I woke up this morning and heard on the radio that Illinois is trying to get concealed carry passed in the house. Below is a link to the House Bill (HB148):
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=148&GAID=11&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=54713&SessionID=84
I have no idea what the odds are, but it certainly sounds like a good time to rally the troops. I will be writing my house and senate demoncratic representatives to explain my support for this. FYI, you can use the above website to find out who represents you and how to contact them.
Don't forget to ask them to not just support it, but to cosponsor it. This bill contains state preemption but there is also another bill that has it too. Ask them to get on board with both of them.
Also the hard one. Be sure to write the Governor, he has stated he will veto such a bill. We need to get him on board as well.
2cl
Good luck --keep up the pressure O0
BTW Wyoming has "Constitutional Carry" on the govenor's desk awaiting his signature . When (If) he signs it ,that will make 4 including Vermont ,Alaska, and recently Arizona .
When Alaska was considering "CC" the police chief of Wasilla AK spoke against this common sense legislation .
His career was ended when the former Mayor of Wasilla fired him because of his anti rights views. ;D
The fired police chief whined to the courts with no effect. The Mayor had the authority to fire this antigun CHUMP O0
Is it any wonder the state controlled media is constantly ridiculing this pro freedom former mayor -govenor of USA's largest state.
Quote from: Gravy on March 01, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
I woke up this morning and heard on the radio that Illinois is trying to get concealed carry passed in the house. Below is a link to the House Bill (HB148):
http://www.ilga.gov/legislation/billstatus.asp?DocNum=148&GAID=11&GA=97&DocTypeID=HB&LegID=54713&SessionID=84
I have no idea what the odds are, but it certainly sounds like a good time to rally the troops. I will be writing my house and senate demoncratic representatives to explain my support for this. FYI, you can use the above website to find out who represents you and how to contact them.
Now if only Wisconsin would be considering such a bill....you guys are ahead of us on that one.
Don't forget about IGOLD - Illinois Gun Owners Lobby Day - coming up March 10 (a week from Thursday).
Gun owners from all over Illinois are showing up. We're shooting (pardon the pun) for 10,000.
The CC bill is scheduled to begin consideration on March 8.
If you are an Illinois gun owner, it is VERY important that you be there IF AT ALL POSSIBLE. Take the day off from work. If you don't want to drive, catch one of the busses; see http://igold.isra.org/ for bus info.
This will be thousands of Illinoisians, peacefully and proudly letting their government know what they want it to do. Civic involvement is one of the goals of becoming an awakened American at Appleseed. So get off the couch and get there on March 10.
Not incidentally, if you take one of the busses, you'll have however long the bus ride is with a captive audience of 40 or 50 souls to talk to about Appleseed...
The Editor
Quote from: Johnnyappleseed on March 01, 2011, 12:48:33 PM
Good luck --keep up the pressure O0
BTW Wyoming has "Constitutional Carry" on the govenor's desk awaiting his signature . When (If) he signs it ,that will make 4 including Vermont ,Alaska, and recently Arizona .
JA,
Somehow I have missed "Constitutional Carry" so I looked it up.
2A - Here's an article about CC and several states that are working on CC Bills.
Excerpt:
"Under Freedom To Carry, sometimes called Vermont carry or Alaska-style carry, basically, the government stays out of your face as you exercise your fundamental human and civil right to own and carry property. Arms, by the way, are the only enumerated objects in the Constitution or Bill of Rights that you are guaranteed the right to possess."
http://www.gunlaws.com/ConstitutionalCarry.htm
POP
And you guys make fun of CA gun laws!! Just kidding ;D. Best of success in this endeavor, don't let up for a second!
The Illinois bill is for Concealed Carry, under a permit system.
It's not Constitutional Carry (which is a pity, because when I grow up, I want to live in a state with Constitutional Carry).
At any rate, the carry bill is coming up in Illinois; IGOLD is coming up in Illinois; and this year is the best chance we've ever had to make it a reality.
