The CMP Will Begin Selling 1911s To The Public

[Dragon-Woods]

Who wants one?  THIS GUY!

http://bearingarms.com/cmp-will-begin-selling-1911s-public/

[Cable___Guy]

I do,
How worn out do you think they will be ?

[B.C.]

Mmmmm. I want. Worn or not.......

[Dragon-Woods]

Four? One is plenty. One for each hand that is!

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[Kosciusko]

I do,
How worn out do you think they will be ?

very worn

I've talked to a lot of vets, from the 60's to the 80's, when the 1911s were pulled and replaced by Beretta 92fs

All described them as loosey-goosey.    To be fair,  these pistols were made in WW II and shot, taken apart, cleaned, put back together countless times, rebuilt, and then cycled back into service for up to 40 years, 60 if it was a WW I pistol.

a couple VN vets said they actually used theirs in self-defense and were satisfied w/ the performance

expect any pistol that is all-original, worn out or not, to be diverted to CMP auction, just like the exceptional  Garands, 1903s, and M1 Carbines

IIRC, a WW II 1911 in decent shape fetches $800 and up

for that money, you can buy a Kimber and have more gun

you're going to pay to own a piece of  history, probably a lot


am I still tempted?     oh yes, most certainly.

[SKSRifleman]

I've talked to a lot of vets, from the 60's to the 80's, when the 1911s were pulled and replaced by Beretta 92fs

All described them as loosey-goosey.    To be fair,  these pistols were made in WW II and shot, taken apart, cleaned, put back together countless times, rebuilt, and then cycled back into service for up to 40 years, 60 if it was a WW I pistol.

I can second that. I was in the military not too long ago and we had a small lot of 1911's in the base armory that we would shoot in matches for our base marksmanship team. I believe the pistol I used was made in 1942 and was very well worn. Despite being worn, however, it was still fairly accurate and I shot the whole match with no hiccups and managed to finish 2nd place. I'm curious myself as to what condition these 1911's will be in. I imagine they will still be pretty reliable even though they may not be cosmetically appealing. I've always loved the 1911 and carry a Colt on my belt everyday.

[jmdavis]

With 1911's looseness, to a point, has a relationship to reliability. Tightness, to a point, relates to accuracy (assuming good ammo and a good barrel).

These guns will quickly get snatched up by collectors. For that purpose they are great. But there are only 100,000. That is not a large amount of 1911s.

The guns when sold will go for more than Springfield Mil Specs and Range Officers. If you want a new gun with the qualities of an original 1911A1. Buy a Milspec. If you want a good base platform for CMP EIC Pistol Competition, look at the Range Officer. Either may require some tweaking but either will be a better buy and better condition than what you will get from CMP.

If you want a collectors piece, they will be there.

For what its worth, I generally carry Glocks. Its hard to beat their reliability, price and accuracy.

[BeSwift]

Once CMP works out the details, they are authorized UP TO 100K pistols, and authorized to sell UP TO 10,000 per year only..    It'll likely be awhile before we know any more details... Don't get me wrong, this is better than them going to be destroyed, but the supply/demand equation will be a big factor in what we end up paying for an example.   BeSwift

[Engineer shooting]

The 1911s we had in the Army made good cow bells the parts were so loose.

Still want one.

[Maximum Ordinate]

I do,
How worn out do you think they will be ?

Significantly.  I remember cleaning 1911s for turn-in/exchange for new Berettas.  "Serviceable" is a broad term.  My Magic 8 Ball says most of what the CMP gets will be rack grade, some will be field grade, a few will be service grade.  Remember the old adage:  Service grade Garands are built, not found.  I expect the 1911s to be the same.  They'll swap parts to increase the number of SG pistols.

I'm not expecting an all night camp-out at Anniston at least for a year.  It'll take them a little while to train up & get equipped.  Then they strip the pistols, repair, swap parts, grade, test fire, and document before releasing for sale.  Some of the really ragged ones will probably get refinished and released like the M1 Carbines.

The CMP auction site will be the place to find most of the really nice 1911s, especially if they are early serial numbers.

