10/22 Liberty Training Rifles -- Good for Appleseed AND for your budget!

[Mark Davis]

Product rewiew for Tactical Solutions extended mag release. The cool looking one that wraps around the triggergaurd and almost looks like a Ruger#1 lever.
Don't know if anybody has reported this before.
It works good, to good! One afternoon at the range convinced me just a little finger drag across the back of the trigger gaurd drops your mag very neatly. (Murpy will insist this happens over mud hole) As range was frozen solid today it only happened while feeling for trigger after achiving NPOA.
FOR SALE one Tactical Solutions extended mag release.
                                  Clodhopper

[ax238]

Murphy...pfft.  He has had a hand in many of my adventures as well.  He is always spot on regarding most of the undertakings that I go through with.  Especially with my manual addition of the Tech Sight front sight.  He stated I would remove the factory in the wrong direction... of course... I did.  Figuring he was right, well, hated to disappoint.  Now shooting well, after a serious of 'touch ups'.

ax

[dwarven1]

At my local gunshop I saw a 10/22 for $129 - had a 5 digit serial number and looked like it'd been around for a while. The flip (rear) sight was marked Lyman, and it was canted to the right. It also looked like the FRONT sight was canted, too... it was a nice price, but I'm just not sure about the sights. I know that the rear will be replaced by a Tech-sight mounted on the reciever, but the front sight worries me. Anyone ever see something like that before? The barrel seemed securely mounted to the receiver, but how could the sights have gotten canted? And is there anything I can do about them without replacing the barrel?

[Snake45]

At my local gunshop I saw a 10/22 for $129 - had a 5 digit serial number and looked like it'd been around for a while. The flip (rear) sight was marked Lyman, and it was canted to the right. It also looked like the FRONT sight was canted, too... it was a nice price, but I'm just not sure about the sights. I know that the rear will be replaced by a Tech-sight mounted on the reciever, but the front sight worries me. Anyone ever see something like that before? The barrel seemed securely mounted to the receiver, but how could the sights have gotten canted? And is there anything I can do about them without replacing the barrel?

That is a hella price for a 10/22 in today's market, especially for one that probably has a walnut stock and metal buttplate instead of the birch and plastic of today.

BUY IT NOW--TODAY! Before someone else does!

Don't worry about the sights. When installing the barrel, it's possible to cant it a few degrees in either direction. This is almost certainly the case with yours. It would be 10 minutes work with a common Allen wrench to straighten it up, most likey.

And if not, stock 10/22 barrels are CHEAP. They are so commonly replaced that they're easily found for $20-25. If you ask at rimfirecentral.com, you might be able to find someone who'll be glad to send you a new, unfired factory barrel for the price of shipping. I know at least one guy over there who had so many of the things that he cut some of them up and made wind chimes out of them. True story.

[Old Dog]

10/22's are easy to tear down.  Pull it out of the stock and turn it over.  You'll see two small allen head screws that thread into the receiver through a v-block on the bottom of the barrel (one on each side).  These clamp the barrel to the receiver.  You can remove them and remove the barrel or just loosen them and "twist" the barrel back to where it "looks" right and retighten them. 

When I installed my tech sights my rear sight ended up way off to one side.  I took the barrel off, cut a half "moon sliver" shim out of soda can and slid it between the barrel and the receiver and then tightened the opposite side screw first to "twist" the barrel even farther to the right.  Now my rear side is much closer to the center of the base.

[bob 210]

I picked up one of those compact 10/22's that have a stock that is 2" shorter and a 16" barrel.......all the same modifications drop right in place! I had to drill the front of the stock for the sling swivel (better than the barrel band attachment anyway) because there is no barrel band. I took my buddy's 12 year old to the range yesterday and the shorter length of pull and lighter barrel made all the difference!! I recommend one of these for an LTR for our younger Appleseeders!!

[socalserf]

Does anyone know if the adjustable stock by Christies(the one with the pistol grip) is Cal. legal? Seems to me that it would be ideal for women and youngsters.
Serf

[tower59]

(1) Am about to "pull the trigger" on a 10/22. "For my son," I'm telling myself (he's just four), but I want to be ready, and I need to break in the rifle, right? I'm very tempted to go with the black synthetic stock and stainless steel version, just since it should last a little better with less need for maintenance, right? Or is it just a wasted $40? Thoughts? Anyone have this model and like it?
(2) With the synthetic stock, any problems with adapting it for the 1 1/4" official GI sling? Will screws hold in the stock ok?

Thanks!

[Snake45]

I'm very tempted to go with the black synthetic stock and stainless steel version, just since it should last a little better with less need for maintenance, right? Or is it just a wasted $40?