48 other states can't be wrong.
Be in Springfield, at the Prairie Capital Convention Center, at 11:45 AM next Thursday, March 10.
The Editor
Pop ,
The county I live in basically has no provision for any concealed carry(except those well conected ) needless to say those who elect the sheriff would be most welcome by Chicago's new (old) mayor. :(
How we ever got to the place of needing govt permission to protect ourselves,loved ones and society in general is a mystery .
Until we get more folks involved with voting "freedom first" the state of victim disarmament will only accelerate .
Keep up the good work in Illinois.We are proud of you O0
JA
Another issue youse Illinois guys are facing the attorney General there just ruled that your firearm owners card is public information so anyone can request it.
On a lighter side one woman on the radio said that the criminals can find out who don't own guns and rob them.
JG
Quote from: Jungle George on March 03, 2011, 01:16:38 AM
Another issue youse Illinois guys are facing the attorney General there just ruled that your firearm owners card is public information so anyone can request it.
On a lighter side one woman on the radio said that the criminals can find out who don't own guns and rob them.
JG
And on the darker side, criminals can find out WHO HAS GUNS AND ROB THEM.
2cl
Couple of observations (then back to work, so as to avoid the dreaded thread drift police...):
1) Robbing people who are known to have guns...begs nomination for a Darwin Award...
2) In "Unintended Consequences," John Ross says something like (don't remember exact quote and autographed copy of book @ home), "Insulting
and depriving a people of their rights (sound familiar, AS Instructors?) is a very bad idea." True, from one of the best, imho, books written, despite
its 800+ pages.
3) NYS law allows each county's Surrogate Judge to decide, WITHOUT APPEAL, what kind of handgun license he or she will issue, e.g. "full" carry, concealed...the dreaded, and extremely common "hunting and target" restriction, or various others. Patently unfair, arbitrary, indefensible, and unable
to be changed...
4) NYS licenses are good anywhere in the state...except the five counties/boroughs of NYC (see comments in #3). NYC Permits, however, are also
valid throughout the state...again, see #3...Ironically, there are two counties beyond NYC - Nassau and Suffolk, in which our non-NYC permits are valid. One just has to figure out how to get to them (and they contain the AS range at Calverton) without setting foot in NYC. Boat? Helicopter?
Transporter beam? Angels? Self levitation? Other?
5) There have been a number of attempts in NYS, most recently in my own Warren County, to have the County supply, or otherwise publish a LIST
of Pistol Permit holders under the FOIL statutes...thus far they have been unsuccessful...but, as seen in other states, they WILL continue.
6) Also bears repeating that Chicago, one of the least firearms-friendly places outside of New Jersey and, wait for it, Massachusetts, summarily ended all scholastic riflery programs in the city schools some years back, without benefit of any discussion whatsoever, despite the fact that there are still some thirty colleges (non-service academies) that offer scholasrships for Riflery (NC State, Alaska, Ole Miss to mention just a few).
The fight, and the Riflemen's persistence, goes on.
Excelsior,
madMark
The Illinois State Police, who are the keepers of the FOID registration data base, have again,
respectfully declined to release the records. O0 There is already a stipulation in Illinois Law that no information has to be released if it could result in the potential harm or death of a police officer or others. If the list was revealed, it would show who potentially has firearms, and those who don't. It would also reveal the addresses of current and past police officers, putting them at risk also.
I don't know where the Atty. General's head is at!! This is being requested b/c a nosey person from the Associated Press wants it. This is apparently the 2nd time she has tried to have the records made public. The state police want the result to be determined through the courts.
Pray, stay strong and write, call and fax your congressmen and Lisa Madigan's office!!!
Patriot Gal
Quote from: Jungle George on March 03, 2011, 01:16:38 AM
Another issue youse Illinois guys are facing the attorney General there just ruled that your firearm owners card is public information so anyone can request it.
