Marlin 795 scopes

[Heimdhal]

ill make a chart nex time I get to the range, but that probably wont be for a while 

[dwarven1]

OK - let's be real specific with some ACTUAL test results.

If anyone has the time or inclination, can they test their.22 rifle/scope at minimum magnification and maximum magnification e.g. 3x then 9x and see if there is ant POI (Point Of Impact) change.

100 yards would be best, but 25, 50 or 70 would be OK.

Please list your Make and Model and if you used the mount that came with the scope, or the make/model of any add-on scopr mount/rings.

Given that the scopes on my AR and 10/22 are 40+ year old Weavers, I'm guessing that you wouldn't really want this data? I mean, I could do it. Just not sure how useful it'd be given how old the scopes are.

[marrandy]

OK.

I needed to get the Marlins tested for 28/29th Myakka/Manatee event so I have ordered:-

a)   BSA® Sweet .22   -   $40.47 with my club discount   http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=644012

b)   UTG 11mm to Weaver Adapter, Adjustable   -   $7.50   http://www.amazon.com/UTG-11mm-Weaver-Adapter-Adjustable/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1279817042&sr=8-1-spell

c)   UTG AccuShot Premium 1-Inch Weaver Style See-Thru Medium Profile Rings   -   $9.50   http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-1-Inch-See-Thru-Profile/dp/B001WJ67S2/ref=pd_sim_sg_2

Thanks to you all and  WESM  as I finally chose his selections.

Hopefully I get to install and then test fire Thurs/Fri.

[wesm]

OK.

I needed to get the Marlins tested for 28/29th Myakka/Manatee event so I have ordered:-

a)   BSA® Sweet .22   -   $40.47 with my club discount   http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=644012

b)   UTG 11mm to Weaver Adapter, Adjustable   -   $7.50   http://www.amazon.com/UTG-11mm-Weaver-Adapter-Adjustable/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1279817042&sr=8-1-spell

c)   UTG AccuShot Premium 1-Inch Weaver Style See-Thru Medium Profile Rings   -   $9.50   http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-1-Inch-See-Thru-Profile/dp/B001WJ67S2/ref=pd_sim_sg_2

Thanks to you all and  WESM  as I finally chose his selections.

Hopefully I get to install and then test fire Thurs/Fri.

Let me know how that setup works out for you.  I got mine mounted and took it out to sight in (from a rest) a week ago.  That was my first time to shoot the 795s.  One thing I came away from that with was how much heavier the trigger pull is in them than in my 10/22 with a Volquartzen target hammer.  So this past weekend I was doing minor surgery on my 795s (replacing the trigger spring with a floppy disk spring a la the guys at Rimfire Central) when I remembered I forgot to use loctite on the scope mount.  So I did that this weekend, one screw at a time, but haven't had a chance to see if or how much I changed my zero.  Hopefully everything is solid now though.  I was pleasantly surprised with the BSA scope.  It was bright and clear and feels very solid.  Good luck with yours!

[dart67eb]

OK.

I needed to get the Marlins tested for 28/29th Myakka/Manatee event so I have ordered:-

a)   BSA® Sweet .22   -   $40.47 with my club discount   http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=644012

b)   UTG 11mm to Weaver Adapter, Adjustable   -   $7.50   http://www.amazon.com/UTG-11mm-Weaver-Adapter-Adjustable/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1279817042&sr=8-1-spell

c)   UTG AccuShot Premium 1-Inch Weaver Style See-Thru Medium Profile Rings   -   $9.50   http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-1-Inch-See-Thru-Profile/dp/B001WJ67S2/ref=pd_sim_sg_2

Thanks to you all and  WESM  as I finally chose his selections.

Hopefully I get to install and then test fire Thurs/Fri.

I just put these on both my 795's.  I like the double allen's on each and the vertical screw.  http://www.pyramydair.com/s/a/Leapers_Accushot_1_Rings_Medium_3_8_Dovetail_4_Screws_Cap/793

[dart67eb]

OK.

I needed to get the Marlins tested for 28/29th Myakka/Manatee event so I have ordered:-

a)   BSA® Sweet .22   -   $40.47 with my club discount   http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/cb.aspx?a=644012

b)   UTG 11mm to Weaver Adapter, Adjustable   -   $7.50   http://www.amazon.com/UTG-11mm-Weaver-Adapter-Adjustable/dp/B001CJ67E6/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=sporting-goods&qid=1279817042&sr=8-1-spell

c)   UTG AccuShot Premium 1-Inch Weaver Style See-Thru Medium Profile Rings   -   $9.50   http://www.amazon.com/AccuShot-Premium-1-Inch-See-Thru-Profile/dp/B001WJ67S2/ref=pd_sim_sg_2

Thanks to you all and  WESM  as I finally chose his selections.