[Leadslinger66]

I do,
How worn out do you think they will be ?

very worn

To be fair,  these pistols were made in WW II and shot, taken apart, cleaned, put back together countless times, rebuilt, and then cycled back into service for up to 40 years, 60 if it was a WW I pistol.

am I still tempted?     oh yes, most certainly.

Tempted? Yes. Drooling? Most certainly.

[azmule]

Not to be the cynic in the room, but the wording of this section doesn't exactly fill me with hope...

(h) AUTHORIZED TRANSFERS.â€"(1) Subject to paragraph (2), the Secretary may transfer to the corporation, in accordance with the procedure prescribed in this subchapter,

I think we're all familiar with the difference between the government use of  "may" vs. "shall" when it comes to citizens and firearms.  Yeah, it would be nice, but I'm thinking it's far more likely that somebody just pulled a fast one to get what they want in the NDAA.

[MostlyHarmless]

I'm heading to Anniston in three days for the Garand Advanced Maintenance Class.  I will share any rumours that I hear while I'm down there....

[nyrasgt]

Colleagues,

        While we wait for the "U.S. Property" 1911s to become available (would guess 2017 @ earliest) don't forget that, for the economical shooters and youth on your list,
the CMP is STILL selling Daisy 853s air rifles, single-pump .177 models including decent, plastic peep sights, slings, and, if you ask nicely, a package of the 5-round rubber
clips included with the 853C models.  Price is $100 (plus $8.95 shipping) delivered to your home - unless you live in the five boroughs of NYC.  Pellets are the only ammunition still available cheaply and can also be purchased from CMP and delivered direct to you - no "need an FFL" requirement.

Excelsior and merry/happy, etc.,
nyrasgt/MadMark

[maxwell]

the CMP is STILL selling Daisy 853s air rifles, single-pump .177 models including decent, plastic peep sights, slings, and, if you ask nicely, a package of the 5-round rubber
clips included with the 853C models.  Price is $100 (plus $8.95 shipping) delivered to your home

The website makes it sound like you need to be some part of a formal kids' program to purchase these http://thecmp.org/cmp_sales/rifle_sales/air-rifles/sporter-air-rifles/. Is that correct, or can anyone order them? (Sorry this is off-topic, but I've wondered…and I'm afraid I won't be able to justify one of the 1911s, but I'm eager to see them).

[Cable___Guy]

 MostlyHarmless

Did the rumor mill turn up anything ?

[TaosGlock]

Hopefully we can have an option to choose the year. I would love to have a 43' to match my M1 Garand!

[azmule]

TG,

Best avitar yet!   

[MostlyHarmless]

MostlyHarmless

Did the rumor mill turn up anything ?

Since you asked, yes it did.

The Advanced Maintenance Class is AWESOME. If you ever get the chance, do it.

The class started on fri morning when Mark Johnson, COO of CMP welcomed us all and gave us an overview of the goings on and future plans for CMP. Some interesting stuff (and another good reminder not to believe much of what you read on gun blogs.... ).

As for 1911s-

YES- the bill is now law. At the discretion of the secretary of the Army, the Army MAY transfer .45acp M1911s to the CMP. And what that means is that only now can the process necessary to do that be considered and created. And that is a long, complicated process. Mark fleshed out some details for what will have to happen before the first pistol could be received from the Army. Among other things, it will be entirely new facilities with an entirely new staff. CMP has never transferred a pistol- and they are not going to until they are absolutely ready. And of course they won't receive the first pistols from the Army until the Army is absolutely convinced that CMP is ready.

Mark did not seem interested at all in hazarding any kind of a guess at what a realistic time frame might be for pistols to become available. If it happens, it will happen when it happens. But from what he outlined, it seemed readily apparent that if everything went as well as could be hoped, it could not take less than several years. End of the decade, perhaps? Maybe longer?

If it happens at all. The law states that the Secretary of the Army has the option of transferring 1911s. But if the Secretary doesn't want to, nothing happens. SoA is a post that changes regularly. Sooner or later, some SoA someday will hopefully decide to let it happen. Could take two years, could take twelve. If the CMP is then ready with their I's crossed and T's dotted, then maybe the process can start. But it is not going to happen in time for Christmas.