On a lighter side one woman on the radio said that the criminals can find out who don't own guns and rob them.
JG
IGOLD MARCH 10.... BE THERE!!!!! ..:.. ..:.. ..:.. ..:.. ..:.. ..:..
G69 ----- I knew you would be going to Springfield ^5
Tell Richard Pearson Hi for me . He has a sense of humor nearly as good as yours ;D
He probably will not recall KCMG shoot 06 ---- where he represented Illinois State Rifle Association--- I think he is the executive director or was.
Good luck we are with you ;)
JA
Is there any plans for an Appleseed group meetup at I-Gold?
Carpool or caravan sure sounds like fun --------------wish we could be there :(
Wonder if the state controlled media will cover this ?
Looking forward to lots of pics O0
Guns Save Life .com will have a table in the lobby of the Prairie Capital Conv. Center Thursday; I'll be there, if any ASers want to stop by. I'll have some AS flyers there.
TE
Yesterday HB 148 passed the committee 12 - 2.
If you support this cause the time is now. Write that 2 minute letter. Send the email if that's the best you can do, but putting it on paper with a stamp still carries more weight. If for some reason you missplaced the page with your rep's address, you can find it here:
http://www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx (http://www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx)
Thanks
2cl
PS if you don't support this cause there is an Austrialian Cricket marathon on ESPN. Pull up a couch. **)
Fantastic! One step at a time.
Quick question, and excuse me for not knowing how "the system" works. I noticed that there are also house bills 112 and 1403 for concealed carry. Why are there 3 of them? Does anyone know the difference? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: Gravy on March 09, 2011, 12:53:51 PM
Fantastic! One step at a time.
Quick question, and excuse me for not knowing how "the system" works. I noticed that there are also house bills 112 and 1403 for concealed carry. Why are there 3 of them? Does anyone know the difference? Thanks in advance.
1403 has you apply directly to the Ill. State Police. 148 & 112 go thru the county sheriff.
I read 148, haven't read 112. There will be some minor differences. It is quite common to introduce several bills with minor differences. 148 is the one that floats best, so be it.
I shot in Australia once at one of there indoor ranges, it was a joke they cable lock the pistol down when there on line. Cant aim or even move it.
If anyone has trifolds or other AS handouts to bring, and we don't have an AS table, please bring them and leave them on the Guns Save Life table. GSL will have a table both at the Prairie Capital Convention Center and inside the Capitol.
TE
live e-mail address for Miss Gordon - a quick note asking her to support the bill
92nd Illinois House District
Representative Jehan Gordon
300 E War Memorial Dr, Suite 303
Peoria, IL 61614
Phone: (309)-672-9292
PH: (217) 782-3186
FAX: (217) 782-1275
repjehangordon@gmail.com
This is it. The time is now. Today. Not tomorrow. Not next week.
Write your Rep's. Find them here:
http://www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx (http://www.elections.state.il.us/DistrictLocator/DistrictOfficialSearchByAddress.aspx)
If you don't know what to say, start with the following and follow your heart. Change it up. We don't want the same letter from everyone. Remember, respectful, short and firm. Be sure to put your name and address and sign. Hand written is better than typed, snail mail is better than email.
Now the hard part, after you write your letter, call all your relatives, friends and neighbors and ask them to do the same. If they don't know their reps, help them do the research.
The Honorable Rep. Dolittle
Office building number
Springfield, IL 00000
Dear Ms. Dolittle
I am a voter in your district and I'm asking you to support HB148. This is critical legislation to bring Illinois in line with the rest of the country. I need your support to insure that we have a veto proof majority.
Yours truly
Ima Voter
123 Main Street
anytown, IL 00000
thanks
2cl
TE since I am the closest resupply depot and I will be headed for Normal, Illinois this afternoon, tell me where we can meet
and I will bring what I have available which includes some trifolds, Fliers and 18x24 posters. Let me know if this works
and where you would like meet that is central such as Market Street off exit 160 - Highway 55 or just off the Mitsubishi Parkway.