Hopefully I get to install and then test fire Thurs/Fri.

Let me know how that setup works out for you.  I got mine mounted and took it out to sight in (from a rest) a week ago.  That was my first time to shoot the 795s.  One thing I came away from that with was how much heavier the trigger pull is in them than in my 10/22 with a Volquartzen target hammer.  So this past weekend I was doing minor surgery on my 795s (replacing the trigger spring with a floppy disk spring a la the guys at Rimfire Central) when I remembered I forgot to use loctite on the scope mount.  So I did that this weekend, one screw at a time, but haven't had a chance to see if or how much I changed my zero.  Hopefully everything is solid now though.  I was pleasantly surprised with the BSA scope.  It was bright and clear and feels very solid.  Good luck with yours!

I did the whole Marlin 60 trigger job from the guys at rimfire central.  I also sanded the mag well and one of the rifles drops free, now.  I need to get back in and do the other one some more.  5 bullets, 1 hole at 25m from a block of wood rest.

[wesm]

I did the whole Marlin 60 trigger job from the guys at rimfire central.  I also sanded the mag well and one of the rifles drops free, now.  I need to get back in and do the other one some more.  5 bullets, 1 hole at 25m from a block of wood rest.

Not to get TOO far off the original topic, but how easy was the rest of the trigger job?  I just replaced the trigger spring, but I haven't disassembled the fire control group (or whatever it's called) and stoned the hammer or anything.  I am a little intimidated by the rest of it, but I'll get around to it sooner or later.  I have been looking for a good deal on Norton India stones but haven't come across anything too affordable yet.  Did you JB Weld the nose of the hammer too?  I may need to pick your brain offline about some of this one day soon.

EDIT:  I used to think my old Model 60's trigger pull was "fine".  Then I shot DonD's 10/22 with a trigger job, and knew I wouldn't be satisfied with a factory trigger anymore.  Bought my 10/22, and knew I would have to drop in a new hammer.  I thought that was "better", but wasn't sure I could gauge a huge improvement.  Then last weekend, when I had 2 795's and the 10/22 out together, it was like night and day.  The brand-new 795's had to have AT LEAST twice the trigger pull of the 10/22.  I am thinking the trigger pull on them was 8 lbs or more.  I kept checking to make sure I wasn't trying to shoot with the safety on!   

[dart67eb]

I didn't think it was that hard but if you do one at a time, you have the other to look at if you have questions on assembly.  Or you can look at the parts breakdown in the manual.  Kinda like doing drum brakes.  I used 2000 grit sandpaper and lcp for a final polish.  I did the JB weld, too.  Then I used disc brake grease on all of the moving parts and dry lube for the bolt and mag well. 

[marrandy]

The Marlin 795's and associated components are going downhill fast.

So I'm dry firing with the Marlin 795 with my TM200 tech sights.   

The bolt starting jamming and won't release.

So I look at it and suspect maybe the top part is flimsy (haven't we heard this before) and maybe the sight is on too tight and clamping the bolt.

So I try and unscrew the bolt on the TM200 sight and it shears, aka breaks in half.  Of course, I used Araldite Blue so it wouldn't come loose.

Turns out, the screw is aluminum, the most misused material on earth whose only plus is it is lighter then steel.

The downsides are it melts easily (ask anyone who has served on a warship in battle and see the walls melt away during a fire, or aluminum house wiring, same thing).  Its also very soft and breaks easily under stress.  Oh, that's why it happened...well...duh.

So I have no workable sight on one rifle.  I'm now not sure it won't jam again.

My second Marlin 795 is still awaiting the scope that should arrive tomorrow.  But, I am now concerned if I turn the scope mount screws too much, they will either:-

a)  Strip if they are aluminum.

b)  Will twist and jam the bolt.

Of course, I I don't turn the screws tight enough, the sight will walk.


Yes, I will request changes to Marlin and also the tech sight manufacturer, but...

I was planning to take them to the Myakka, FL shoot this weekend.

Now I am not sure they can be trusted.

There is a major difference between inexpensive and cheap.  Its down to quality.

I wonder if Marlin can actually be bothered to step up.  Even if it adds $50 or more to the price of the rifle.

Time will tell, I suppose.

YMMV.

[marrandy]

Anyone have experience with this company ?

http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3603

They are offering aluminum triger guards and also target triggers.

[dart67eb]

Anyone have experience with this company ?

http://www.diproductsinc.com/Products.aspx?CAT=3603

They are offering aluminum triger guards and also target triggers.