Unless you anticipate severe-weather use, or just like the black and silver look, pretty much just wasted $40 IMHO. There's not much to rust on a 10/22. Receiver and trigger housing are alloy, as is the front band; buttplate is plastic. Bolt should be lightly lubed; it's easy to keep the blued steel barrel oiled (it's not gonna rust inside; modern .22 ammo pretty much IS a bore protector) and if it should rust, factory 10/22 takeoff barrels are dirt cheap.

Here's an idea for you: Get the wood stock and saw the butt end off in several 3/4" or 1" slices. Save the pieces. As your kid grows, glue them back on. When you've glued them all back on 10 or 12 years from now, get a replacement factory stock (again, takeoffs are common and cheap--$20-$25). Then saw the slices back off your "growing" stock and you're ready for the grandkids. 

[dwarven1]

Tower, I just picked up a stainless 10/22 - basically, the price was right. I'm planning on keeping that one and giving my niece mine for her birthday (assuming that she finds a place to keep it; my sister is major-league anti-gun). It seems to be a little lighter than my wood-stocked 10/22 simply because the stock is hollowed out. Shoots OK, but I've only test fired it with about 100 rounds or so.

Basically, it comes down to personal preference... are you going to be using this for camping / hunting in ugly weather? Or do you just prefer stainless? Like I said, the only reason I got this is because I happened to fall into it. I'd have been just as happy with a blued/wood version! In fact, I have been... for 26 years! I bought my 10/22 in 1981 - first rifle I ever bought.



ETA... OOPS! I just remembered my niece reads this forum... Oh, well. So much for a surprise.

[Groundhog]

My 10/22 is having fairly consistent feeding problems, regardless of the mag used.  Were it not for that issue, it would be a rifle anyone could make Rifleman with.  Typically what appears to happen (though I can't swear this is actually what is happening) is some kind of double feed.  What I typically find in there is a round in the chamber that is unfired and a second one trying to feed which jams up the works.  Anyone experience this or have a fix idea?

[Francis Marion]

Inspect your extractor.  Compare to a brand new extractor, see it's worn or its range of motion is impaired.  Is the recess in the barrel into which the extractor is shoved free of grit, carbon, obstructions?  Is the rim of the un-extracted casing deformed or ripped out or ridden over by the extractor?  Tried brushing your chamber out with a bronze brush?  Broken extractor spring, or binding of extractor mechanism?  Improper angle ground into extractor, which presents not a hook but instead a ramp, to the cartridge rim upon extraction?
Swap bolts with a buddy and see if the problem persists or goes away.  Or maybe you have multiple 10-22s.

edit:
Whoa, you said a round in the chamber unfired...what you really need is a priest, because that's just weird.  Need to think about that.

[Francis Marion]

Something unusual about your particular rifle...I'm grasping at straws here, but get fine point permanent marker, and mark your shells 1 thru 10, load them in reverse order.  Or scribe them 1 thru 10 with an awl, but serialize them.  Mark, load, shoot, repeat until the failure happens.  Now you can take the mag out, and see if: 
  Bolt traveling rearward during recoil sequence, properly extracts and ejects spent casing "4".  Meanwhile, cartridge "5" is somehow nudged forward in the mag, and goes so far forward that it's ejected from the mag, skittering around inside the action.  Round "6" is now presented by the mag feed spring to the feed lips, where the now forward-traveling bolt strips cartridge "6" from the mag and chambers "6" while crunching "5".  That's all I can think of.  I certainly hope a 10/22 won't fire unless the bolt is fully forward.
But see if the round is in the chamber that you expect to be in the chamber, or if it's one round further down than you expected.
Assuming this accounts for your problem, I'd alter the way the rifle behaves on recoil by installing a recoil buffer, using a different stronger spring for the bolt, in the hope that the rounds in the mag stay put under recoil.    Would be interesting to swap bolt spring/charging handle assembly with a buddy and see if that helps. 

[Groundhog]

I thought about the failure to extract issue first and it seems logical. I know for a fact though that I had at least one instance of the unfired round in the chamber and the "double feed" jamming up in there.  It doesn't make sense.  This rifle is basically brand new.  I am going to disassemble and clean vigorously and follow your suggestions and see what happens.

Thanks,

[Snake45]

I certainly hope a 10/22 won't fire unless the bolt is fully forward.

It can, but not with the bolt as far back as, say, an AR-15.

If you don't believe me, CLEAR THE RIFLE, pull the bolt handle back a little, and pull the trigger. Hear the hammer drop? No? You have the bolt back too far. Ease it forward slowly, pulling the trigger repeatedly as you go. At some point that hammer WILL drop, and it will be before the bolt is fully home. It's not unknown for 10/22s to fire in this condidtion, and if the case lets go, this is known as an OOB kaBOOM. Usually blows out the extractor, can sometimes wreck the magazine as well.

Dirty little secret, almost all .22 semiautos will do this. OOB kaBOOMs are fairly common in .22 ARs, Rhineland R22s, Remington 597s, and T/C Classics. Well, not COMMON, maybe, but I've heard multiple reports of them with all those guns.