Best regards,
CM
Quote from: TheEditor on March 09, 2011, 04:30:20 PM
If anyone has trifolds or other AS handouts to bring, and we don't have an AS table, please bring them and leave them on the Guns Save Life table. GSL will have a table both at the Prairie Capital Convention Center and inside the Capitol.
TE
CM,
Thanks. I'm good for now; just got a mess of trifolds in the shoot box for the Danville shoot that was delivered over the weekend.
TE
That's a big
10/4. Just remember that we are a supply Depot for this part of Illinois from way back when Pappy set this up.
If you ever need something, just give me a call.
Good luck on your presentation
Cheers,
CM
Quote from: TheEditor on March 14, 2011, 01:34:08 PM
CM,
Thanks. I'm good for now; just got a mess of trifolds in the shoot box for the Danville shoot that was delivered over the weekend.
TE
Back on topic, and BTT.
There is a lot of activity on this now folks. When I hear reps say ALL of their constituents are OPPOSED to this bill, yet all I hear on the radio, and online is SUPPORT, Something is VERY wrong. Let your congress folks know, I mean really KNOW how YOU feel about YOUR state government.
I'm writing my letters today (One to my state senator Dan Duffy, and the other to my rep Ed Sullivan Jr). I've been slacking, and I cannot attend another Appleseed without taking 5 minutes to write two very important letters.
Think about it...can you find a few minutes? Have something better to do? Did Isaac Davis have something better to do April 19th, when he left his home?
My letter was sent in! Karen Yarborough knows my feelings. Irony in action: she lists in her biography that "pulic safety" is one of her priorities, yet she will undoubetly vote for criminal safety. She's part of the problem!
It's too late to use snail mail. Vote might be tomorrow. Email or call.I have had a running email dialog with my rep Ann Williams from Chicago. She is dead opposed. I am still blasting her with facts and figures.
2cl
Quote from: Gumballhead on May 04, 2011, 11:36:45 AM
Back on topic, and BTT.
There is a lot of activity on this now folks. When I hear reps say ALL of their constituents are OPPOSED to this bill, yet all I hear on the radio, and online is SUPPORT, Something is VERY wrong. Let your congress folks know, I mean really KNOW how YOU feel about YOUR state government.
I'm writing my letters today (One to my state senator Dan Duffy, and the other to my rep Ed Sullivan Jr). I've been slacking, and I cannot attend another Appleseed without taking 5 minutes to write two very important letters.
Think about it...can you find a few minutes? Have something better to do? Did Isaac Davis have something better to do April 19th, when he left his home?
Quote from: 2 clicks low on May 04, 2011, 12:12:45 PM
It's too late to use snail mail. Vote might be tomorrow. Email or call.I have had a running email dialog with my rep Ann Williams from Chicago. She is dead opposed. I am still blasting her with facts and figures.
2cl
Quote from: Gumballhead on May 04, 2011, 11:36:45 AM
Back on topic, and BTT.
There is a lot of activity on this now folks. When I hear reps say ALL of their constituents are OPPOSED to this bill, yet all I hear on the radio, and online is SUPPORT, Something is VERY wrong. Let your congress folks know, I mean really KNOW how YOU feel about YOUR state government.
I'm writing my letters today (One to my state senator Dan Duffy, and the other to my rep Ed Sullivan Jr). I've been slacking, and I cannot attend another Appleseed without taking 5 minutes to write two very important letters.
Think about it...can you find a few minutes? Have something better to do? Did Isaac Davis have something better to do April 19th, when he left his home?
Good thing I just sent them each an email too. I'll call them at lunch!
BEST WISHES GUYS!!! PRAYING ALL YOUR HARD WORK COMES TO FRUITION!!! O0 O0
My senator, Dan Duffy just wrote me back that he's 100% in support of CCW, and always has been. it was nice of him to thank me for getting involved, and shared Appleseed's sentiment that more people should take a moment to get involved with their governments.
