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IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« on: June 12, 2018, 10:18:29 PM »
No new shoots posted. Grumpy 1 is moving on getting ready for retirement. No one, of all the Red Hats is stepping up to fill his shoes as Shoot Boss.
Last shoot at Sara Spar had 33 shooters... There is interest in the program...

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2018, 10:27:08 PM »
I was pulled off fighting the anti-second amendment groups here in downstate new york.  I've been busy fighting them in the legislative chambers.  I could start coming to the shoots again to help out.  I'm an orange hat though.  Let me know how we're doing on red hat and orange hat numbers. 

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #2 on: June 14, 2018, 11:37:53 AM »
I would recommend getting in contact with your State Coordinator. 
Past that, I would have your PCs ready to go and go to as many shoots as you can.  Promote levels.  Build your team. 

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2018, 02:46:06 PM »
 Difficult question to answer, especially when there are many unknowns at this time.

 I know in the past that the IT corps has had set backs in getting and keeping ranges in NY. Some commercial ranges had changed their hours of operation and made it tough to run a decent event in the time allotted, even for 2 days. Another instance was a change to the layout of the berms at one range, making it an unsafe condition.

 The number of shooters that sign on show there is a need for Appleseed in New York, no doubt about it. Getting host ranges to commit and keep it available isn't as easy as you may think. State, county and sometimes local laws make it untenable.

 In Ct we lost one range, for this year, when it was discovered the backstop needed to be rebuilt. A few weeks later a tornado tore thru that area and did a number on the property, in general.  We've had others when when asked to host a shoot they opted out with busy schedules, already filled calendars, etc. It isn't easy to keep things running as would seem 'as usual'.

 I hope events can be posted this year for NY, as the northeast and the country at large needs them. Traveling to other states with various laws, travel and overnight accommodations make it hard on those who need and want to get active in AS.
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #4 on: June 19, 2018, 08:26:03 PM »
If lack of a venue is the problem I may be able to help....

 I recently attended my first ever Appleseed event, in fact I met SgtMarine in Proctor Vt. I loved the program and want to see if we can get it going locally.

I belong to a club that I might be able to offer up to host a match in northern Dutchess County. I will pitch it to the membership and see what happens.

Can you tell me what is expected of a club that hosts a match?

To my knowledge we have no Appleseed instructors in our club...that may change with time, but for now we will need some outside help.

Thanks!



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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #5 on: June 20, 2018, 12:15:09 PM »
Hey, how did you make out at Proctor? Sorry I had to leave at noon on Sunday. Fathers day and all...
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #6 on: June 20, 2018, 12:25:08 PM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

Do you think we have any instructors locally that would help out if I can get my club to agree to host?

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #7 on: June 20, 2018, 12:54:04 PM »
Do my best to find out. Will send you a PM
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #8 on: June 20, 2018, 02:14:55 PM »

Can you tell me what is expected of a club that hosts a match?

Thanks!

The first step is to get the club to agree. Next step is to fill out a 'Host Application' which shows the club is serious about hosting an event and gets the ball rolling.

You can PM me if you get to that stage and we'll get things going.

We expect the club to help get the word out to range members and to support us as needed. The instructors pretty much take care of everything at the events.
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #9 on: June 20, 2018, 02:39:04 PM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #10 on: June 20, 2018, 06:35:18 PM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

Do you think we have any instructors locally that would help out if I can get my club to agree to host?

Which club are you considering?
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #11 on: June 20, 2018, 08:17:22 PM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

A rifleman persists! Keep it up and remember to practice getting into position and dry practice at home when you can! You’ll get it, no doubt!

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« Reply #12 on: June 20, 2018, 08:24:06 PM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

Do you think we have any instructors locally that would help out if I can get my club to agree to host?

Which club are you considering?

I PMed you Grumpy.

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #13 on: July 12, 2018, 10:34:17 PM »
Ok, first hurdle cleared, my club has agreed to explore options for hosting a shoot. Im having trouble finding the link to the application though can anybody assist?

Thanks

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #14 on: July 12, 2018, 11:05:12 PM »
So, nevermind, found it about 12 seconds after i posted.  ;)

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #15 on: July 13, 2018, 12:19:02 AM »
Not bad, no patch this time but I learned a lot and really enjoyed the experience.  I'm looking forward to the next one.

