10/22 Liberty Training Rifles -- Good for Appleseed AND for your budget!

[DaveD]

Why nobody uses the the front barrel band for their sling mounting.  I assume it causes accuracy problems maybe?  I have the rifle, sling, 6 mags and tech sight.  I have been looking at the clarke custom standard trigger kit, bolt release and mag release. Anyone have any experience with clarke custom trigger kits.  From their website the trigger kit mag release and bolt release will be $65.00 + SH.

Thanks Mike H

Just a note:  If you're mechanically inclined you can do the auto bolt release and extended mag release. (Not that they are that expensive to buy but just because you can do it yourself!)  Auto bolt release just requires a little file & polish work on the "bolt-hold-open" plate, the mag release  involves some drilling,  a  1/4 x 20 tap, and a 1/4" shoulder bolt.  Very inexpensive if you have the tools on hand.

usafe7ret

[colycat]

The only problem with the barrel band mount is finding the piece from Uncle mikes.  I now have 3 sets of 1"  detachable swivels.  This seems to be the only package with the barrel band mount.  #1461-2

Gander Mountain has all the 10-22's for $199.99 each.  We bought 2 yesterday, to lend out at AS shoots.

Colycat

[welder]

This seems to be the only package with the barrel band mount.  #1461-2....

Colycat

I bought two of the #1461-2 kits yesterday at a sporting goods shop. Last two they had.

A sling question...how far up from the back corner of the butt stock should I drill the hole for the rear swivel?

I want to fill the original hole and re-drill it because the person who drilled it the first time drilled it crooked. That person was me...over thirty years ago...dumb kids.

What's the best way to repair the bad hole..."plastic wood" or is there a better stronger type of wood filler?

If it were steel, I'd just weld it shut!

Also, has anybody tried the 1" black rubber butt-plate extender/pads that are available for five or six bucks on ebay?

Currently working on our two 10/22's for the next Appleseed in Northern N.Y. I found a couple of brand new nylon slings at a small gun shop for about five bucks each. I think they're AK slings. The package says "Grey Universal 1" 54" long w/hardware sling AK". They come with two adjustment buckles so hopefully they should work OK.

Thanks...sorry if these questions have been asked before.

[didactic]

I have been looking at the clarke custom standard trigger kit, bolt release and mag release. Anyone have any experience with clarke custom trigger kits.  From their website the trigger kit mag release and bolt release will be $65.00 + SH.

Conventional wisdom says to get or make an auto bolt release, and an extended mag release, add Tech-sights or some other kind of improved sights, add the sling swivels.  Front sling swivel on the barrel band or directly into the wood is an individual thing, some rifles like one better than the other.

Most recommend skipping a slicked-up trigger, this is a Liberty TRAINING Rifle.

Of course, no two are identical.  Nor do they need to be.  Your FRN's, your rifle, your choice.  If it gets you Appleseeding, it's all good!

[Old Dog]

Yes, I bought one of those cheap plastic butt stock extenders and it works great.  Make the rifle (carbine version) fit me much better.

I didn't mess with the trigger on mine.  It's a training replacement for my M1A/M1 rifles and they don't have match triggers on them so why have one on the 10/22?

I installed my rear sling swivel (used a US Enfield rear sling swivel) about 1.5 inches up from the end of the butt, that's where it looked "right" to me.

[colycat]

welder,

plasitc wood will work fine as long as you are not drilling right next to it.  You could try some epoxy and add a filler to it.  This would be the best fix.  Being a metal guy you prob. dont have access to some belt sander dust.  This is the best filler to add the glue.

cc

[Snake45]

Another good way to fill that hole would be with a piece of wood dowel. Drill the hole out to match the size dowel you have, coat the dowel up with glue, drive it in, when it's dry, cut it off and sand it to contour. Won't be pretty but will be hella strong!

[welder]

Thanks for the replies on my 10/22 stock repair. I ended up taking it to a guy I know who works on stringed instruments as a business. He builds all kinds of guitars, mandolins, etc., from scratch as well as repairs. Been doing it for over thirty years. He drilled out the boogered up area and glued in hardwood dowels. On top of that, he pieced in a rectangular piece of walnut and contored it to the original shape. The walnut he used is a bit darker than the walnut Ruger made the stock from 32 years ago, but I'm OK with that. I just want it to be functional...to hold the sling swivel stud in securely. He assured me it would. He didn't charge me much. It was worth it. One step closer to getting another LTR ready...

