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Open support hand is all good for a .22 ..........

Started by heliotropicmoth, December 10, 2012, 04:40:48 PM

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heliotropicmoth

December 10, 2012, 04:40:48 PM
But when you move up to a scoped 30-06 you should have a good hold of the rifle.  ;)



Now I will have a harry potter scar, but at least my story is better.  :slap:


Unbridled Liberty

#1
December 10, 2012, 05:16:46 PM
Sorry to see your injury, but that is not caused by an open support hand.  I assume this was in prone?  I would look at proper sling tension, moving your scope forward, firm handshake grip and a good cheek weld.

UL

slim

#2
December 10, 2012, 05:35:32 PM
Our buddy DryFire has one of those as well. I think his needed something like six stitches. It builds character!

Along with all the things UL listed above, making sure that rifle is deeply seated in the pocket will take care of that. Happy shootin!

heliotropicmoth

#3
December 10, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
Yeah the problem was no sling and I didn't realize how close I was to the scope. As soon as I got the "shadow" to go away I took aim and squeezed the trigger. This was in the seated position. If I would have had a sling your right this wouldn't have happened. I prefer learning the hard way.  ;)

colycat

#4
December 10, 2012, 05:53:15 PM
Turkey neck
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FiremanBob

#5
December 10, 2012, 06:10:21 PM
...and stock not firmly placed in shoulder pocket. This is common for folks who mount the scope too far back, as they push the rifle forward to obtain the correct eye relief. A two-handed pistol hold on a .30-06 is guaranteed to cause scope-bite.
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slim

#6
December 10, 2012, 06:12:07 PM
You guys up for some more Appleseed at Celina in a few weeks?

Your scar should be pretty well healed and you'll have one heck of a story to tell. - And the chance to earn a blue patch since this one will be a Winterseed for sure!

oladcock

#7
December 10, 2012, 07:12:40 PM
Yep, I had a run in a few years back with a cheap Chinese scope (short eye relief) and a .300 Win mag. Tried to be tough and pretend nothing happened but you can't hide the blood! :)...O.L.
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December 10, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: heliotropicmoth on December 10, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
As soon as I got the "shadow" to go away I took aim and squeezed the trigger. This was in the seated position. If I would have had a sling your right this wouldn't have happened. I prefer learning the hard way.  ;)

Seated position always puts me the furthest over the stock.  The rear sight on my AR15 hit my glasses in seated unless I add a spacer to make the stock longer than A2 length... 

In addition to having the rifle firmly planted in the shoulder pocket, make sure you aren't backing off on the turkey neck to get rid of the shadow in the scope.  Without a good turkey neck, your head is free to move toward the scope during recoil and BAM!  If you are fully turkey necked, your neck can't go any further forward so when the rifle kicks back your head moves back with it.  Try moving your scope further forward unless you're really a big Harry Potter fan  ;)

colycat

#9
December 10, 2012, 09:24:22 PM
Turkey neck, we teach it for a reason.  Your head  is connected to the neck bone, which is connected the shoulder bone.  If you a stretched out, your head has to follow your shoulder.

Sounds like the scope was not in the right place.
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Jerry Hall

#10
December 10, 2012, 09:35:06 PM
Howdy All,

I had no idea that I had a long neck until I started on the path of Rifle marksmanship.  :wb:
Since then I have made a significant investment in the products of Evolution Gun Works(wish I had bought stock). #)

Now, all of my rifles are equiped to afford me proper eye relief in all positions.

Check out EGW at: http://www.egwguns.com/index.php?p=egw_store
Extended Rails are their specialty. Dang good products.  :bow:

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#11
December 10, 2012, 11:36:33 PM
EGW is an American company down to the packaging as well.
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heliotropicmoth

#12
December 11, 2012, 10:02:23 AM
Quote from: slim on December 10, 2012, 06:12:07 PM
You guys up for some more Appleseed at Celina in a few weeks?

Your scar should be pretty well healed and you'll have one heck of a story to tell. - And the chance to earn a blue patch since this one will be a Winterseed for sure!

I would love to but I volunteer with the Forest Service in KY every month on the second Saturday. Sounds like fun, Celina is about a 2 hour drive for us. We may check it out in the future.

