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Rifleman boot camp needs
« on: December 18, 2014, 11:53:15 PM »
After reading the "what to bring " page I am still wondering what centerfire rifle is best suited for this event.  Are "magazine changes " under time constraints part of the course of fire?  If so,  an AR would be better than my model 700. If not,  the Remington would serve well with a better trigger and scope. Just curious. 

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2014, 12:05:03 AM »
The full distance AQT is generally just the same as the 25 yard AQT.  A Remington 700 will face a serious problem on an AQT, and that is the matter of adding cartridges.  However, I would encourage you to bring whatever rifle you enjoy shooting, and don't let AQT worries push you around.   :)
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2014, 12:26:24 AM »
I always like to be as well  prepared as I can.  So for my first Appleseed  I had a roll of vet wrap and some pipe insulation ready when my  cheek weld proved  too low and enough for others too. I just hate struggling with equipment issues when with some planning I can restrict the problems to the nut behind the trigger!

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2014, 08:40:42 AM »
The AS course of fire is more easily shot using a semi auto rifle with magazines.  There are time constraints and while I have seen people shoot Rifleman scores with bolt actions, they were more advanced shooters using mil-surps and loading from strippers.
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If you are using iron sights then an AR with A2 length (not necessarily barrel length) sights would be my first choice.  Followed by an M14, Garand.
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If you are using optics then an M4gery is adequete.
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That being said:  If all you have is a Remington 700 then you can bring it and you will at least get some experience shooting it out to 400-500 yards and get good dope on your rifle.
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2014, 12:24:10 PM »
Thanks, I think I have everything I'll need. As a side note, I saw a mention of a handgun,  owb holster and 250 rounds of ammo.  Is that a different type of event?

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #5 on: December 21, 2014, 02:38:40 AM »
Thanks, I think I have everything I'll need. As a side note, I saw a mention of a handgun,  owb holster and 250 rounds of ammo.  Is that a different type of event?

Ramseur occasionally hosts pistol-only events on a beta test basis.

All of our rifle events -- including our Rifleman Boot Camps -- are days for you to learn about your rifle without any distractions.  You will not need a pistol.  We do ask that all firearms be left in your vehicle until the morning safety briefing is complete.
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2014, 12:13:08 PM »
Thanks for clearing that up. I really like the idea of the RBC.

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2014, 01:13:08 PM »
If you are thinking of the March event at Ramseur, make sure that you have clothes for cool, wet and warm weather. Temps could go from the 20's at night to the high 60's or 70's in the day. Layers are good and goretex can be your friend (it can stop the rain and the wind while still breathing and being warm). A wool shirt never hurts either if you have one. If not some polypro long underwear will help keep you warm and dry.

Ammo needs can change, but I was always able to get by with 500 rounds of 22 and 150 of Centerfire. That gave me enough ammo for exercises and AQT's with rimfire and centerfire. There is certainly nothing wrong with more though.

In all probability you will be a rifleman and looking forward to practicing what you learned at 25 yards on the KD Range by Wednesday.
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #8 on: December 22, 2014, 02:53:54 PM »
If you have them, bring extra rifles and ammo
I did the RBC at Ramseur in '08 and had cycling trouble with my Ruger 10-22
so I shot most of the 25 meter AQTs with an open sighted AR15; glad I brought enough ammo
bring what you got for the long range shooting; again if you have more than one it is fun to get your zeros with a few of them

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2015, 09:03:31 PM »
If you are thinking of the March event at Ramseur, make sure that you have clothes for cool, wet and warm weather. Temps could go from the 20's at night to the high 60's or 70's in the day. Layers are good and goretex can be your friend (it can stop the rain and the wind while still breathing and being warm). A wool shirt never hurts either if you have one. If not some polypro long underwear will help keep you warm and dry.

Ammo needs can change, but I was always able to get by with 500 rounds of 22 and 150 of Centerfire. That gave me enough ammo for exercises and AQT's with rimfire and centerfire. There is certainly nothing wrong with more though.