This is it.
LINK to article in Journal Star from ISRA
http://www.pjstar.com/free/x1621727990/Ill-committee-passes-gun-bill-despite-veto-threat (http://www.pjstar.com/free/x1621727990/Ill-committee-passes-gun-bill-despite-veto-threat)
Should be called for a house vote tomorrow. CALL /EMAIL email your rep today.
Next start writing the Govenor. Hand Written is best followed by Typed, Email & Phone in that order.
Thanks
2cl
Good on you guys for standing up and fighting the good fight. Even we here in NM have many more "rights" then others, but we too have some loose ends to tie up but there are bright spots. My wife and I yesterday had to go file a report at the PD. Figured they'd hand us a form, fill it out, pass it back under the protective glass with a "we'll call if we have questions" response. Nope, officer came out, chatted for a moment, said come on back to fill out the report. "Ah....Officer, we're both carrying"....Shocked look on his face..."Do you have a permit?", "Yes sir", No problem, come on back", he didn't even ask to see it. To give you an idea of how far some states have to go, we can and do open carry at city council meetings! ....O.L.
Just heard back from my state rep. Turns out he's a co-sponsor of the bill, but still does not reduce the importance of holding these guys responsible!
How about everyone else? let's make sure we let them know how we feel about this!
Quote from: oladcock on May 04, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
Good on you guys for standing up and fighting the good fight. Even we here in NM have many more "rights" then others, but we too have some loose ends to tie up but there are bright spots. My wife and I yesterday had to go file a report at the PD. Figured they'd hand us a form, fill it out, pass it back under the protective glass with a "we'll call if we have questions" response. Nope, officer came out, chatted for a moment, said come on back to fill out the report. "Ah....Officer, we're both carrying"....Shocked look on his face..."Do you have a permit?", "Yes sir", No problem, come on back", he didn't even ask to see it. To give you an idea of how far some states have to go, we can and do open carry at city council meetings! ....O.L.
Yup, it's really nice to open-carry pretty much everywhere I care to go here. I'm still waiting for us to go to AZ's style of Constitutional-carry though.
Guys I really appreciate the support from out of state people, but a letter or email from you may help as well.
Imagine if we got 1,000,000 email in a single day from across the nation. Some saying, "Now is the time for us to have it" and others saying, "I enjoy being able to protect myself, now is the time for your state to have the same rights."
It's not our fight. it's OUR FIGHT. 48 states have come CCW law. Do you know how many times I've heard, "I would love to come to the 300, but I won't enter a state that forces me to disarm at the boarder." It forces me to think... (Again... My thoughts here) "Oh, I see you have traded you living room couch for a larger couch."
We the people are in this fight together, to quote Ab, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Think about it united we stand, for divided we will surely fall.
I think it goes for every shoot boss when I say... If I was the shoot boss at your first shoot. I didn't get you off the couch to save "JUST" your state, but a nation.
respectfully,
G.B.
PS... I call and send an email to my rep every day.
I am happy to report that my Rep, Tom Holbrook, is a co-sponsor on HB148. He has indicated to me on more than one occasion that he will support all pro-gun bills and will not support any anti-gun bill. Bless his heart. :)
Come on IL CCW!!!!!!
WOW!!!!! FREE STATE Eh?
Lucky guy. O0
Cheers
CM
Quote from: oladcock on May 04, 2011, 03:36:27 PM
Good on you guys for standing up and fighting the good fight. Even we here in NM have many more "rights" then others, but we too have some loose ends to tie up but there are bright spots. My wife and I yesterday had to go file a report at the PD. Figured they'd hand us a form, fill it out, pass it back under the protective glass with a "we'll call if we have questions" response. Nope, officer came out, chatted for a moment, said come on back to fill out the report. "Ah....Officer, we're both carrying"....Shocked look on his face..."Do you have a permit?", "Yes sir", No problem, come on back", he didn't even ask to see it. To give you an idea of how far some states have to go, we can and do open carry at city council meetings! ....O.L.
