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Equipment Snobbery

Started by fepowered, August 29, 2011, 01:42:59 PM

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techres

On equipment attrition:

I don't sweat it.  A sling here, a swivel there, it is no more expensive than what I used to spend shooting my own ammo.  Oh, there's that too - the ammo students eat up of mine.

I am not wealthy, actually quite the opposite.   But I decided one day that spending my political donation funds in loaners, and tithing in hot brass is the best way to spend what I have to share in making a better future is better than what I did before.

And I am not gonna let a loss of a sling fuss me none or take any bit of the smile off my face watching those shooters in their bubbles.

O0

Techres

P.S. Oh, and sometimes I come out ahead.  At the last shoot someone took one of my rifle bags and left me theirs instead.  Theirs was WAAAYYYY better than mine.
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George63

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techres

Quote from: George63 on September 09, 2011, 01:56:41 AM
as I started this tread down this diversionary path I will respond to this: I am not "sweating" slings etc getting away. I am making a plan for this to not happen and executing this plan, you me and most all other instructors give away a lot of ammo, that is not much reason to also give away sling etc BTW the main reason stuff going missing irritates me is not the expense of replacement but the disruption of organization. When I organize my setup, not for my own use but to aid the shooters, missing items disrupt the system.

And you are a better man than I as I have given up on the disruptions.   I envy that kind of organization.  Keeping the slings with the rifles is a slick solution to the problem.  I am simply to weak in the face of a shooter needing a sling. 

Give me another year and I probably will jbweld the slings on the rifles and keep me from giving in...   O0
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mac66

To get back on subject. 

I've watched students shoot all kinds of rifles and it always makes me wonder if I could shoot rifleman with what they bring to the line. I've watched them shoot SKSs, FALs, M1a, AKs, MN 91/93s, AR15 etc.

So far I haven't seen anyone shoot rifleman with them. Of course there are also the tube feds, bolt actions and even a slide action 22 on the line. I've not seen any lever actions yet.

Fortunately I was able to put together a diverse collection of rifles back in the day (when some were cheap)  before I retired.   One thing I've done is try to run through a course of fire for each of those types of rifles.  For example a couple weeks ago I watched a guy struggle with his M1a for two days so last week I took my M1a to the range to shoot a simulated course of fire to see what problems he might have had. (mag changes are a big issue as well as recoil)   I've also run though the COF with my AR, AK, SKS and Mosin.

I've learned a couple things. First each rifle has unique challenges. Second, if you practice with a 22 rifle with a web sling and tech sights and get the techniques down, then shoot any other rifle with the same web sling and military peep sights (or similar) what you learn with the 22 directly transfers to the other rifle once you've learned the unique aspects of that particular rifle.
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Mac66 of the list of Rifles you give I have only seen Rifleman made with the AR15...and more than once.
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if you want a nice challenge, try to shoot the score with a bolty, even a 22 is tough

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Quote from: mac66 on September 09, 2011, 10:32:36 AM
So far I haven't seen anyone shoot rifleman with them. Of course there are also the tube feds, bolt actions and even a slide action 22 on the line. I've not seen any lever actions yet.
Fortunately I was able to put together a diverse collection of rifles back in the day (when some were cheap)  before I retired.   One thing I've done is try to run through a course of fire for each of those types of rifles.  For example a couple weeks ago I watched a guy struggle with his M1a for two days so last week I took my M1a to the range to shoot a simulated course of fire to see what problems he might have had. (mag changes are a big issue as well as recoil)   I've also run though the COF with my AR, AK, SKS and Mosin.
I've learned a couple things. First each rifle has unique challenges. Second, if you practice with a 22 rifle with a web sling and tech sights and get the techniques down, then shoot any other rifle with the same web sling and military peep sights (or similar) what you learn with the 22 directly transfers to the other rifle once you've learned the unique aspects of that particular rifle.
I concur. What you and SPQR stated should hit the heart of every instructor. What we are trying to do is teach our shooters to shoot 4 MOA with rack grade rifles, yet we ourselves don't.  I regularly try to 'qualify' with other rifles so that I can become more familier with them. This helps me out tremendously when I approach a fumbling shooter on the line. Also being familiar with their style of rifle helps with your credibilty.
Unfortunately, I have yet to full complete both rapid fires with my mosin on 1 AQT. It'll happen though...)
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