AM

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631gold

I have a scope on the way for my LTR 10/22 the scope I ordered is a Leupold VX-Freedom 3 x9x33AO. I understand when shooting prone I may have trouble with my face being too close how do you reach a good compromise with mounting the scope so it is usable for all three positions and what tips and such can anyone share. Thanks Rex

cwcdl79

I use a dnz freedom reaper that pushes the scope forward.

Catch-10-22

I recommend the EGW rail with a 20 MOA in rise. You can mount the scope forward enough and will have enough adjustment range for our 200 yard rimfire events. $35-40 on most websites and totally solid.

Ricochet Rabbit

Quote from: 631gold on November 18, 2020, 07:50:16 AM
I have a scope on the way for my LTR 10/22 the scope I ordered is a Leupold VX-Freedom 3 x9x33AO. I understand when shooting prone I may have trouble with my face being too close how do you reach a good compromise with mounting the scope so it is usable for all three positions and what tips and such can anyone share. Thanks Rex

I have found that if I mount the scope far enough forward for proper eye relief in prone (including correct position, turkey neck, etc), I have no problems picking up proper eye relief in the other positions. This usually involves some sort of rail, because the standard mounting points typically do not permit the scope to be mounted far enough forward. Having said that, it IS posdible to shoot with a scope mounted further back than it should be. However, your position will not be nearly as comfortable, you will be using more muscle, and your performance will likely suffer. So, should your scope position prevent you from coming out and enjoying an event? Nope. If you have the option, should you mount your scope for proper eye relief and position in prone? Absolutely.
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Ricochet Rabbit

Quote from: 631gold on November 18, 2020, 07:50:16 AM
I have a scope on the way for my LTR 10/22 the scope I ordered is a Leupold VX-Freedom 3 x9x33AO. I understand when shooting prone I may have trouble with my face being too close how do you reach a good compromise with mounting the scope so it is usable for all three positions and what tips and such can anyone share. Thanks Rex

Also, keep in mind that the magnification setting of your variable power scope may impact the eye relief. I have found that, with my scopes anyway, higher magnifications require more precise eye placement, while, conversely, lower magnifications are much more forgiving. Many shooters use the lowest magnification for stages 1, 2, and 3, and then will increase the magnification for stage 4. I usually set my scope up on the highest magnification in prone, and then the lower settings provide even more leeway when I assume the other positions.
"The most natural and eligible mode of attack on the part of the people is that of detached parties of bushmen who from their adroitness in the habitual use of the firelock suppose themselves sure of their mark at a distance of 200 [yards]." - Thomas Gage, March 4th, 1775

"Good intentions will always be pleaded for every assumption
of authority. It is hardly too strong to say that the
Constitution was made to guard the people against the dangers of good intentions. There are men in all ages who mean to govern well, but they mean to govern. They promise to be good masters, but they mean to be masters." - Daniel Webster

"When all connection, upheld by commerce, with the mother country, shall cease, it may be suspected that an independency of her government will soon follow." - Thomas Gage

Catch-10-22

Great point RR! We had a couple shooters struggling with eye relief this past weekend - turning down the power was a revelation to them and worked each time.

Moy

Quote from: cwcdl79 on November 18, 2020, 08:36:54 AM
I use a dnz freedom reaper that pushes the scope forward.

+1 for dnz freedom reaper.  There are other forward cantilever mounts out there as well.  Precision Reflex makes one that's 0.08" lower than DNZ's, if you want a super low mount.  There's a lot of options for higher ones.

Also strongly agree on not using too much zoom.  The eye box is universally going to be smaller the higher the zoom.  This is true of all scopes, it's a matter of optical physics.  I think for my own run through appleseed I used no more than 3-4x.  I'm now running 4.5x, and it doesn't hurt accuracy one bit.


FiremanBob

I use the EGW extended rail. It works great. With a 10/22, you want the rear edge of the scope about even with the rear edge of the receiver. Another solution, but more expensive, is the Volquartsen cantilever rail that is attached at the rear sight dovetail on the barrel. An advantage of the VQ rail is that if your barrel is not perfectly in line with the receiver it won't cause a problem with windage.

The biggest problem with scopes and 10/22 stocks (and any stock that is designed for using factory iron sights) is that the comb is too low for a good cheek weld and you will need a riser.

I don't know about the Leupold, but my Nikon ProStaff Rimfire scopes are narrow enough that I can use low rings on the rail.
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Jerry Hall

Ditto to alot of what has been said...(set up your eye relief so that it will work in all 3 positions). Use the lowest magnification possible as it will work best with differences in physical characteristics of differing persons.

I run a 3"(three inch) extended Picatinny rail from Weaver, relatively inexpensive(less than $25.00, well machined and finished and pushes the objective lens far enough away from my eye (and forehead).

Jerry
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