Project Appleseed

Your Appleseed State Board => North Carolina (Henry Foxall) => Topic started by: Aim Small Hit Small on June 07, 2017, 10:51:30 PM

Title: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Aim Small Hit Small on June 07, 2017, 10:51:30 PM
Well, I guess that in order not to offend, I must include Dangerous Old Women too.  We've all heard the dangerous old men/women stories. As a way to encourage older shooters to sharpen up their rifle skills, maybe there needs to be a special way to recognize these seniors as being a Dangerous Old Man/Woman once they earn a Rifleman Patch. Just brainstorming.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: DrRichP on June 08, 2017, 12:51:24 AM
I like where this is going Aim Small Hit Small. I often tell the stories of Prudence Cummings Wright, Sybil Ludington, Nancy Hart, and Margaret Cochran Corbin.

When you write "maybe there needs to be a special way to recognize these seniors as being a Dangerous Old Man/Woman once they earn a Rifleman Patch", what were you thinking? Something like a special Grey colored Rifleman's badge for those over 65? Something like that or something different?
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Nashville Stage on June 08, 2017, 02:32:39 AM
Maybe have a patch where "Rifleman" is in large print.  **) >:D
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Laredo on June 08, 2017, 09:32:00 AM
I actually laughed out lout at that!... 

good one.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Texas T on June 08, 2017, 01:55:09 PM
Maybe have a patch where "Rifleman" is in large print.  **) >:D

Too funny. Being of that age, I'd vote for it if given the opportunity. But then, maybe the assumption would be that we'd used larger print targets, so I guess I'd have to rethink this.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: goodoldfriend on June 08, 2017, 03:38:58 PM
I like the idea of a grey RIFLEMAN patch.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Nashville Stage on June 08, 2017, 03:59:33 PM
Another variation idea for the suggestion box: Make a silver Rifleman patch, and have an added line underneath that says "Dangerous Old Man" or "Dangerous Old Woman".

Or, make the silver Rifleman patch with the normal design, and then make a separate silver rocker patch that goes underneath that says "Dangerous Old Man" or "Dangerous Old Woman".
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Aim Small Hit Small on June 08, 2017, 09:14:02 PM
I kinda like the patch and rocker idea. Maybe silver or gray with "Dangerous Old Men"  or "Women." I loved all the replies.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: DrRichP on June 08, 2017, 10:04:55 PM
Hmm. How about a flat Grey rocker the reads "Dangerous Old" and can be put on top of a Rifleman's badge, so it would read 'Dangerous Old Rifleman'?
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: eaglescouter on June 08, 2017, 10:37:29 PM
A grey or silver rifleman patch is a cool idea.

However the concept of a "Dangerous" patch is troublesome.
I do not need society to know that I was deemed "dangerous" by a marksmanship organization, and I certainly do not want to know what havoc that could cause in a courtroom with a less than 2A friendly prosecutor following an armed self defense incident.

I do fully support the concept of strips to go under the rifleman patch.
Senior
Junior
Iron Sights
Optics
Bolt Action
Semi Auto
Full Distance
Rimfire
Centerfire

Until I get access to a time machine the 'junior' strip will elude my grasp, but I would attend events and strive to earn (and wear) all of the others.  And I know others who would pay to attend more events if they could earn 2 strips per Appleseed.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: DrRichP on June 08, 2017, 11:03:21 PM
However the concept of a "Dangerous" patch is troublesome. I do not need society to know that I was deemed "dangerous" by a marksmanship organization, and I certainly do not want to know what havoc that could cause in a courtroom with a less than 2A friendly prosecutor following an armed self defense incident.

Fair enough, Dangerous anything is off the table.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Aim Small Hit Small on June 08, 2017, 11:22:42 PM
So the next step is to remove "Dangerous Old Men" from the Appleseed Course of Fire?
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: eaglescouter on June 08, 2017, 11:35:10 PM
So the next step is to remove "Dangerous Old Men" from the Appleseed Course of Fire?

Those distinguished gentlemen were  in fact dangerous old men.
I have no issue with that designation from a historical perspective.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Nashville Stage on June 08, 2017, 11:43:09 PM
I think having "Dangerous Old Man / Dangerous Old Woman" as a separate rocker is a nice compromise. It's humorous & gives credit to those who earn it, yet gives each person the option to wear it (or not) as they see fit.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: hogfamily on June 09, 2017, 02:11:36 AM
If we are talking patches.

I would like to see a Daughter of Liberty patch.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Yankee Doodle on June 10, 2017, 05:03:46 PM
So, while understanding and acknowledging the potential litigation piece - surely there's something that can be done.  I honestly think that if it ever came up, given it's place in the heritage portion of our program it wouldn't be something insurmountable in either legal or PR space.

But if it is that serious of a concern, why not an "Alarm Lister" rocker or some such.  Perhaps as separate wording on the bottom of the Rifleman patch (RIFLEMAN - Betsy Ross Flag - ALARM LISTER)?

After all, that's what all the Dangerous Old Men were in the historical context - and they proved their mettle was equal to that of the Minutemen and colonial militiamen.

The silver/grey Rifleman patch is a great idea regardless of whether or not there's a DOM/DOW patch or rocker....offered as a choice to those 65 and over who shoot the Rifeman's Score.
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Twineagles on June 12, 2017, 08:06:26 PM
Hmm. How about a flat Grey rocker the reads "Dangerous Old" and can be put on top of a Rifleman's badge, so it would read 'Dangerous Old Rifleman'?


That would get my vote
Mike
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Dude on June 13, 2017, 03:59:00 PM
Why not just use DOM/DOW, and let them explain when people ask...... ?
Title: Re: Dangerous Old Men
Post by: Aim Small Hit Small on June 13, 2017, 09:42:06 PM
Lots of input here. I'm happy to see the interest in this issue. It appears that "Dangerous " anything is off the table. Maybe this will work? Everyone at their first Appleseed heard the colorful story of Samuel Whittmore and at age 80 how he fought the Redcoats. How about a new Rifleman's Patch called the "Whittmore Patch or Rocker?" Gray/Silver Rifleman patch/rocker with lettering across the top reading "Whitmore-Rifleman?"

Whittmore-Rifleman!  That should get all you potentially dangerous old men back on the range.  ^:)^