10/22 Liberty Training Rifles -- Good for Appleseed AND for your budget!

[douglas34474]

Even with shooting glasses I have a problem with focus, front sight or rear, does not matter.

Someone posted a link to EYEPAL. I don't work for them or anything like that. It WORKS.

It's a piece of black cling film with a pin hole aperture that sticks to your prescription or shooting glasses.

NO BULL, when I use it I can clearly see the front sight AND the rear. The rear sight, instead of being a large blurred ghost ring that I have to guess at where the front sight should be, becomes a clear ring that frames the front sight. The 'ears' on the Tech Sight front sight just fit inside it.

I went to the local range last Wednesday and tried it out. Even with my 58 year old eyes, with astigmatism and Diabetes, I was tearing the centers out of 1" squares ar 25 yards.

Even the target comes into focus. 

If you are having problems with focus you may want to check it out.

HTH

Douglas

[BaldDragn]

The rear sight is a "ghost" ring for a reason and should be blurry, I agree. The problem is I'm seeing fuzzy lines and dots inside the ring, and therefore obscuring the front post and target...

You can do a test to find out if it's a problem with the sight or a problem with your eye. Get out your box of drills and find one that just fits through the hole in the rear sight. Be careful not to damage it. Then using that same drill, drill a hole in any small piece of thin metal, a coin might work. Now, holding your newly drilled aperture at the same distance as your rear sight would be, see if you get the same effect that you do when you look through the Tech Sights. Also you might want to try smaller apertures with brighter light sources and see if the effect increases.

The brightness of the daytime sky also causes the eyes' pupils to contract, reducing the aperture, which makes floaters less blurry and easier to see.

It's possible that the small aperture of the Tech Sight is having the same effect as a pinhole camera, bringing into focus things you would not normally see, like floaters inside your eye. Everybody has them to some degree, and most of the time they are totally harmless, but if you have enough to obscure your vision when looking through a small aperture it may be time to see a professional about it.

[SkyDaver]

It's possible that the small aperture of the Tech Sight is having the same effect as a pinhole camera, bringing into focus things you would not normally see, like floaters inside your eye. Everybody has them to some degree, and most of the time they are totally harmless, but if you have enough to obscure your vision when looking through a small aperture it may be time to see a professional about it.

I've got what I consider bad floaters, and I find it very aggravating that there really isn't a proven technique that can help. 

[Rhodes]

Even with shooting glasses I have a problem with focus, front sight or rear, does not matter.

Someone posted a link to EYEPAL. I don't work for them or anything like that. It WORKS.

It's a piece of black cling film with a pin hole aperture that sticks to your prescription or shooting glasses.

NO BULL, when I use it I can clearly see the front sight AND the rear. The rear sight, instead of being a large blurred ghost ring that I have to guess at where the front sight should be, becomes a clear ring that frames the front sight. The 'ears' on the Tech Sight front sight just fit inside it.

I went to the local range last Wednesday and tried it out. Even with my 58 year old eyes, with astigmatism and Diabetes, I was tearing the centers out of 1" squares ar 25 yards.

Even the target comes into focus. 

If you are having problems with focus you may want to check it out.

HTH

Douglas

THanks this looks great going to order a rifle set soon as possible.

[douglas34474]

I ordered the combo pack; one rifle and one pistol.

My performance with the 1911A1 also improved.

HTH

Douglas

[dond]

I'm having a problem with blurriness and floaters in the rear ghost ring of my Tech-sights. The fuzzines obscures the target and front post and is becoming frustrating. Moving my head forward or back does not correct this problem. Anyone else experience this?

Notarex, I think your problem has been dealt with in another set of posts. Check out my response to it at this location: Road to Rifleman>Skill Sets of Shooting>Ever wonder what that little dark spot in the rear sight is?

[notarex]

Thanks dond- I passed my rifle around at the last Appleseed I was at and no one else saw that black dot or the "webs", must be my eyes- I wear corrective lenses  . It's frustrating to the point that I'm thinking of switching to a 2X scout scope...

[dond]

Perhaps everyone else ought to get corrective lenses.    I've got a scout scope on my M1A Scout. It's nice. 

[gunville]

I think somewhere in here was burried that you can use an A2 rear apperature on a tech-sight.

Is the front sight also A2 compatible?

I'm picking up an NM front sight (I can't stand that square thing) for my AR15, and was thinking of getting a second for my 10/22 tech-sights.

[Dave W]

I bought the eyepals as mentioned earlier in this post, they do work quite well.
the shipping was fast, and buying them online was easy. I have scaring of the cornea and while they do not make my vision perfect thay are a improvement over my glasses.

now I just need to get out to the range and try them out.

[MCKNBRD]

I think somewhere in here was burried that you can use an A2 rear apperature on a tech-sight.

Is the front sight also A2 compatible?

I'm picking up an NM front sight (I can't stand that square thing) for my AR15, and was thinking of getting a second for my 10/22 tech-sights.