Somebody has one for sale in deals and steals

[nmmi9100]

I'm using KONUS PRO 4x scopes on my loaner LTRs that don't have Tech-sights.  It's a pretty darn good scope for $58 from MidwayUSA.  The knobs are finger adjustable, the clicks are 1/4 MOA, and the reticle is laser etched on the glass so no broken reticles.  Comes with a set of tip-off rings that work fine as well.  I'm happy with both of mine.

-David
Edgewood, NM

[The Machine]

One of our WV instructors had this mounted on his 10/22 which I tried out, and I really liked it. Now I have one mounted on a 795: http://www.shopbarska.com/Compact_Scopes-BARSKA_2_5x20_CONTOUR_SCOPE.html

Fast target acquisition; very rugged; 100% water/fog/shock proof; great price/performance ratio...I've been happy with it at 25m. Like others have already mentioned; get some hefty mounts and also use blue Loctite on all screws. 

[cswhitfield]

I put a Nikon 2-7 on both my grandson's and my 795.  I like the scope very much.  Very clear and brite.  I keep them set at 2X which works great on the AQT.  The scopes cost $130.00 at WalMart and Dick's.  It was tough paying as much for the scope as the rifle but at least they were not made in China.  I have the same scope on one of my 10-22s.  Both 795s put 10 rounds in a sigle hole you can cover with a dime using CCI MiniMags.  The best of my 10-22s shoots about a quarter size hole.  I've put over 1,500 rounds through my 795.  So far the only glitch is I have one magazine that sometimes won't feed properly creating a hard jam.

craig

[dart67eb]

I didn't think it was that hard but if you do one at a time, you have the other to look at if you have questions on assembly.  Or you can look at the parts breakdown in the manual.  Kinda like doing drum brakes.  I used 2000 grit sandpaper and lcp for a final polish.  I did the JB weld, too.  Then I used disc brake grease on all of the moving parts and dry lube for the bolt and mag well. 

wesm,

I'll be bringing both of my LTR's to Como. 

[wesm]

I didn't think it was that hard but if you do one at a time, you have the other to look at if you have questions on assembly.  Or you can look at the parts breakdown in the manual.  Kinda like doing drum brakes.  I used 2000 grit sandpaper and lcp for a final polish.  I did the JB weld, too.  Then I used disc brake grease on all of the moving parts and dry lube for the bolt and mag well. 

wesm,

I'll be bringing both of my LTR's to Como. 

I'll bring mine too. 

Marrandy, how is the scope/mount you ordered working out for you?  I figure you've had more of a chance to test it than I have mine to this point.

[marrandy]

Wes.

It seems to be a good scope.

As it doesn't come with a mount, its probably down to what you buy.  You may remember I bought a UTG weaver mount adapter and rings.

I only did mine finger tight and it became loose.  I was concerned about over tightening it as my Tech Sight aluminum bolt sheared on removal.

I carefully tightened it up and it was fine.

The rifle got broke though.  I didn't get the correct aluminum trigger guard and the flimsy mag release (just a curved piece of metal) got forced and bent so the mag wouldn't stay in.

I still have to strip it down and fix that.

YMMV

[Erebus]

I use a Bushnell Elite 3200 10x40mm on my scoped Marlin 795.  Sure, it cost me $20 more than the gun, but it has been worthwhile.  It is mounted to the rifle with a 1913 rail adapter from Rimfire Technologies and Weaver rings.

[Xeyed]

Check out this scope in the Deals and Steals Section.

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=16921.0

   
Good LTR Glass at a Good Price

[Reddot]

Xeyed,
I'd agree--I have one of these--good scope for the money.

Check out this scope in the Deals and Steals Section.

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=16921.0

   
Good LTR Glass at a Good Price

[marrandy]

WESM:

Have you tested your yet ?

I stripped mine down, fixed/bent the mag release back and tried it last weekend.

I noted a problem that in each course of fire, the POI would drop 2 MOA.  I would re-adjust the scope.  Perfect, then it would drop 2 MOA on the next shoot.  Not sure where the problem is at the moment. You would think scope internals as everything is locked down tight.

The trigger is pretty heavy.  A long hard creep before it goes and there is no audible or tactile reset.  I have read about these fixes and will try some.

http://votefordavid.blogspot.com/2009/02/marlin-model-60-trigger-job.html

Despite that, its pretty accurate.  I once got one ragged hole at 25 yards.  The trigger prevents me from doing that every time.  Its easy to call trigger pull errors.

Regards...Martin

ADD:  bullets.  I have tried a number of types of bullets, CCI mini-mag LR HP, Eley Sports, Federal automatch, wolf match target and they have perfomed without issue.