[Kosciusko]

from wikipedia:

"The Secretary of the Army is nominated by the President and confirmed by the U.S. Senate."


what D senator  will vote for a nominee who indicates he will release 1911s to the public, NICs check be damned.    No nominee will get thru the process w/o being grilled on this.     They will have snowball fights in hell before you see a CMP 1911 for sale.


you want a .45 ACP pistol for Christmas?, try this one:

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/411555758

S&W M&P, 3 mags, LEO trade-in, $359 and free shipping

[MostlyHarmless]

what D senator  will vote for a nominee who indicates he will release 1911s to the public, NICs check be damned.    No nominee will get thru the process w/o being grilled on this.     They will have snowball fights in hell before you see a CMP 1911 for sale.

Could be. But remember, this was signed into law by a D president.

To my knowledge, every senator on the hill comes from a state where a citizen (with varying levels of state related hassles) can already purchase a 1911. CMP 1911s would change nothing with this regard. As Mr Johnson made it clear, buying a pistol through CMP will be more difficult than buying one from your local gun shop. Not only will you be subject to every federal, state, and local regulation already in place, but you will also have to pass CMP's background check, and provide proof of meeting the affiliated club membership and training requirements. All transfers will be through a local FFL as per federal regulation- there will be no Fedexed pistols on doorstops they way they do with Garands.

Sure, some senator could bother with some political grandstanding- that could always happen. But honestly the Army has enough challenges in the near and mid future that the fate of a few thousand pistols is likely not to rate terribly high to a potential incoming secretary. Personally I think the law getting signed was a more unlikely hurdle. But this topic brings us awfully close to modern politics....

[nyrasgt]

1.   To answer earlier Daisy 853 question, can be bought by ANYONE who has the $100 + $8.95 shipping...and Daisy has video walking users through changing seals, which are only wear parts...comes with decent, usable tgt sights w. interchangeable front apertures AND a (loop) sling.
      Hint:  if you ask politely, CMP will include 4-5  five-round rubber magazines that will replace the single-shot attachment - still have to pump for ea shot.

2.  Re "surplus" 1911s, will definitely take a while to get brand, new system up...and CMP will have to become/acquire an FFL, as handguns will, of necessity, have to be sent from FFL to FFL to satisfy the requirements of the BATF paperwork trail...
   
     Suspect, with limitations to annual sale, CMP may use same system they used for M1Cs and M1Ds, which they also had in limited supply to sell per year about ten years ago.
    Said system was a lottery that they had interested parties register into, and then pulled names "out of the hat" each year.  System worked, and I have
   the M1D complete with M84 scope and ALL accessories as proof.

3.  Besides the Daisy air rifles, another item that can be purchased now, in preparation for the eventual arrival of the 1911s:  CMP is currently selling 7-round 1911 magazines @ $8 each plus shipping - limit of 10. Remember the snooze proverb...

Excelsior,
madMark/nyrasgt

PS  Still could find a few embroidered, long-sleeved, button-down, denim shirts...

[smoakingun]

The Army was not the only service to field 1911s
I was still carrying one in the Navy in 1995. Did the bill not cover Navy 1911s?

[eaglescouter]

The Army was not the only service to field 1911s
I was still carrying one in the Navy in 1995. Did the bill not cover Navy 1911s?

If I remember correctly, all branches of the U.S. Military transfer their surplus firearms to the Army.

[jmdavis]

Navy Arms go to Crane. Thousands of M1's were destroyed by Crane. They are not required to transfer them to the Army or the CMP.

[Maximum Ordinate]

Here ya go, fellas...

Rack grade pistols starting at $1000.00 with prices going up from there.  No date projected for the pistols to be transfer from the Army.

http://www.alloutdoor.com/2016/01/19/a-cmp-1911-update-from-cmp-chief-operating-officer-mark-johnson/

[Kosciusko]

At those prices.   go for a Kimber Custom II and a bunch of Wilson mags.    You'll still have money left over for practice ammo.