Yep.  Any AR sight (A1 or A2) will work on the T-S.  Just make sure you have the proper sight adjustment tool!

Byrdman

[Geddys Uncle]

Unforch, nothing makes "floaters" and "sinkers" and other optic debris go away.

those are actually the leftover cell membranes of red blood cells and other microscopic structures that literally are afloat in your eyeball fluid...old injuries and traumas that you experienced in your wild, reckless and, dare I say, checkered past  coming back to haunt you....as they randomly travel around, trapped inside your eyeball, at any given moment a few dozen are going to be right there where they'll interfere with the lens-focus image on your retina....and there are a few thousand others that are NOT right there in that zone, but, they contribute to an overall level of fuzziness that no pair of glasses can quite fix.


I guess if you could have your eyefluid drained and replaced, like motor oil, or transmission fluid, you could get rid of floaters.

Unfortunately, Jiffy Lube won't change peeper-fluid.

[gunville]

Has anyone rigged up a homemade eyepal?

I had no luck with a piece of paper -  I punched a hole, but I think it was too large with rough edges - it didn't work - I had fuzzy edges that were more of a distraction, plus I was using a fairly crumby pair of shooting glasses at the time. (plus I wear contacts - but they can't correct everything.)

I want a proof of concept before I plunk down $25 for cling-on sticker...

[Rhodes]

It works the principle is of reducing you aperture reduces errors in optics. Common use in telescopes and other optical devices but what puzzles me is why I didn't think of it. I beleive the opening has to be 7mm and very precise to work correctly but I using an old brain to recall this.

[Old Dog]

I've noticed something similar (not with an aperature sight or something on my glasses).  Sitting in my recliner I have to wear glasses to read the time on the cable TV box or VCR.  One day I noticed, while drinking a cup of coffee and looking over the top edge of the cup, that the numbers were clear and easily readable.  Drop the cup, the numbers blurred, raise the cup (which obscured the majority of my field of view) and the numbers were nice a clear again.  There is a scientific explanation for why blocking most of your field of view "sharpens" up your blurry vision but it's something I read and the details didn't matter enough to me to stick with me.

But it works.

[Geddys Uncle]

Has anyone rigged up a homemade eyepal?

I had no luck with a piece of paper -  I punched a hole, but I think it was too large with rough edges - it didn't work - I had fuzzy edges that were more of a distraction, plus I was using a fairly crumby pair of shooting glasses at the time. (plus I wear contacts - but they can't correct everything.)

I want a proof of concept before I plunk down $25 for cling-on sticker...

instead of a piece of paper, use a piece of black garbage-bag plastic, and attach it with electrical tape....for really tidy holepunching, sandwich the plastic between 2  pieces of cardboard, in order to reduce the tendency of hole-edge distortion.

use whatever amount of e-tape you need, to obscure as much, or as little of your glasses-lens as you need.  at the end of the day, a small amount of gun oil, followed by alcohol (EXTERNALLY!!!!) will remove any pesky adhesive from your glasses....I suppose you COULD use rubber-bands, as well, thereby avoiding the pesky-adhesive issue entirely, but, I'd expect wiggling in wind.

If you're REALLY, REALLY crafty/handy, you could rig up a pressing jig that will allow you to drill thru a sandwich of wood/cardboard/plastic/cardboard/wood....using that, you could make a pile of'em with different-sized, really neatly cut apertures, and then you can figure out which one's best for you.




you can buy a LOT of garbage bags and electrical tape for $25

[yellowhousejake]

What about a cheap pair of flip up sunglasses? Remove one lens, paint the other black and drill a hole through it.

?

DAve

[Bob Womack]

I've noticed something similar (not with an aperature sight or something on my glasses).  Sitting in my recliner I have to wear glasses to read the time on the cable TV box or VCR.  One day I noticed, while drinking a cup of coffee and looking over the top edge of the cup, that the numbers were clear and easily readable.  Drop the cup, the numbers blurred, raise the cup (which obscured the majority of my field of view) and the numbers were nice a clear again.  There is a scientific explanation for why blocking most of your field of view "sharpens" up your blurry vision but it's something I read and the details didn't matter enough to me to stick with me.

But it works.

The scientific name is "edge refraction."  As light passes by an edge, it is curved or refracted, changing the focal point of an object beyond that edge.  In WWII, my dad, who wears glasses, used it to almost be accepted into Naval Officer Candidate School.  On the eye exam, you were required to cover one eye with a card and read the chart with the other one.  He simply slid the edge of the card a little further past the bridge of his nose so that the eye being tested could look past the edge and use the refraction to bring the chart into focus.  He did the same for the opposite eye.  After passing several physicals, when he arrived at OCS, they administered one more eye test.  The old chief giving the test said, "Get that card over on the other side of your nose!"  Thus ended my dad's shot at OCS. 

