22 KD with Tech Sights

[Slainte]

Hi all!

I haven't done a KD with the 22 yet. I have the TSR 100 but have no experience with the 200.
I have a new guy setting up a rifle and is asking me for advice before he buys his Tech Sights.

I am interested in how people are doing sight adjustments for come ups for a 100 yd KD with a 10/22 with Tech Sights. 

Like when are you flipping the rear sight on the 100?
Are you zeroing the rifle with the front sight on the 200 and then doing all your elevation on the rear sight? At what range for zero?
Anyone have experience with both?
What have the instructors seen?

Thanks in Advance
Slainte
Montana Rifleman
IIT2

[2 clicks low]

I have not done KD with a .22.
I have taken students from the 25 meter line over to the 100 yard line with their .22's and hung 4 moa steel. Only instruction I give is to come up 6 1/2 MOA if you are shooting standard velocity and 5 1/2 if shooting high velocity.
Seems to work.

2cl

[Charles McKinley]

I personally like the tech sight 100 better. 

The 200 is a PITA to adjust.  Their "tool" is a joke. A medium flat screwdriver works better for me.  I suggest coloring the indentations different colors to make it easier to confirm it has moved.

I also recommend going out and shooting it, adjusting the sights a set number of clicks (5, 10, X), shoot a second group, measure the change, divide by the number of clicks, convert to MOA.  This gives you the MOA per click with you barel length and thread pitch of the sights.  Do this for windage and elevation.

This is just experience from working with them on the line over the years.  My son's has only been used at 25m.

They are the best sights available for the money and ease of mounting.

Enjoy your rimfire KD.

[TrapperPete]

25 and 50 are easy they are the same as the 25m zero you have for 25m AQT or within a half inch of it

ammo varies considerably however past 50 yards

75 yards is generally  2.5 to 4 minutes  depending on the ammo

100 yards varies also but is generally about 6-8 minutes

the difference between the 0-2 leaf and the long range leaf is supposed to be 6moa but that changes if you have the shorter barrel carbine 10/22

your best practice is to take your ammo and your gun and hit the range with a minimum of 6 AQT  targets printed out you can print just the first page of the printable 25 meter AQT if you use ink saver on your printer they come out about right post them at 75 and 100 with a decent sized fresh cardboard behind them so when you are low you can measure and see just how far and get down and give it your best slow fire prone on each and see where you hit with a bottom edge hold then figure out what you will have to adjust form there flip the leaf for 100 yards
download of page 1 aqt https://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=9833.0;attach=12702

it is also convenient to have a roll of masking tape with to cover up the holes in your card board to make it last longer

I only have use the ts100 it works like a M16 A2 sight I find it convenient but your going to have to figure out where you hold there just really isn't time to adjust your front post up and down between stages

you may find it helpful to adjust to a 75 yard zero and run a bottom edge hold or very close to it for stage 1 and 2 center for 3 and flip the leave and bottom edge for 4 but it will take you trying it.

[TrapperPete]

on a 18 inch 10/22 with ts100 tech sights CCI-SV I gathered some numbers this morning
our club runs what is basically a Rimfire KD but you can use anything you want.

I ran the second AQT all in prone to get some data

25 and 50 were a bottom edge hold

75 I held  at the 4

100 I flipped the long range leaf adding what should be 6MOA and went back to a bottom edge hold , boy is that small it really does look a lot like the real thing at 400 yards you can see the results

temp was about 45 degrees.

I played around with a longer zero but I wasn't able to confirm 100 yards I ran out of time.

[TrapperPete]

I  got a chance to take some measurements on my other targets  it looks like making a 4 click/minute adjustment to the front sight post it isn't exactly 1 minute per click but close.

4 clicks up from my 25M zero , on the 25M I like to sight in on the 5 spot so that with a 6 O'clock hold I hit the middle of the square .

I had initially gone up 6 clicks and that was too much so I backed off 2 and shot some more test groups  that looked good at 25 , 50 , 75  but I din't have time to confirm at 100 yards however my group on the target in the picture with the hold at the bottom of the black and the group fell 5 1/2 inches low from point of aim with the leaf flipped to long range.

the front sight post follows the left hand rule , with your left hand point your thumb the direction you wish to change bullet impact , the direction your fingers point is the direction you turn , the Tech sights sight adjustment tool is very handy for this but it can be done with a small punch or improvised tool.

the tech sights sight adjustment tool is not the same as the Magpul or some of the current AR sights. Tech sights is running 5 clicks to a revolution and most of the ARs are running 4 clicks to a revolution. meaning they have 5 vs 4 notches on the tech sights post and tool where the ARs have 4

the AQT I shot with a scope was definitely easier .

[Caliper]

the tech sights sight adjustment tool is not the same as the Magpul or some of the current AR sights. Tech sights is running 5 clicks to a revolution and most of the ARs are running 4 clicks to a revolution. meaning they have 5 vs 4 notches on the tech sights post and tool where the ARs have 4

the AQT I shot with a scope was definitely easier .

Look around at the gun shows and you can find an AR front sight tool that has 4 prongs on one side and 5 on the other.  The 5 click/turn front post is from the original M16 with the round post before they went to the square front post and 4 clicks/turn. Then it will work on basically any AR or Tech Sight you come across.


Has anyone tested both TS100 rear sight settings on the same target at 25yd? Would be nice to confirm what the change in rear sight setting is without also having the added drop variable in there.  (I'd test, but last time I looked they don't make a TS100 for my Remington 597)


If I were setting up a 10/22, I would go for the TS100 because of the flip rear sight and because it sits lower on the receiver. The TS200 is high enough that some people will need a cheek riser.  Sight adjustments with the front sight aren't that terrible, and easier than using the TS200 rear sight elevation adjustment anyways. The TS100 can be adjusted entirely with the adjustment tool made for the original M16 which is pretty cool.  Either way, a rifle with Tech Sights, a sling and no extraneous bits looks very handsome!

[TrapperPete]

I was able to find the 4 pin on one side 5 pin on the other front sight tool  on amazon.