Looks like it didn't make it for the first round !@#) !@#)
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/05/conceal-carry-being-debated-in-illinois-house.html
Gotta keep hammering away at the "no" votes out there folks &) &) . This bill is not dead yet! :sos: :sos: :sos:
Check out this video ofSuzanna Gratia Hupp explaining the meaning of the 2nd Amendment! Very poigniant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1u0Byq5Qis)I know one thing, if I grow weary from well doing in Appleseed, I will find better things to do. O0
I took the time to blast emails and calls out, like the last stand of
Gunga Din http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1516766489/ (http://www.imdb.com/video/screenplay/vi1516766489/)
Perhaps there need be legislation passed that classifies Chicago as city state and be removed from the rest of Illinois?
Here, here Gopher Boy, right on brother, right on!!
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We are watching with baited breath and hoping.
CM
Quote from: Gopher Boy on May 04, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
Guys I really appreciate the support from out of state people, but a letter or email from you may help as well.
Imagine if we got 1,000,000 email in a single day from across the nation. Some saying, "Now is the time for us to have it" and others saying, "I enjoy being able to protect myself, now is the time for your state to have the same rights."
It's not our fight. it's OUR FIGHT. 48 states have come CCW law. Do you know how many times I've heard, "I would love to come to the 300, but I won't enter a state that forces me to disarm at the boarder." It forces me to think... (Again... My thoughts here) "Oh, I see you have traded you living room couch for a larger couch."
We the people are in this fight together, to quote Ab, "A house divided against itself cannot stand."
Think about it united we stand, for divided we will surely fall.
I think it goes for every shoot boss when I say... If I was the shoot boss at your first shoot. I didn't get you off the couch to save "JUST" your state, but a nation.
respectfully,
G.B.
PS... I call and send an email to my rep every day.
I truly feel for those of you who reside in states which proclaim to be 'free' yet aren't. Whenever the gun control freaks trot out their agendas in NM, they are shown Article II, Section 6, of the NM Constitution and then the door. This is Article II, section 6, of the New Mexico Constitution:
Sec. 6. [Right to bear arms.]
No law shall abridge the right of the citizen
to keep and bear arms for security and
defense, for lawful hunting and recreational
use and for other lawful purposes, but nothing
herein shall be held to permit the carrying
of concealed weapons. No municipality
or county shall regulate, in any way, an incident
of the right to keep and bear arms. (As
amended November 2, 1971 and November
2, 1986.)
I have no idea how your State Constitution reads, but you guys should really push to have your State Constitution changed to read similarly. We have folks working to remove the wording about concealed carry, but I understand it isn't TOO difficult to get your concealed carry permit. Personally, I open-carry pretty much everywhere I go... I don't care to obtain "permission" to defend myself and those around me.
You can read the NM State Constitution in its entirety here: http://www.sos.state.nm.us/pdf/NMConst2010Eng.pdf
Well, many of our Illinois ISHRA members will have received this note of encouragement that helps explain
and also make me aware of all the good work that has gone on behind the scenes.
I know I sent the video of Suzanna Gratia Hupp explaining the meaning of the 2nd Amendment to several
of our reps, including the governor himself for their viewing and consideration.
I even appealed to the fact that Florida takes in revenue for CC permits to the tune of 75 Million a year and that Illinois would do well in the
revenue department if they would give the green light for cc. However, Chicago politics and the Chicago city state
roll their power again. This is not over. If we keep active the turn for the better can be achieved.
Anyway, here is the latest news from ISHRA http://isra.org/
Cheers,
CM
Damn nanny state! A criminal's paradise.