Bob

[Junior Birdman]

I'm not sure what this has to do with a 10/22, but it IS pushing the post count ever closer to the magic 20 required!     Come on 44!!!

[gunville]

I like the flip-up sunglasses idea,

I'll try the garbage bag idea to figure out the hole size.

7mm?  all I have are SAE bits, but I'll try starting with 1/4", and get my LTR to the range to evalute (...trying to unhijack the thread.)

Junior - is this thread your only hobby?

[yellowhousejake]

Experimenting with paper on the outside of my prescription glasses showed the best size, for me, was a lot smaller then 1/4". In line with 1/32" to 1/16". A hole .032 thou gave me a clear sight picture on my LTR and my SMLE, the SMLE having a tangent sight and the LTR a Williams peep. (I said LTR twice, no three times).

I think I may try this when I dry fire my LTR tonight (FOUR times).

DAve

[Junior Birdman]

   Dangit!  Always a bridesmaid......

   I wouldn't call it a hobby. Vice, maybe. But not hobby. 

[gunville]

   Dangit!  Always a bridesmaid......

   I wouldn't call it a hobby. Vice, maybe. But not hobby. 

Gee... and I set you up so nicely!!!

Better be careful, the LTR thread in Northeast shooters forum is already 38 pages!  They're catching up.

[yellowhousejake]

Experimenting with paper on the outside of my prescription glasses showed the best size, for me, was a lot smaller then 1/4". In line with 1/32" to 1/16". A hole .032 thou gave me a clear sight picture on my LTR and my SMLE, the SMLE having a tangent sight and the LTR a Williams peep. (I said LTR twice, no three times).

I think I may try this when I dry fire my LTR tonight (FOUR times).

DAve

Bingo, get a cheap cling sticker, the kind for your car window that use no adhesive, I used my son's old parking sticker. Cut a piece the size of a nickle out and put a small hole through it (I used a hot, not red hot, .0032 wire). Simply press onto your eyeglasses and instant 20/20 vision. The small nickle size doesn't adversely affect general use of the glasses as it will be in the top corner of the lens.

I am 20/200 in both eyes and need bifocals. When I look down my SMLE I can see everything between the charger bridge and the target clearly. This will certainly need some experimentation, very promising.

DAve

[fepowered]

I have an update for the paint peeling issue.  Ruger is no longer painting the inside top of the receivers so there is nothing to peel.  I also verified that WalMart is no longer selling ANY 10/22s.

[Rhodes]

Experimenting with paper on the outside of my prescription glasses showed the best size, for me, was a lot smaller then 1/4". In line with 1/32" to 1/16". A hole .032 thou gave me a clear sight picture on my LTR and my SMLE, the SMLE having a tangent sight and the LTR a Williams peep. (I said LTR twice, no three times).

I think I may try this when I dry fire my LTR tonight (FOUR times).

DAve

Bingo, get a cheap cling sticker, the kind for your car window that use no adhesive, I used my son's old parking sticker. Cut a piece the size of a nickle out and put a small hole through it (I used a hot, not red hot, .0032 wire). Simply press onto your eyeglasses and instant 20/20 vision. The small nickle size doesn't adversely affect general use of the glasses as it will be in the top corner of the lens.

I am 20/200 in both eyes and need bifocals. When I look down my SMLE I can see everything between the charger bridge and the target clearly. This will certainly need some experimentation, very promising.

DAve

Good deal going to try this with some of those sun glasses cling strips thats always on them when you buy them, what gauge is that wire or what did you use for it and I will give it a try on my Ruger, AK, and Mosin to get a good sample group, cant use my prime LTR since the marlin has a scope on it now.

[yellowhousejake]

Bingo, get a cheap cling sticker, the kind for your car window that use no adhesive, I used my son's old parking sticker. Cut a piece the size of a nickle out and put a small hole through it (I used a hot, not red hot, .0032 wire). Simply press onto your eyeglasses and instant 20/20 vision. The small nickle size doesn't adversely affect general use of the glasses as it will be in the top corner of the lens.

I am 20/200 in both eyes and need bifocals. When I look down my SMLE I can see everything between the charger bridge and the target clearly. This will certainly need some experimentation, very promising.

DAve

Good deal going to try this with some of those sun glasses cling strips thats always on them when you buy them, what gauge is that wire or what did you use for it and I will give it a try on my Ruger, AK, and Mosin to get a good sample group, cant use my prime LTR since the marlin has a scope on it now.

I would think it depends on your eyes, but I found so far that .050 wire heated just warm enough to melt a hole through the cling sticker worked best. I will be trying out the sticker this weekend at the Cloverdale Indiana Appleseed.

DAve

[dwarven1]

And this has what, exactly, to do with the Liberty Training Rifle? 

[Junior Birdman]

   Well, if you're going to apply THAT standard........

[fepowered]

And this has what, exactly, to do with the Liberty Training Rifle?