A rifleman persists! Keep it up and remember to practice getting into position and dry practice at home when you can! You’ll get it, no doubt!


Oh, I will. Retired medic from where? Im an EMT with GRS in Columbia County.

I’m in Washington State, retired from an Evil Empire (AMR).

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #16 on: July 13, 2018, 06:13:54 PM »
There is a shoot in Slippery Rock PA this weekend.  It is about an hour from the PA-NY border near Erie.  Ther is another one in September.

Our numbers of shooters has benn terrible this year so far.
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2019, 12:15:24 PM »
Hello All, the wheels do grind slowly, but there will be an Appleseed Shoot in Dutchess County, NY hosted by the Neighbors Gun Club in Rhinebeck. 2 day event, last weekend in June 2019. Save the date! Details to follow.  :snipersmi

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« Reply #18 on: January 20, 2019, 12:49:29 PM »
Well...sadly I spoke too soon...due to lack of staffing the shoot will not be held. The range is ready, willing and able...but we need appleseed certified event staff. We are setting up the calendar for the year so I had to relinquish the dates we had set aside..any shoot bosses that would like to set something up let me know.  :(

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #19 on: January 20, 2019, 08:16:25 PM »
Is KDan still alive?

Come on NY dust off the hats.

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #20 on: January 20, 2019, 08:22:13 PM »
Well...sadly I spoke too soon...due to lack of staffing the shoot will not be held. The range is ready, willing and able...but we need appleseed certified event staff. We are setting up the calendar for the year so I had to relinquish the dates we had set aside..any shoot bosses that would like to set something up let me know.  :(

Sorry, what does "Appleseed certified event staff" mean?
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #21 on: January 20, 2019, 08:31:29 PM »
Monkey it means you get to full fill one of your stated 2019 Appleseed goals and Shootboss a shoot in New York! ;D ;D ;D
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #22 on: January 20, 2019, 08:32:35 PM »
For starters we need a shoot boss. Grumpy is not available and however many assistants they need.

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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #23 on: January 20, 2019, 08:38:23 PM »
Monkey it means you get to full fill one of your stated 2019 Appleseed goals and Shootboss a shoot in New York! ;D ;D ;D

No doubt, right?  When the opportunity presents itself... ;D

In all seriousness, I'd be willing to take a trek up there, if it helps regain a foot hold in disputed territory.

My schedule is currently open.

What's the proposed capacity gap?  I know a few folks that might could help...
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2019, 06:29:17 PM »
Well...sadly I spoke too soon...due to lack of staffing the shoot will not be held. The range is ready, willing and able...but we need appleseed certified event staff. We are setting up the calendar for the year so I had to relinquish the dates we had set aside..any shoot bosses that would like to set something up let me know.  :(

 BabyHuey, the best thing is to get the event listed a minimum of 60 days out, then a staff can be fielded for said event.

 Trying to get one, especially at a new venue, isn't easy and the more lead time available to set up and get staffed the better it will be.
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #25 on: January 24, 2019, 11:29:18 PM »
If you can get the event back on the schedule.

Get it listed on the Appleseed schedule.  It sounds like you have a Shootboss.  Put a post in the "Appleseed Jump Team" section that you need staff.  If you can't post there or it is no longer active we can get the word out and light a fire under some people.

If you don't have events and get new volunteers the mission will be lost in NY.  It will spread from there.  We are fighting Bloomberg and Soros in Pittsburg. !@#)

People can't sign up for a shoot that doesn't exist.
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Re: IS PROJECT APPLESEED DEAD IN NEW YORK?
« Reply #26 on: January 25, 2019, 12:22:42 PM »
 From the info I have there is an insurance issue with this range. Not 100% certain but  I have been keeping my eye on this matter.
 As already mentioned get the date set up and we’ll go from there.
Hopefully I’ll be up and running again by then (broken leg) and I’ll Shoot Boss it.
I might not be 100% but good enough to do what needs to be done with a few IIT’s and/or RH’s.


What is the name/location of the Club?
How many shooters can this range fit on the line?

First lets get a confirmed date. Late June sounds good. Get it on the schedule.
Once we have that we’ll build our Instructor Team.
Then we’ll promote the event.

Step by step.

Appleseed is NOT dead in New York.
It’s just been difficult with the legal issues thrown at us and the Ranges, Instructors having personal issues to deal with.

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