The only .22 semiauto rifle I have that will NOT let the hammer fall with the bolt back at least a hair (and I own quite a few of the things) is an old High Standard tube-mag Model 31 (Higgins).

[ken grant]

 You might try putting a little more tension on your magazine spring.
The top rd. may be moving forward when the bolt hits the boltstop and the bolt tries to pick up the next rd. when moving back to battery.

Very much like a 1911 with a weak mag spring
Yea, I know, a 1911 has much more recoil.

[Francis Marion]

Mag spring tension increase, I like that too.

[ken grant]

 To do a quick check,just dunk the mag in ATF and shake the fluid out,turn upside down and let drain. This will lub everything and make it very slippery.
Shoot it and see if there is a difference.
If so, clean and increase tension on the spring.

[Groundhog]

What is needed to increase tension  on the spring?

[Old Dog]

check out the first video, it's about disassembly, cleaning and reassembly of the ruger 10/22 magazine.

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=557.msg5135#msg5135

[Nickle]

I'm planning on keeping that one and giving my niece mine for her birthday (assuming that she finds a place to keep it; my sister is major-league anti-gun).

I think I can cover the storage spot, and I WILL be talking to your sister sometime before long (since I'm local, and considering where I'm employed, she may be more receptive to Blueskys and I). That's one of the things I was supposed to get done sometime over the winter.

[dwarven1]

I think I can cover the storage spot, and I WILL be talking to your sister sometime before long (since I'm local, and considering where I'm employed, she may be more receptive to Blueskys and I). That's one of the things I was supposed to get done sometime over the winter.

I've actually been waiting to see if Liz would think of asking you... And if you can get Sue with a rifle in her hands... well... all I'll say would be that the Age of Miracles isn't over. 

On another topic... does anyone know of a set of sights for the 10/22 that are like the Garand sights? I really like the sights on my Garand - even more than the Tech-Sights - so I was wondering if someone makes them that I could put on my 10/22 instead of the Tech-Sights.

[Nickle]

I suppose I'll have to post a picture of Sue holding a rifle as proof, IF I can pull it off, right? I'm actually considering a personal invite to an Appleseed, probably Proctor. I'll even provide the rifle and ammo for her myself. I do have an awesome ladies LTR (scoped).

As to Liz, well, you (and she should) already know the answer.

As to M1 Garand sights, that would be tough, as they'll be tall. M1 Carbine sights may be doable, though.

[Snake45]

M1 Carbine sights may be doable, though.

Yes, that works fine. You just get one of those common Weaver sight bases and file a dovetail slot in it for the carbine sight. I've done it. Works good, looks good.

[dwarven1]

M1 Carbine sights may be doable, though.

Yes, that works fine. You just get one of those common Weaver sight bases and file a dovetail slot in it for the carbine sight. I've done it. Works good, looks good.

I'm not sure what you mean by "common Weaver sight base" here. You mean something like the scope base that's included with the 10/22 when you buy it new and just hand-file a dovetail into it? What about the front sight?

[Nickle]

M1 Carbine sights may be doable, though.

Yes, that works fine. You just get one of those common Weaver sight bases and file a dovetail slot in it for the carbine sight. I've done it. Works good, looks good.

I'm not sure what you mean by "common Weaver sight base" here. You mean something like the scope base that's included with the 10/22 when you buy it new and just hand-file a dovetail into it? What about the front sight?

Answer to first question is "Yup, exactly that."

Answer to second question, "I would use a Tech Sight front sight, and change the post to a wider one. Somebody makes them wider, IIRC."

[Snake45]

M1 Carbine sights may be doable, though.

Yes, that works fine. You just get one of those common Weaver sight bases and file a dovetail slot in it for the carbine sight. I've done it. Works good, looks good.

I'm not sure what you mean by "common Weaver sight base" here. You mean something like the scope base that's included with the 10/22 when you buy it new and just hand-file a dovetail into it? What about the front sight?

Weaver makes a 10/22 base, it might be called TO9 or something like that, that a lot of places carry, even Walmart. Cheap, too.

The Tech Sight front would prolly be too high for this application. I think the M14 front sight, as I illustrated a couple pages ago, would be just about right.

I'm trying to work out a way to put a USGI Carbine front sight on a stock 10/22 barrel, and that should prolly work, too. (Trying to turn one of my 10/22s into a carbine clone LTR.)

[Francis Marion]

How would you adjust elevation if you use a carb front sight and a tech rear sight.

[Snake45]

How would you adjust elevation if you use a carb front sight and a tech rear sight.

That combination wouldn't work. Carbine front sight isn't high enough.

[dwarven1]

I'm starting to think that this discussion should be continued in the Wiley E. Coyote School Of Gunsmithing thread...    but I think I'll get a spare scope base and a carbine rear site and start experimenting this spring. It has potential, I think...

Thanks for the ideas.