I just tried some Remington 550 bonus pack golden hollow points.  No feed or eject issues but boy, no bangs.  In the 100 rounds I tried, I had 11 no bangs, 3 in one 10 round magazine.  Retrying those 11 again, 10 fired and the remaining one, I haven't tried a Third time yet.  This may be OK for plinking, or casual shooting but doing a AQT when time and stress matters, having no bangs is totally unacceptable.

[dart67eb]

I use the Walmart federal 550 box

[nmmi9100]

Both of my Marlin 795 Loaners like Federal 550 bulk pack from Walmart.

Both will MALF quite often with Remington bulk pack.  Most of the Remington MALFs are misfires...

Save your Remington Bulk pack for bolt guns with a stronger firing pin strike.

As for your scope shifting 2 MOA between stages, that's the problem with cheap scopes.  Most of them won't track on their adjustments and lots won't hold zero.  My loaners have a either a 4x Konus, which has worked out so far (Jury still out on long term durability), or a 4x Leupold, or Tech Sights.  While some folks have had OK results with rimfire Tasco, Simmons, and Bushnell's, I wouldn't waste my money on those.

-David
Edgewood, NM

[marrandy]

I'm not sure what the issue is on POI drop yet.  I have other rifles with solid mounts, as opposed to the grooved receiver rings on the marlin.  Some objective testing is needed.

There are Too many variables as the Marlin 795 is light and flimsy, but I hope to get a good, solid LTR rifle before the end of the year.

[wesm]

I am hoping to get minie back out at a range maybe this weekend and put it through the paces.  I loaned it out last Saturday to a shooter, and they held quite a different zero than I had sighted it in for, but I'm not going to make any judgement on that.  I'll spend some time with it once I get some free time and see what I can tell.  It should be pretty solid, because I loctited the mount to the dovetail and the rings to the mount. 

And I use either Winchester or Federal bulk in all my 22s.  My Marlin model 60 hated the Remington Golden Bullets, and it was a chore to get rid of them.  I have sworn off of them for good.

[Francis Marion]

Appears you have MRD (Marlin Rifle Disease).  

I saw an add (Big) 5 for $139 (with coupon) Marlin 795, and felt funny. 
Symptoms:  Couldn't stop thinking about what a good price that was, how many people it could help learn to shoot.
Signs:  BP, respiration, sweating increased upon passing by Big 5.

Clearly, MRD.

So I have an old Weaver K4 60-B scope, fixed power scope- is this suitable for use on a 25 meter rifle? 
Off topic, who has good priced on magazines?

[dart67eb]

Appears you have MRD (Marlin Rifle Disease).  

I saw an add (Big) 5 for $139 (with coupon) Marlin 795, and felt funny. 
Symptoms:  Couldn't stop thinking about what a good price that was, how many people it could help learn to shoot.
Signs:  BP, respiration, sweating increased upon passing by Big 5.

Clearly, MRD.

So I have an old Weaver K4 60-B scope, fixed power scope- is this suitable for use on a 25 meter rifle? 
Off topic, who has good priced on magazines?

At Dick's, they had a price tag of $99 for 795's.  When I got to the checkout, they said it was $99 after the $25 mail in.  I said no, that's not what you told me.  I got the rifle for $99 and then mailed in the $25 rebate. 

[dart67eb]

$13.99 at cdnn  http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html

[Heimdhal]

$13.99 at cdnn  http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html

Thanks for the link!  I wonder if I just call some of these companies if theyll still charge me 8 bucks shipping if I want to order just one or two mags.  Its a hard pill to swallow when the mags are darn near 20 bucks a pop, but I cannot for the life of me find them anywhere local.  I made mention of it to a few people at the gun show some months ago and saw some there at the last one, but the guy was asking $20+ for one, so it winds up costing just as much, especialy after gun show ticket costs, etc.


As a side note, marlin 795 mags fit amazingly well in butt-stock elastic side saddles for 12 ga shotgun shells.  I had an extra one laying aorund and got bored one day.  Now I can hold 5 loaded mags right on the butt stock (+1 in the rifle) and keep them from banging around and getting hung up in my pockets if I happen to be out and about with my .22.  Now I just need to buy more mags without the Mrs. finding out......  

[dart67eb]

$13.99 at cdnn  http://www.cdnninvestments.com/mabopre88au2.html

Thanks for the link!  I wonder if I just call some of these companies if theyll still charge me 8 bucks shipping if I want to order just one or two mags.  Its a hard pill to swallow when the mags are darn near 20 bucks a pop, but I cannot for the life of me find them anywhere local.  I made mention of it to a few people at the gun show some months ago and saw some there at the last one, but the guy was asking $20+ for one, so it winds up costing just as much, especialy after gun show ticket costs, etc.

I just wait until I need more stuff.  They have real good prices on AR mag's, too.  I got some 20 rd ones for like $6.99.