New rifle optic that claims to give a hit one shot perfection?

[Whippet]

I don't know if this is the correct board for this, but I thought everyone might want to see the tech.
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/see-the-new-intelligent-rifle-that-claims-to-give-you-a-perfect-shot-every-time/

[hinermad]

Looks like a live fire video game. (grin)

I suspect it's using pattern recognition on the video to know when it's lined up on the spot you tagged. That's fine as long as the image doesn't change. But for a target moving through or behind cover I wouldn't expect much. For shooting at static targets it'd be helpful.

I have to wonder of that sight includes a rangefinder to correct for drop, and also if it can correct for wind.

Dave

[AFTERMATH]

I've got to ask, if you can keep it on target long enough to 'tag' it - Would you not be able to just squeeze the trigger instead?
It's like squeezing the trigger twice.  Who's got time to squeeze the trigger twice?


They'd be much better off just coming up with a good scope that can learn the DOPE for a given round and make automatic adjustments for it.

[techres]

Post accident comment made to officer and repeated in court:

Defendant: "It just went off on it's own!"

DA: "Really?"

Defendant: "Yeah, I paid $4000 just so it would!"

So, to review:

Target Acquisition issues (has to fit the software ID ability)
Range Estimation (assume it has a rangefinder)
Drops (that is the easy part of the software so long)

Assuming the target is not moving, out in the open, does not confuse the software (like a smile can blow up the BMV), then you have an optic that adds legal liability and removes your control of the rifle.

I'd rather just have two more M1A's in trained rifleman hands and of the three of us, two/three are gonna get first shot hits...

[ID_Hezekiah]

I've got to ask, if you can keep it on target long enough to 'tag' it - Would you not be able to just squeeze the trigger instead?
It's like squeezing the trigger twice.  Who's got time to squeeze the trigger twice?


They'd be much better off just coming up with a good scope that can learn the DOPE for a given round and make automatic adjustments for it.

Ronnie Barrett did that some time ago with his BORS - it mounts on a scope and does all the drop dope - you still have to handle wind drift yourself:

http://www.gunblast.com/Barrett-BORS.htm

[SteelThunder]

I rue the day when "riflemen" are relegated to nothing more than placing a crosshair on the appropriate pixel on the display and clicking a mouse.

What did Obi Wan say?  "An elegant weapon for a more civilized age..."

[hinermad]

I've got to ask, if you can keep it on target long enough to 'tag' it - Would you not be able to just squeeze the trigger instead? It's like squeezing the trigger twice.  Who's got time to squeeze the trigger twice?

Tagging can be undone if you see you tagged the wrong spot. It also doesn't mess up your shot if you jerk the tag switch.

As far as unintentional discharges, I suspect (or at least hope) the user has to be pulling the trigger or otherwise telling the gizmo that it's okay to shoot. If not, the manufacturer is in for a lifetime of lawsuits.

Dave

[Grindstone]

How did this get in the Michigan forum?

It also would need some way to measure wind conditions, ideally with a sense for ground effect wind vs. conditions for the overall flight path.

[Whippet]

I put it here. Being a newbie I wasn't sure where to put it and I figured most of the Appleseed folks I have met in Michigan would find the technology interesting. In addition to the tech being pretty cool, I was hoping that the concept itself would stimulate some conversation about proper technique vs tech toys.

[Charles McKinley]

Burris has a rangefinding scope that gives you an illuminated hold over dot. ~$800
It take inclanation into account as well as discance.
http://www.burrisoptics.com/laserscope.html

Have one that claims wind doping as well but havent looked into it much.

In a recent NRA store email they have a balastics calculator that is inexpensive. $38!
http://www.nrastore.com/nrastore/ProductDetail.aspx?p=SA+22370&ct=e

Went and got links for you.  Night

[Whippet]

Thank you Stand,

My inner nerd really likes all the high-technology (iSnipe, AQTCalc, ShotTimer and SniperMilDot on iPhone) and I will check those out, but as a newbie I am still reveling in the fact that NPOA and the Six Steps work so well without any "toys".

I understood the theory that all the stuff we learned at 25m would apply at longer distances with "big boy" rifles, but Zach and I had never shot anything beyond 100 yards. The fact that we were both able to consistently hit on the 200 yard KD by just following the Six Steps still surprised me. Imagine that, if someone listen, learns and applies...it actually works.

[ItsanSKS]

Technology-Based Marksmanship.  Humbug.

You can hand all the gizmos you want to a poor marksman, and they'll still be a poor shot.  Hand a Rifleman a rack grade rifle with surplus ammo, and he'll consistently ring steel at 500 yards. 

[Whippet]

I am truly excited to try a KD event at some point. I did the Google Maps thing and measured out 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 700 yards from my driveway and 1,000 and 3,000 yards at Stony Creek Metropark. While looking at something 500 yards away, the fact that I could (theoretically) hit it with some consistency is very exciting and still somewhat unbelievable to me.

After shooting 200 yards at Lapeer, I take it on faith that the other distances work just like we are taught, but until I actually get to shoot at 400 or 500 I guess I will still have a little "Doubting Tommy Gun" left in me. I have a friend with a new Bushmaster BA50 that I would LOVE to apply some six steps and see what happens. I have no idea where I could actually try a 1,000 yard shot, but I would really like to try.

[TaosGlock]

 Sheeesh, anything to avoid real marksmanship, rifleman skills and down in the dirt type of learning.
For that price one can almost buy a GI spec M1A, 1000 rds. NATO spec ball. Then throw in a 2 day Appleseed and a 2 or 3 Day KD type camp and create nearly 10 Rifleman!
Something that won't crap out on you at the moment of truth.

[crak]

 I'm in this business.  The simple fact is an electronic trigger blows the pants off anything a human can do even tripod mounted.  But the chest pounding is adorable, so please continue.   

[K98Al]

Who needs these silly techno weapons. REAL MEN shoot smoothbores! (flintlock, of course)

Just kidding - if it works, use it!

[fisherdawg]

I don't know much about history or geography, but I do know this:
1.  I'll never be able to afford the illustrated system;
2.  I bought my first rifle in May 2011;
3.  I attended my first Appleseed in June 2011;
4.  I now a own a CMP rifle;
5.  At the end of the KD in October 2012 is was making consistent hits at 517 yards with GI aperture sights;
6.  I'm 54 years old with astigmatism and presbyopia (progessive bifocals people);
7.  Physically, I'm not in the shape I should be;
8.  I've done it, so can you. Drop the excuses and get to drying firing and get to Appleseed;
fisherdawg

[2 clicks low]

What do you do when the battery dies?
What about a quick shot, no time for 2 squeeeeeeeeeeezes?
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