"Come to Illinois to commit crimes. The citizens are unarmed. You are safe to mug and steal or whatever. And if you get caught, we'll give you free room and board, with medical and dental benefits, plus exercise privledges. O0 We also just eliminated the death penalty so your life is protected." 8)
What kinds of intellectual morons do we have running this state? ++)
Enough of the rant - I just needed to vent. I'm actually happy to see we got as close as we did. It's probably just a matter of time until the tide turns. I'd bet if we keep spreading the word we'll get it approved next time.
Perge!
Quote from: Gopher Boy on May 04, 2011, 06:34:54 PM
I think it goes for every shoot boss when I say... If I was the shoot boss at your first shoot. I didn't get you off the couch to save "JUST" your state, but a nation.
You go, Gopherboy. AND HOW. Ben Franklin had to draw'em a picture 'cause the out of state millitia's didn't feel that what was going on in Boston was of any concern to them. They soon learned the battle comes to everyone's door, eventually.
LEST WE FORGET.
Dinky
For those of you who don't know, in real life I have managed nonprofit foundations and have a fair amount of experience in the public sector. A quick reminder that we are a 501-3C and can not be directly involved in campaigning or lobbying. When talking to your representative be careful in how you frame Appleseed, if you do at all.
I point this out because I also recommend everyone contact their representatives again, especially the ones who lent their support. THANK THEM! Often elected officials only hear from constituents when emotions are high. They almost never hear from Joe average citizen thanking them for fighting the good fight after a losing battle.
It might be nice to have a separate conversation with them inviting them to a shoot.
good point - I will most certainly thank them!!
Yeah, well look at this video the politicians in Illinois should all be required watch.
COming to a neighborhood near your perhaps?? And there is doubt regarding CC?
Oh my how we have made victims of ourselves. This video suggests reason for CC
and asks the question what if this swarm had been packing? Perhaps, just perhaps they were
and it was not demonstrated.
Good grief, Charlie Brown, we need to produce more riflemen and riflewomen this year and next year and the year after that........... O0 in every state ASAP
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Z97FBHxE0&NR=1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_Z97FBHxE0&NR=1)http://www.8newsnow.com/story/14575982/mob-of-thieves-swarms-las-vegas-convenience-store (http://www.8newsnow.com/story/14575982/mob-of-thieves-swarms-las-vegas-convenience-store)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8TqyMbhU8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HR8TqyMbhU8)Oh, well some day Dorthy in a land of Oz, far, far away. How is Toto these days any how? ;)
Cheers,
CM
Quote from: Gravy on May 06, 2011, 10:38:13 AM
Damn nanny state! A criminal's paradise.
"Come to Illinois to commit crimes. The citizens are unarmed. You are safe to mug and steal or whatever. And if you get caught, we'll give you free room and board, with medical and dental benefits, plus exercise privledges. O0 We also just eliminated the death penalty so your life is protected." 8)
What kinds of intellectual morons do we have running this state? ++)
Enough of the rant - I just needed to vent. I'm actually happy to see we got as close as we did. It's probably just a matter of time until the tide turns. I'd bet if we keep spreading the word we'll get it approved next time.
Perge!
Please understand, boys and girls, this is not Appleseed. We all know the results. Contact them all and make sure they hear your voice. UNELECT THEM.
Now back to the Appleseed show, (A Rifleman) a day keeps the elected dummy away.
:)
Pappy
:)
Quote from: Gumballhead on May 06, 2011, 12:32:25 AM
Looks like it didn't make it for the first round !@#) !@#)
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/clout_st/2011/05/conceal-carry-being-debated-in-illinois-house.html
Gotta keep hammering away at the "no" votes out there folks &) &) . This bill is not dead yet! :sos: :sos: :sos:
If you live in the district of a nay sayer please contact them and inform them of the lawsuits for open carry started after their vote against concealed carry. Hey, maybe there was a relationship between the vote and the timing of the law suite. I find that they tend to not notice things as trivial as the courts until you show them.