Quote from: Caliper on December 10, 2012, 07:48:53 PM
Quote from: heliotropicmoth on December 10, 2012, 05:50:14 PM
As soon as I got the "shadow" to go away I took aim and squeezed the trigger. This was in the seated position. If I would have had a sling your right this wouldn't have happened. I prefer learning the hard way.  ;)

Seated position always puts me the furthest over the stock.  The rear sight on my AR15 hit my glasses in seated unless I add a spacer to make the stock longer than A2 length... 

In addition to having the rifle firmly planted in the shoulder pocket, make sure you aren't backing off on the turkey neck to get rid of the shadow in the scope.  Without a good turkey neck, your head is free to move toward the scope during recoil and BAM!  If you are fully turkey necked, your neck can't go any further forward so when the rifle kicks back your head moves back with it.  Try moving your scope further forward unless you're really a big Harry Potter fan  ;)

I am a big Harry Potter fan but the rifle is not mine. It was someone's brand new 30-06 hunting rifle. I guarantee I will never make this mistake again.  :)

wcmartin1

#13
December 11, 2012, 10:10:54 AM Last Edit: December 11, 2012, 10:15:42 AM by wcmartin1
Yes, unfortunately for most of us, pain is usually the best teacher.

One question - did you throw off the scope's zero with your face?  :cool2: **)
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heliotropicmoth

#14
December 11, 2012, 10:18:18 AM
Quote from: wcmartin1 on December 11, 2012, 10:10:54 AM
Yes, unfortunately for most of us, pain is usually the best teacher.

One question - did you throw off the scope's zero with your face?  :cool2: **)

I am sure I did. And I left some of my forehead on the scope as well.  :slap:

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#15
December 11, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
Heliotropicmoth, great blog!  Thanks, Rodge
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#16
December 12, 2012, 09:53:10 AM
Quote from: RODGE on December 11, 2012, 08:46:30 PM
Heliotropicmoth, great blog!  Thanks, Rodge

Thanks Rodge,

I post more in the spring through fall. The winter is slow on the homestead.

jimmythegeek

#17
April 30, 2013, 03:35:25 AM
This might explain the fat lip I got shooting 150 rounds or so in prone.  I thought turkey neck was holding the head *back*.  Because feathered turkeys have a 90 degree bend in the neck as they hold their heads up...and back.  I'll try it again stretching forward.  I have a long neck and maybe I'll invest in some of the products mentioned above.  I'm fine seated and prone, but I get smacked in the incisor where the stock widens for the receiver of my M1 every time I pull the trigger in prone. 

CaptG

#18
April 30, 2013, 06:14:38 PM
+++ on the EGW mount. The cantiliever model for the 10-22 is the only way I can get enough eye relief in prone. I've also discovered that I can remove it and my tech sites are still zeroed when re mounted
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#19
June 03, 2013, 10:44:42 AM
Scars are like tattoos...only with better stories ;)

Sly223

#20
June 03, 2013, 11:23:40 AM
SHF's are very important the first time you step up to center fire,you will find out how much stuff you were getting away with when firing rimfire.
You do not have the luxery of cheating hold factors on a .30 cal.
I was at the range yesterday I put 68 rounds through mine with my nose burried on the back of the receiver and no after effects what soever! Technique is far more important than strength.
I had a kid with his 30-06 bolty who is now on the forum as Burrisbrow.
Initially I laughed at him, but this was no laughing matter he severed the nerve controlling hi eye brow and needed plastic surgery to repair.
This might have been a cheap lesson in comparrison! O0
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#21
August 25, 2013, 03:18:30 PM
Consider moving your scope forward enough that the rear of it is about in line with the rear of the trigger guard. This may require different bases/rings.
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#22
August 25, 2013, 07:50:21 PM
Had a young man come up to me at an event at Hernando a couple of years ago. We were shooting KD at 200 yards at the time. He asked "How do you do it?"

"Do what?" I replied.

"Get that close up on your M1 when shooting? I just put a tooth through my upper lip." Sure enough he had a cut in his upper lip that looked like his tooth had gone all the way through.

I explained the I used a good "turkey neck" as instructed and my cheek was held tight against my thumb of the trigger hand, placed over the comb of the stock. I told him that with the turkey neck and a good "hand shake" grip pulling the rifle tight into the shoulder prevented the rifle from moving back under recoil without you head following. "If you let the rifle get a head-start on your head during recoil, it will bite you."

After the next course of fire, he came back all grins. "That works!"

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#23
August 25, 2013, 11:43:27 PM
Helio,

I sure hope your head didn't screw the scope up.   ;D

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