[Nickle]

I try to get the trigger down to somewhere between 2 1/2 to 4 1/2 pounds. 3 1/2 to 4 1/2 would be ideal, but sometimes too much comes off. And a 4 pound (+/- 1/2) comes close to many good Battle Rifles.

[KingBubbaTruck]

The only problem with the barrel band mount is finding the piece from Uncle mikes.  I now have 3 sets of 1"  detachable swivels.  This seems to be the only package with the barrel band mount.  #1461-2

I ordered a set of 1" from Midway.  Found they wouldn't fit the 1 1/4 slings.  Duh.

Ordered the 1 1/4" set, Got a note from Midway saying they've placed a purchase order with Uncle Mikes, but for some reason, they just can't get them to deliver.

I'm going to go ahead and get a set of 1" straps and call it good.

[KingBubbaTruck]

Was at Wally world today. They had some plain ole 1.25 strap hangers.  No screws, bolts or anything else.  Closing them out for 5$ a set.

[slim]

I was also at Wally World today... their 1/2 rack of shooting stuff (what is this country coming to?) was on close-out there too. Seems we have less and less a need for shooting supplies in this country.

We're on the way to doing something about that.....

[ann]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SearchResults.aspx?site=All+Products&num=10&q=22+recoil+buffer


would anyone reccommend this kit?  anyone used it?

[didactic]

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/SearchResults.aspx?site=All+Products&num=10&q=22+recoil+buffer


would anyone reccommend this kit?  anyone used it?

I just bought two, haven't installed them yet.  Christie & Christie has a good reputation.  The shock buffer, auto bolt release, and extended mag release are the three (action) accessories that conventional wisdom recommends for LTR's.  Other necessities for a full LTR are a sling and improved sights, of course.

[Wade]

The things I believe are most needed for 10/22 LTR GI web sling  and better sights tec sights best bet,
every thing else is just nice to have.

Wade

[ann]

great. i'm gonna at least get the kits installed on the two i have and get slings.  the tech sights are probably gonna have to wait a bit.  i doubt seriously i can get them in time for the november shoot in ga.  plus i know nothing about sights.  nothing.  i can probably do the kits tho.

[didactic]

The last Tech-SIGHTS I ordered were direct purchases, from the web site, and I got them pretty quickly.  Installation is quite easy, if you're comfortable with screwdriver, hex-wrench, and Loctite.  Most find the TSR-100 adequate for 25m zero, and simpler than the TSR-200.

[slim]

I called up to Tech-Sights on Thursday, ordered a set ("rush" shipping for $4 more...) and got them Monday. It's absolutely sure you'll get them before November, even if you order through the group buy... (check out the deals and steals section for more info on the group buy... 15% off!) And, they're very easy to install and use. They come with step-by-step instructions. (I'd bet someone on here could lend you a hand if needed.....)

As for other "accessories" for your 10/22 -

You will need one more magazine. Factory is fine but if you're going to buy aftermarket, go with the "steel-lipped" version of whatever kind you get.
A sling is the difference between being a dangerous cook and a Rifleman. No matter how well you shoot without a sling, a sling will help you immensely.
If your 10/22 is "loose" for mag changes, you should be OK. But, if it's like 90% of the 10/22s out there, a mag release extension is a good idea.

These are the only four things I personally feel are "necessary" to make a great LTR and all told, they're going to cost you around $100. Couple that with your 10/22 (for around $200) and you have an awesome trainer for yourself and others that'll run you about $300. Installation of the above items is pretty straight forward and "do it yourself" friendly. But if you have a question.... ask it here!

There are a million things you can do to your LTR and a million "accessories" you can add. But, no matter what you put on your rifle, it's not going to benefit you as much as following what you learn in Appleseed and practicing it. Once you've "mastered" (used very loosely... Always room for improvement!)the knowledge and put it to good use, then you can add a buffer and extracting claw, automatic bolt release, 2 lb. trigger, $275 barrel, $175 stock, $340 scope and of course, camo paint!

Or.... you can take all that money and buy a couple more "basic" LTRs to train your friends, family and countrymen with!

