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10/22 Broken Bolt
« on: March 06, 2012, 11:35:08 AM »
Iron Pony had requested I post pictures of the broken bolt on my 10/22.  Pictures of broken bolt & piece are hopefully attached.  1st try at posting pictures on this forum.

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Prior to coming to the AS at the end of February, I made a few mods to my '89 vintage 10/22.  Auto bolt release, extended mag release, Tech Sights, sling & swivels.  Shot around 150 - 200 rounds at the local indoor range and experienced a failure to fire round as well as a failure to eject.  Cleared the round and went home to do a little cleaning, not a thorough cleaning, but bore snake and removing the crud around the ejector and bolt face.

Arrived at AS only to find the rifle would not fire and the firing pin was not striking the cartridge.  Toy & Goliath were most helpful but we could not remedy the problem.

When I got back to Concord I found a little bolt piece under the ejector had broken off.  It was on the under side of the bolt and not readily visible.  It had lodged itself in the upper part of the receiver preventing the bolt from fully completely closing.  Rounds would eject manually, but the firing pin would not strike the cartridge.   

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #1 on: March 06, 2012, 02:48:43 PM »
Have you contacted Ruger yet? If so, what did they say?
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #2 on: March 06, 2012, 02:55:11 PM »
One of 2 things...Either a rare flawed casting or someone had dropped the bolt on a hard floor.....O.L.
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #3 on: March 06, 2012, 03:44:08 PM »
I just had this happen to a brand new M&P 15/22, at my last shoot!
It was the first time I had seen this,I provided a loaner and suggested to send back to Co.
I am not a Bolt efficianato, Send it back for repair or replace defective part.
I have not heard of anyone having problems with S&W or Rugger's customer service!
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #4 on: March 06, 2012, 08:58:20 PM »
An Appleseed will stress equipment, I've never seen that happen before but I do appreciate you sharing the pictures and the description of the symptoms.  Thanks for sharing!


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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #5 on: March 06, 2012, 09:24:29 PM »
Here are the images to make it easier on folks.

Please be sure to do a warantee claim with Ruger and let us know the results.



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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #6 on: March 06, 2012, 10:25:44 PM »
Well, that's a new one for me!

It's hard to tell for a couple of reasons - It's a picture and I don't have a comparison in front of me - It almost looks like there's a bit of extra wear on the outside edge of the broken piece.  In fact the bolt in general looks a little rougher than it should be.  That could be the camera or old age. 
I would suggest as the others did, try to see if it's covered under warranty.  If they have you just send in the bolt, or you replace it on your own.  Make sure to check for damage to the receiver/and or barrel face that may have been incurred as a result of the defect or perhaps the cause of it. 

Broken rifles aren't fun, but it happens. 

The optimist would say, at least it was designed not to fire out of battery - And that function worked.  It could have been worse.
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2012, 12:12:24 AM »
Well the bolt definitely needs to be replaced. As Aftermath mentioned there could be damage to the receiver as well. Since the rifle is down and out of action anyway why not send the whole thing back to Ruger and let them determine the cause. This way you will know everything has been returned to spec.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2012, 11:43:47 AM »
Gentlemen,

Appreciate all the responses and suggestions.  I have contacted Ruger via email and have received the standard we will respond in 3 business days response.  Patience is not one of my virtues and I really want to go back to Ramseur at the end of this month.  I could not find a stock bolt assembly in stock (all sources I tried showed them back ordered), so I ordered a Kidd bolt and cocking assembly.  Was hoping it would arrive yesterday.

The barrel is in the receiver and I have a desk mounted magnifying glass with light on my work bench (old age supplement).  I can not see or feel any damage to the receiver or the barrel.  I can see wear marks on the receiver where the anodizing/paint has worn off (will use some grease on those wear points) but the receiver looks like a any other cast aluminum part.  Could probably use some polishing..... Does anyone have experience doing that and if so, could you share what/how you accomplished it.  Is it worth the effort?

Will keep all advised on the outcome with Ruger.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2012, 01:42:28 PM »
Update on reply from Ruger.

The reply from Ruger follows.....  I suspect I know where this is going with Ruger.....  'Modifications have been made to the rifle (auto bolt release and extended mag release); consequently your warranty claim is denied'. 

Not having the use of the 10/22 for the time it would be enroute, inspected and returned is not, for me, worth the hassle for a $40.00 part, especially when you throw in FEDEX shipping charges.  I already have ordered (maybe it will arrive today) a KIDD bolt assembly.  I can not see any damage to the barrel or receiver.

I realize 'I'm throwing the dice' to some extent, but I'm willing to take that risk with the new bolt.  If the new bolt cycles smoothly, I'll go fire it.  If not, probably the next stop is Wally World for a new 10/22 and I will have some parts for sale.

'Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of   03/05/2012
Request No: 130075

Response:
We recommend that you send your entire firearm into our Product Service Dept for evaluation. Ship to: S & R 411 Sunapee St. Newport, NH 03773. Put a letter inside with your firearm stating the issue. Include a daytime phone number, return UPS address, and mailing address. Also a email address or fax  number if available.
      
Pack in a plain brown box. Do not send the original Ruger box. A long gun can be mailed to a manufacturer for repair, FED EX. or you can go thru a dealer.

After evaluation it will be determined if it can be repaired under warranty.'

If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:

Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol:  (603) 865-2442
Pistols:  (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information:  (603) 865-2424

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2012, 02:08:05 PM »
Update on reply from Ruger.

The reply from Ruger follows.....  I suspect I know where this is going with Ruger.....  'Modifications have been made to the rifle (auto bolt release and extended mag release); consequently your warranty claim is denied'. 

Not having the use of the 10/22 for the time it would be enroute, inspected and returned is not, for me, worth the hassle for a $40.00 part, especially when you throw in FEDEX shipping charges.  I already have ordered (maybe it will arrive today) a KIDD bolt assembly.  I can not see any damage to the barrel or receiver.

I realize 'I'm throwing the dice' to some extent, but I'm willing to take that risk with the new bolt.  If the new bolt cycles smoothly, I'll go fire it.  If not, probably the next stop is Wally World for a new 10/22 and I will have some parts for sale.

'Thank you for using the Ruger On-Line Customer Support Request Form.

This e-mail is in response to your question or comment of   03/05/2012
Request No: 130075

Response:
We recommend that you send your entire firearm into our Product Service Dept for evaluation. Ship to: S & R 411 Sunapee St. Newport, NH 03773. Put a letter inside with your firearm stating the issue. Include a daytime phone number, return UPS address, and mailing address. Also a email address or fax  number if available.
      
Pack in a plain brown box. Do not send the original Ruger box. A long gun can be mailed to a manufacturer for repair, FED EX. or you can go thru a dealer.

After evaluation it will be determined if it can be repaired under warranty.'

If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:

Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol:  (603) 865-2442
Pistols:  (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information:  (603) 865-2424

Please note:  This e-mail is sent from a notification-only address that cannot accept incoming e-mail.  Please do not reply to this message.

Sincerely,
Ruger Firearms[/i]

If Ruger could deny your claim simply because a couple of unrelated aftermarket parts have been installed on your rifle, it certainly would not bode well for all of the other 'altered' rifles we see on our lines. Please confirm that this is in fact Rugers position.
Thank you and good luck with the new bolt.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2012, 05:06:16 PM »
Note to self always return product in its original factory condition then claim their product to be faulty. Wala,covered Right? ++)
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2012, 05:21:27 PM »
Maybe we should tell Ruger that if you don't want people to modify their rifles, then put better stuff on them!
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2012, 06:40:57 PM »
This is true.
 I could not see the pics at work and this is definitely a defect in the quality of the alloy used to make this Bolt.
I would defiantly feel cheated if they didn't step up.
 I would inform them of AS making their product,high in demand,and that thousands are waiting on their response to you!
The issue I had on the line last month was the extractor pin and another small unknown to me part! :shootself:
Even at a better look you can see the voids in the metal! :o
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #14 on: March 10, 2012, 10:14:15 AM »
UPDATE

Thanks to all for advice & counsel.

KIDD bolt and cocking assembly arrived yesterday.  Couple hundred rounds down range without incident.

Defective bolt only will go back to Ruger on Monday and will see what happens from there.  Will keep all informed on progress with Ruger

Since everything seems to functioning properly (except my technique), I will be registering for the March shoot in Ramseur. 

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #15 on: March 29, 2012, 02:34:31 PM »
Update on broken bolt...........

New complete bolt assembly arrived from Ruger Tuesday, 3/27.  It appears to be of much higher quality than the original. 

Still have a long way to go to become a rifleman but I will persevere.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #16 on: March 29, 2012, 02:35:45 PM »
How much outta pocket?
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #17 on: March 29, 2012, 02:40:06 PM »
Good to hear.  Sounds like Ruger stepped up and replaced the bolt for you.
 
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2012, 09:13:54 AM »
George,

Looks like some sort of stress fracture that eventually split and broke off. I wouldn't expect this in a rifle that hasn't been shot a lot like yours.  I have seen lots of 10/22s and this is the first bolt problem I've seen.

I like the new Kidd bolt better anyway ;)

Also, Did you get that scope dialed in last Sunday? I went up to KD to shoot a few rounds.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #19 on: April 01, 2012, 12:36:52 PM »
Out of pocket expense.... Less than $6.00 priority mail (obviously that doesn't include the KIDD bolt assembly).  No charges from Ruger.  Very pleased with customer service.  It would be nice to know why the bolt broke but in the grand scheme of things... 'it is what it is'!  I can't recall it ever being dropped on anything harder than a wooden work bench as I struggled to get in back into the receiver. 

By the way, I like the KIDD to.... It looks sort of lonesome in there all by itself.

