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New Ruger M77 LTR

Started by fepowered, March 27, 2011, 02:59:51 PM

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fepowered

March 27, 2011, 02:59:51 PM
I went to the local gun shops yesterday with the intention to purchase a Mini-14.  What I found instead is one of the new M77 Gunsite Scout Rifles.   They come with a 10 round detachable magazine and aperture sites.  The stock is adjustable for length of pull with included spacers.
.308 caliber and a 16 1/2" barrel.

"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

POC

#1
March 27, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
Looks nice, but that would be a punishing day of AQT's!!
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fepowered

#2
March 28, 2011, 12:04:13 AM
Quote from: POC on March 27, 2011, 08:22:15 PM
Looks nice, but that would be a punishing day of AQT's!!
No more than a M1 Garand.   
What really suprised me is that the bottom metal and magazine are the AIC design so the rifle is actually a bargain compared to doing a floorplate conversion yourself.
"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Blue Five

#3
March 28, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Looks like a nice gun!  My only objection is the bolt action...cause I'm a semi guy  :~

What's the price on those?  I'm sure it's got to be a lot less expensive than an M1A.
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POC

#4
March 28, 2011, 02:06:26 AM
That bolt makes you much better at getting and finding your NPOA. Cause you don't have TIME to do any fussing around, you have to be able to "fall" into NPOA between times of working the bolt. Especially something with a long throw (Like this gun looks like it would.) that you HAVE to move your head, or get a bolt in the face.
My first AS I used a bolt rifle, tube fed. Had "0" shooting classes or instruction before that. I'd hunted before, and I was using a scope. Shot a 235 as a high. Second AS I had my new Rem 597 semi-auto, scoped. Shot 225. Maybe me, but I "feel" better shooting that old bolt action than this new gun...
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JustJeff

#5
March 28, 2011, 02:22:27 AM
The reviews I've seen on Rugers "Gunsite Scout" have all been pretty good.  This rifle was designed using a checklist of features Col Cooper said a 'good scout rifle' MUST have.  It is basically a tribute to him.  This'll be one I buy if I can ever scrape together enough FRN.
Your version of "ineffective" does not necessarily reflect the truth....
Having been "ineffectively" taught to the Rifleman Standard and having been "ineffectively" taught to teach others to the Rifleman Standard, I believe I prefer the "ineffective" over the other choice.

Shooterer

#6
March 28, 2011, 10:53:17 AM Last Edit: March 28, 2011, 01:07:06 PM by Shooterer
Hi Fed,
If I could make just 1 point of correction, the Ruger GSR would be a "LR" (liberty rifle, aka battle carbine) not a training rifle (LTR). Mr. Cooper had a great idea when he championed the design of the "Scout" rifle. I have been shooting scout rifles for a few years now and love the whole concept and have been tempted to buy a GSR, but the AR platform has not failed me so why change.

If your ever in SE WI and would like to try my main LTR (which is a 10/22 scout), just give me a shout.



If anyone wants to learn more about scout rifles or Ching slings, go to www.scoutrifle.org
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Nickle

#7
March 28, 2011, 10:57:25 AM
Nice concept, but, that would be very punishing over the course of a day (think Remington Models 7 or 600, and I have shot them enough to know they hurt after a modest number of rounds).

The concept, built to a 10 pound rifle, with a medium heavy weight barrel would be good.
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

fepowered

#8
March 28, 2011, 11:19:17 AM
Quote from: Blue Five on March 28, 2011, 12:35:11 AM
Looks like a nice gun!  My only objection is the bolt action...cause I'm a semi guy  :~

What's the price on those?  I'm sure it's got to be a lot less expensive than an M1A.
The street price is between $750 and $800.   I don't believe that it makes sense to use any centerfire all day at 25M.  You are not getting any better training and it is a waste of ammo and money.  What I have done in the past is use my .22 until I shoot my first couple of AQTs and then jump to centerfire.  When it is time to go over to FD or KD AQTs, you are all centerfire most of the time with the exception of 100yd only shoots. 
This isn't a LTR in the sense of replacing a .22 but for those who make the natural progression to centerfire and KD/FD, it is a decent option.   Anyone who has tried to mount a scope on a M1 Garand or a M1A knows that cheek weld and eye relief is very frustrating to deal with.  When I get one I will be putting my 1-5x scope on it using the supplied rings and rear scope point and see how that works out.  The rear aperture sight comes off with a single allen head screw so that you can use the rear scope mount point.
"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Nickle

#9
March 28, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
If you're mounting a scope, you're better off with a Savage with detachable mag, or a Remington 700 Varmint or PSS and a mag conversion ($85 from Cabela's, first place I checked).