(And just for the record.... I've never once had a sore shoulder from the recoil of a .22. Even after shooting all day long! Buffers, shmuffers! I can see buying one if you're planning on shooting a million rounds through your 10/22 and you want to "save" the action, but the nice thing about the 10/22 is the average LTR shooter has more a chance of sore shoulder from rubber butt pad rub than actual recoil!)

[muxtek]

I installed the TSR 200 tech sights on my LTR. At my first AS it shot to the right 1&1/4" at 25 yards. How do I adjust them and how many clicks to bring POI to the left 1.25" at 25 yards? I want to make that adjustment first, shoot it from a rest, and tweak as necessary. I did purchase the adjustment tool, just not sure how to use it.

[Francis Marion]

Mux,
To move the POI to the left, you want to rotate the windage knob counterclockwise, as you look at the sight from the right side of the rifle. 
The windage screw/knob make one revolution in five 'clicks'. 
Suggest you print a group as is, don't make a windage change. 
Then, move the sight ten clicks, or two revolutions, counterclockwise, then print a second group.
Measure the distance between these two  group centers in inches. 
Divide that measurement by 10; that's the number of inches windage shift per click.
Then write that data down on a piece of paper, tape it to your stock. 
Do same experiment for elevation.


   

[Nickle]

Well, Tech Sight Front Elevation and Rear Windage values are about 1 MOA.

So, apply Inches, Minutes, Clicks and get your answer.

If you need help with that, either do a search here, or reply in this thread, and we'll explain it for you.

[slim]

If they would've covered MOA in math class, I might've paid more attention!

[muxtek]

Thanks Guys. I think I got it. Sighted it in yesterday and figured the tool out. I'm loaning my LTR to another shooter for Sunday 8/24 in Gibsonburg Oh. I plan to shoot it myself in Minerva in October. I know it was off and that didn't help my first go-round. Next time I want to score better and get in the game.

Too bad there's no handy tool to fix my npoa or follow through. 

[wcmartin1]

Too bad there's no handy tool to fix my npoa or follow through. 

There is - dry fire!

[johniim]

Has any one tried eagle mags in their 10/22 I got a couple at a gunshow a few weeks back and used them for the first time yesterday it seemed like almost every round had some trouble feeding but it did give me a chance for some ball and dummy drills but it made my 10/22 perform like a bolt action I might have to quit being cheap and buy some steel lips mags I have a friend that swears by them

[Will]

I have an Eagle 10 rd. that came with a rifle that I bought. I used it this weekend and shot 500-600 rounds, not one mag issue. That said, I have always had the best results with the simple Ruger 10 round magazines. They just work and if they "quit"...you take them apart, clean them, tweek the spring a little and they go right back to working. I have NEVER seen a bad factory mag..

[Old Dog]

I have four 10 round eagles and they seem to work pretty good.  I like the mag release button on the rear, makes it similar to my M1A.

[johniim]

The first 12 rounds fired flawlessly but on the second stage when I changed mags that is when the problems started it seemed to be stuffing every round to the top of the chamber the ones that didn't jam at least got shaved a bit I guess it's not fair to blame the mags I didn't ever try the factory mag and this was the first I shot the gun I think I'll have to play with it tonight when I get home

[slim]

I have some adjustable "steel lip" mags from Tactical-Inc.com. The first time I used them they were horrible. FTF, FTE, just problem after problem... then, I tightened the little screws all the way down (allen wrench included in package) gave 'em a 1/2 turn back, and have had exactly ONE misfeed since.

I was ready to throw them away but once I made the little adjustment I'm really, really thinking they were money well spent. (3/$100 at the gun show) They're a lot more sturdy than the Butler Creek or Eagle mags. From what I've heard, most 10/22 aftermarket mags seem to be "use 'em til they break" type mags. These are much better and will probably last a long time. They've been through 3 Appleseeds so far and done lots of "other" shooting as well, so they're already well past the Eagle standard of a couple hundred shots before they need replaced.

If you're going to spend some money on mags, I recommend the Tactical-Inc.com mags. They're pretty good.

And as said above, you can't go wrong with the factory mags either. (If you like doing mag changes every 10 shots!)

[johniim]

It's not the capacity that I don't like about the factory mags it's the flush fit that makes it difficult to get a grip when it's time to change mags