In all probability you will be a rifleman and looking forward to practicing what you learned at 25 yards on the KD Range by Wednesday.

I have shot at least 500 rounds of 22, but will probably need 700 rounds or more of 223. Luckily a couple of shooters brought extra and are willing to sell at a decent price. I hate to be unprepared. There are still three days left.  I'll have a better after action report soon.

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2015, 09:11:58 PM »
It's tuesday and you've shot 500 rounds of 22 and need 700 more of .223?
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #11 on: April 01, 2015, 10:10:15 PM »
Luckily I am wrong.  The round count drops once you transition to the kd side. I had expended 240 rounds of 223 on Tuesday and was led to believe that the round count rate would stay the same. Luckily again there are some very gracious people here who brought an excess amount and are willing to let me buy what I need.  Having a great time learning my elevation changes and seeing hits on targets out to 400 yards. 

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #12 on: April 02, 2015, 07:21:44 PM »
I ended up using 500 rounds of centerfire ammo in three days, two of them on the KD range. I sat out a few aqt's due to allow myself to rest, so I could have been well prepared with 700 rounds total.  Not sure if I'll shoot tomorrow as I accepted an orange hat. Had a really great time with fantastic people and will definitely recommend it to anyone who has been to an Appleseed,  or does a little homework to be prepared.

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #13 on: April 02, 2015, 09:35:33 PM »
OK, so now the questions. Did you KD qual? Do you have your zeroes from 100-460 yards (the farthest popup if memory serves)? Do you know the width of your front sight in MOA? Can you use your front sight as a range finder (or reticle if shooting a scope). Do you know your come ups from 25m to your 300 yard or 200 yard zero? How many clicks from bottom are your zeroes for 100, 200, 300, and 400? If you are shooting a leather 1907 sling, do you know your settings for sitting and prone? Is your BSZ marked or do you know the number of clicks it is from bottom?

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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #14 on: April 02, 2015, 10:25:07 PM »
Too many questions. No to the kd qual, best score 187. Not to make excuses,  but eyesight is a factor,  as is knee pain.  Shot a 246 short range. Paid attention,  took lots of notes. Figured out elevations a little too slowly for my tastes,  missed the part about going from that 25m zero to 100 yards  (minus 4 min). Ended up shooting an extra aqt before I realized my mistake. 
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Re: Rifleman boot camp needs
« Reply #15 on: April 03, 2015, 04:46:48 PM »
Too many questions. No to the kd qual, best score 187. Not to make excuses,  but eyesight is a factor,  as is knee pain.  Shot a 246 short range. Paid attention,  took lots of notes. Figured out elevations a little too slowly for my tastes,  missed the part about going from that 25m zero to 100 yards  (minus 4 min). Ended up shooting an extra aqt before I realized learned from my mistake.

fixed it!  ;)
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« Reply #16 on: April 03, 2015, 06:22:26 PM »
Exactly!  I was frustrated until I realized that I have not done this before,  and with the instruction I had received,  was figuring it out!

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« Reply #17 on: April 10, 2015, 10:23:10 PM »
One last update.  I shot very close to 500 rounds of 22 on the first two days,  and 500 rounds of 223 for the rest of the event.  I sat out a couple of AQT'S  on the kd range due to eye fatigue.  I could have possibly gone through 700 rounds if I had taken every opportunity to pull the trigger. The things I was glad I brought - moving blanket under my shooting mat.  Elbow pads. Sunscreen. Lots of water.  Comfortable folding chair. Notepad and pen. Stapler with extra staples.  Masking tape.  Sharpie markers. Rain gear.   The round count drops once you get to the long distance range.  But next time I get to go to Ramseur,  I'll have 1000 rounds of 22 and another 1000 rounds of 223. Two mags for each caliber would be plenty.  One more thing.  I had an outstanding time! And I'll go again.