Scope dialed in (using about 3x), now I need to do my part.  Of all things, after the bolts on the barrel blocks were tightened anywhere from a 1/2 - 3/4 turn the groups were such the windage and elevation could be adjusted so I'm on target if I do my part (made the head shot on Sunday).

Looking at the upcoming shoots, the wife's social calendar and the grandkids soccer tournaments, it will probably be the May shoot in Ramseur before I get back to an Appleseed Shoot.

At my age I need every advantage I can get.  I'm thinking a cheek rest to improve my cheek weld in relation to the scope and a lighter trigger pull would help.  With the scope, I can really determine my NPOA and I can see the controlled breathing (or lack there of).  Having the scope is reminiscent of my 1st set of reading glasses some 20+ years ago when I realized all I could not see or focus upon.

Will be going to the indoor range this coming week to practice in the standing position.  I also want to shoot my handguns a little.

Giving serious consideration to attending a boot camp.  I know August in NC can be brutal.  Depending upon how I hold up to the two day shoots in the summer and outcome of future medical procedures on my back, I may have to wait until February.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #20 on: April 01, 2012, 02:03:29 PM »
Update on broken bolt...........

New complete bolt assembly arrived from Ruger Tuesday, 3/27.  It appears to be of much higher quality than the original. 

Still have a long way to go to become a rifleman but I will persevere.

Another +++ for Ruger, their customer service and warranty is top notch.

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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #21 on: April 02, 2012, 04:28:12 PM »
Out of pocket expense.... Less than $6.00 priority mail (obviously that doesn't include the KIDD bolt assembly).  No charges from Rugger.  Very pleased with customer service.  It would be nice to know why the bolt broke but in the grand scheme of things... 'it is what it is'!
 (made the head shot on Sunday).  O0

 Looking at the upcoming shoots, it will probably be the May shoot in Ramseur before I get back to an Appleseed Shoot. :'(
Great to hear Rugger did its part!
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« Reply #22 on: April 05, 2012, 11:14:41 PM »
Just thought this would be interesting in light of the above discussion.  I'll hasten to say this is NOT a new rifle.  This is from a 10/22T that was bought back in '04, and probably has had about 15,000 rounds through it (at least, I know I bought them, and I don't have them any more...  ;D)




Neither shot is great, but you can get the idea between them - very similar damage to the above.  Some background:

I did not notice when this happened.  No OOB and anything else dramatic.  My guess is it caused a jam when it broke off, and I (or my wife, who shoots it as well), dropped the mag, cleared the action, and the little piece just dropped out the mag well, unnoticed.

So I'm not sure when it actually happened.  A couple weeks ago it started stove-piping, but that's not unusual:  I run Wolf Match through this, which is very accurate but a rather low energy round, means I have to keep the action clean.  When it starts stove-piping, it's time to take it down.  That has always fixed it before, but when my wife tried it at our next range session, it was jam-o-matic time, no just regular stove-pipes, but empties left lying sideways inside the action.  Stripped it again, didn't notice anything (but wasn't really focused on bolt), reassembled and retested.  About 2% stove-pipes.  At that point I remembered this thread, and took a close look at the bolt - Oh, S***!   :slap: 

So I don't know if the broken bit was responsible for the malfs, but I'm not keeping this in the rifle, that's for sure.  The brand new Kidd bolt just arrived. :D  After giving us that much time and fun, the rifle deserves an upgrade!

I kinda doubt Ruger is going to give me warranty coverage on this, but I may send it back just so they can take a look, even if it was a rather old production run.

(I did check the action for consequent damage, and found nothing.  Phew!)
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Re: 10/22 Broken Bolt
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2012, 01:42:56 PM »
Nero,

Have been out of pocket for some time with my back (it's tough getting old). 

My 10/22 has an '89 serial number.  It sat in the closet gathering dust for many years, and while old, it had very few rounds through it.  I sent the bolt back to Ruger with a letter explaining what had occured and within a week or so they sent a new bolt.  For less than $6.00 it was worth the try. 

Hoping to start shooting again and become a rifleman.

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« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2012, 12:40:04 AM »
Nero,

Have been out of pocket for some time with my back (it's tough getting old). 

My 10/22 has an '89 serial number.  It sat in the closet gathering dust for many years, and while old, it had very few rounds through it.  I sent the bolt back to Ruger with a letter explaining what had occured and within a week or so they sent a new bolt.  For less than $6.00 it was worth the try. 

Hoping to start shooting again and become a rifleman.

That bolt has gone on to a 2nd career as a paperweight with an interesting story behind it.  If it gives me a chance to 7th step some friends or neighbors, it's still doin' its job. 

Best wishes on making your score.   :~

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« Reply #25 on: June 18, 2012, 08:17:26 AM »
S&W,
 ..:..stepped up and got satisfaction to Lady Middlebrook,concerning her broken extractor! ..:..
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