And, like fepowered said, this isn't a "trainer" (LTR stands for Liberty Training Rifle, I didn't coin that term), but a real centerfire rifle. Get it in .308 or .30-06, you can shoot it cheap, and use for a rifle to keep in your car during deer season for those longer shots in fields (going to be too bulky and heavy to carry in the woods). Get it in .223, and you have a decent varmint rifle (the .30 cals would also work).
They have men amongst them who know very well what they are about, having been employed as Rangers against the Indians and Canadians and this country being much covered with wood, and hilly, is very advantageous for their method of fighting. . . . ".  Lord Percy

Sounds like New Englanders to me.

fepowered

#10
March 28, 2011, 01:12:43 PM
Quote from: Nickle on March 28, 2011, 12:22:26 PM
If you're mounting a scope, you're better off with a Savage with detachable mag, or a Remington 700 Varmint or PSS and a mag conversion ($85 from Cabela's, first place I checked).

And, like fepowered said, this isn't a "trainer" (LTR stands for Liberty Training Rifle, I didn't coin that term), but a real centerfire rifle. Get it in .308 or .30-06, you can shoot it cheap, and use for a rifle to keep in your car during deer season for those longer shots in fields (going to be too bulky and heavy to carry in the woods). Get it in .223, and you have a decent varmint rifle (the .30 cals would also work).
The $85 Kwik Klip is long action only so using it on a .308 is not an option.  The local Gander used to sell the conversions and magazines.  They are close to a factory magazine configuration and rattle like one.  I am going to pay the premium to get the Accuracy International design hardware.  I will give a range report once I get it.
"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

Shooterer

#11
March 28, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
My main problem as a recovering gun hoarder is that as soon as I buy the Ruger GSR I will need to buy a Ruger 77/22 bolt action to be the training rifle for the battle rifle (sorry, carbine).

Oh, did I forget to mention that along with the 2 rifles, I would need to buy 2 matching Leopold 2.75 x 28 EER scopes for the aforementioned rifles.

Did I also use the word recovering?
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TN_Dadx5

#12
March 28, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't a 16" barrel for 308 self-defeating?  From what I've read on the powder used in 308s it's still burning up to about 20".
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JustJeff

#13
March 28, 2011, 02:11:08 PM
Quote from: Shooterer on March 28, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
My main problem as a recovering gun hoarder is that as soon as I buy the Ruger GSR I will need to buy a Ruger 77/22 bolt action to be the training rifle for the battle rifle (sorry, carbine).

Oh, did I forget to mention that along with the 2 rifles, I would need to buy 2 matching Leopold 2.75 x 28 EER scopes for the aforementioned rifles.

Did I also use the word recovering?

You speak of this as if it's a bad thing...... it's only bad when it keeps you from paying your mortgage and feeding your kids....who needs lights?
Your version of "ineffective" does not necessarily reflect the truth....
Having been "ineffectively" taught to the Rifleman Standard and having been "ineffectively" taught to teach others to the Rifleman Standard, I believe I prefer the "ineffective" over the other choice.

fepowered

#14
March 28, 2011, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: TN_Dadx5 on March 28, 2011, 01:58:50 PM
Pardon my ignorance, but isn't a 16" barrel for 308 self-defeating?  From what I've read on the powder used in 308s it's still burning up to about 20".
It is relatively insignificant unless you plan to shoot over 600 yds.  You will not miss the velocity.   You will have to change your dope but that is simple enough.  The most you are losing from 20" to 16" is 100fps.  That is the difference between the average commercial loaded .30-06 and a .308 round.   You simply do not need maximum velocity to get the job done whether it is punching paper or hunting.     
"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."

fepowered

#15
March 29, 2011, 06:26:37 PM Last Edit: March 29, 2011, 06:29:41 PM by fepowered
Quote from: Shooterer on March 28, 2011, 01:26:36 PM
My main problem as a recovering gun hoarder is that as soon as I buy the Ruger GSR I will need to buy a Ruger 77/22 bolt action to be the training rifle for the battle rifle (sorry, carbine).

Oh, did I forget to mention that along with the 2 rifles, I would need to buy 2 matching Leopold 2.75 x 28 EER scopes for the aforementioned rifles.
I was fortunate enough to trip over a low priced used 1.5-5x20 Leupold at a different gun store this weekend.   I mounted it with the standard Ruger rings in the rear dovetails and the cheek weld/eye relief seems about right.  I will test it out on my days off later in the week.    I will be taking the flash hider off and screwing on a brake in the near future. 
I am going to try this scope out on my wife's 10/22 LTR also.   It has ALOT of tolerance for eye relief. 
"Today, we need a nation of Riflemen, citizens who are not only prepared to take arms, but citizens who regard the preservation of freedom as the basic purpose of their daily life and who are
willing to consciously work and sacrifice for that freedom."
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