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AR-15 Iron Sights

Started by Topgear, December 20, 2011, 09:10:46 PM

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Topgear

I got what you're saying.  I'm used to turning that mount around and using it to pull the rifle into my shoulder.  I guess that will change a bit with the use of a USGI sling instead.  It does have a sling mount in the bipod adapter.  Can be mounted on either side or the bottom.  Thanks for the advice, guys!

Kent

The whole body suffers for what the dumb mind does.

Colorado Pete

Quote from: GEmanuel on December 26, 2011, 09:00:02 AM
Ditto Colorado Pete, but you are also going to need a front sling swivel (unless it is part of that bi-pod mount, can't the in the picture) I have my front swivel on a picatinny and set it so the sling comes off and my mitt/glove is up against the base of the swivel as a hand stop. When done properly your support hand just can not slip. Mitt is necessary due to the recoil of the 5.56 and the rail potentially tearing up a bare hand.

"...the recoil of the 5.56..." ..okay I'm biting my tongue hard enough to draw blood... ;)

Try jamming your bare hand up against the swivel of an M1 rifle for 20 or 40 rounds....ouch!
"Good shooting is good execution of the fundamentals. Great shooting is great execution of the fundamentals. X's are what you want. Tens are okay, but nines indicate you've got a problem" - Jim Starr
"The purpose of shooting is hitting" - Jeff Cooper

Topgear

Quote from: Colorado Pete on December 26, 2011, 11:33:03 PM
"...the recoil of the 5.56..." ..okay I'm biting my tongue hard enough to draw blood... ;)

Try jamming your bare hand up against the swivel of an M1 rifle for 20 or 40 rounds....ouch!

Yeah, I'd have to agree here.  I'd say my AR may be a bit different due to the piston system, but I can't say I'd list recoil as a downside.  Now, I'd like to see someone do an AS with a long barrel slug gun.  That should be about the modern day equivalent of a Brown Bess, right?   ;D

Kent
The whole body suffers for what the dumb mind does.

Old Dog

Everyone is different.  For me the recoil of a .223 isn't much (due to the anti clotting medication I do get a "rasberry" area on my right shoulder though, but the recoil is not something I really notice at the time).  I reallly don't notice the rails against my left hand either.  Yes, its different than a round handguard/free float tube but not painful or objectionable - for me.  My youngest son specified a smooth round free float tube on his 20" HBAR because he doesn't like the feel/effect of the rails on his support hand.  He works with his hands every day (produce at a grocery store) and yet he thinks the rails are uncomfortable when firing the rifle.

We don't wear shooting jackets (we only where a jacket/coat if its cold enough to need a coat).  We don't wear shooting gloves (unless its cold enough that we need gloves).  We shoot as we would if we had to grab a rifle, shotgun, handgun and walk out of the door of the house to take care of something.

If something helps you shoot better, use it.  Just be aware that practicing with it and then not having it when you need it will make a difference.  Maybe a serious difference.  After all.  Why are you practicing with a rifle?  A rifle is a serious tool for use in insuring your survival and the survival of your loved ones.  A leather awl will put neat hole in paper much cheaper than a rifle bullet, if holes in paper is your reason for becoming a good shot with a rifle.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

Topgear

All sound advice, Old Dog.  I'm actually contemplating making my first AS a Winterseed.  As such, I'll bring along some different clothing layers and gear to help combat the elements.  That does not mean, however, that I will be bringing along my TemPurPedic mattress as my ground cover.   ;)

Kent
The whole body suffers for what the dumb mind does.

Old Dog

a mattress?  Now that would have really put me to sleep. **)

I was so tired during the RBC I attended that I dozed off in the prone position a time or two.  That was on the concrete with a GI weapons parachute case as a shooting mat.  That mattress would have done me in.  For some reason I have no problems picturing it in my head though.

Being comfortable helps - in paying attention and in shooting better.  I usually wear loose fitting clothes, winter or summer.
"The rifle itself has no moral stature, since it has no will of its own. Naturally, it may be used by evil men for evil purposes, but there are more good men than evil, and while the latter cannot be persuaded to the path of righteousness by propaganda, they can certainly be corrected by good men with rifles."

—Jeff Cooper, The Art of the Rifle

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Quote from: Topgear on December 20, 2011, 10:06:40 PM
Thanks for the quick response!  It's an M4 style, 16" barrel.  Actually, it's a Ruger SR-556E, so a gas piston system.  Because of the warnings from Magpul I'm not running the front sight on the gas block, but as close as I can to it.  Some seem to say it will hold up to the heat, but I'm wary.  Eyes are good.  A little far-sighted, but 20/15 visual acuity.

Kent




brother you need to turn that versapod adaptor around, you have it on backwards.

Also as far as your rear ap is concerned. The number one mistake that new shooters make with apeture sight setups is they go to small in the rear thinking it will improve accuracy. IT WILL NOT. You need quite a bit of daylight around to allow your eye to find the center of the target. This is the standard warning given in every intro to small bore shooting manual, I'll see if I can dig up some that may help
"Whenever there is any doubt, there is no doubt. That's the first thing they teach you."

WAshooter

My advice to to bring what you will shoot no sense in swapping sights for the event if that's not your set up. My motto Train as you fight if you are a scope shooter leave the scope, Just my opinion