NRA & ISRA started one and SAF started another. Please make a donation to all three as this is a Federal suite and will effect all states. No matter where you live, your support is needed. The rights you save are your own.
2cl
From the Illinois State Rifle Assn.
URGENT ALERT - YOUR IMMEDIATE ACTION NEEDED!
ANTI-CONCEALED CARRY LEGISLATOR TO HOLD TOWN HALL MEETING THIS WEDNESDAY - YOU NEED TO BE THERE!
As most of you readers know, Concealed Carry failed by just a few votes in the House this spring. Many of the "NO" votes were the result of arm-twisting by the Daley-Emanuel Gun Grabbing Machine.
One of the state representatives who voted "NO" on Concealed Carry is having a town hall meeting this Wednesday night. He has invited the public to come to the town hall to express their ideas to him for next session.
Regardless of where you live, this is your opportunity to inform an anti-gun legislator of your disappointment that Concealed Carry failed to pass. Again, even though you may not live in this legislator's district, your appearance at his town hall to object to his "NO" vote on concealed carry will send a message to all the other representatives who voted "NO." That message is, "We will not be quiet on this issue - we will not rest until the law-abiding citizens of Illinois are allowed to protect themselves and their families from violent thugs."
HERE IS WHAT YOU NEED TO DO TO HELP PASS CONCEALED CARRY DURING THE NEXT LEGISLATIVE SESSION:
1.Attend Rep. Keith Farnham's town hall meeting and let the Representative know you are unhappy with his "NO" vote on Concealed Carry.
2.Please post this alert to any and all blogs or Internet bulletin boards to which you belong.
3.Please send this alert along to your friends and family, tell them to attend too.
HERE IS INFORMATION ON THE TOWN HALL - READ IT CAREFULLY AND PLEASE ATTEND:
WHAT: Town Hall Meeting - open to the public
WHO: Rep. Keith Farnham (voted "NO" on Concealed Carry)
WHEN: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 7:00 PM
WHERE: Carpentersville Village Hall, 1200 L.W. Besinger Drive , Carpentersville, IL
REMEMBER - ONLY YOU CAN ENSURE THAT CONCEALED CARRY GETS PASSED. ATTEND THIS TOWN HALL - STAND UP AND BE COUNTED AS BEING ON THE SIDE OF WHAT'S RIGHT!
btt
We got anyone from team Il going to this?
It's official - Illinois is the last and only state that doesn't allow some form of carry.
http://news.yahoo.com/video/milwakeewisn-18667753/illinois-lone-holdout-on-concealed-carry-25760880.html
Congrats to our neighbors on their new rights! ..:..
The 7Th Circuit Court of Appeals has ruled against Chicago's Gun Range Ban.
They said the 2A issues deserve the same scrutiny as 1A issues.
They Chided Chicago for "thumbing the municipal nose at the Supreme Court"
SAF and ISRA have filed suite for Open Carry listing this decision as a basis.
My State Rep, Ann Williams, who I have had a very polite running email debate about HR 148 emailed and asked me if I had any idea if my side would accept the Opt IN/OUT proposals going around. I never heard of such a thing. Maybe it is only the anti's who think this would work. I told her that the ISRA and SAF would not abandon 1/4 of the population nor accept a patchwork map that could get you arrested for getting off for gas at the wrong exit.
She has not replied yet.
Attached is the ruling. It's fun reading.
2cl
Without state pre-emption of municipal laws regarding carry, any law "allowing" it would be completely meaningless. Kansas had that issue for a while, where every set of local rules could be completely different, allowing concealed carry within the city limits, but county laws prohibited any carry outside of unloaded/cased, but the next county over allowed open carry but not concealed.... They have state pre-emption now, and everyone gets to play by the same rules...
BigMike,
HR 148 includes preemption. She wanted to know if I thought the bill would be acceptable without it. I DON'T THINK SO.
Every body write your state reps and ask them to go back and pass HR148. Also contact your state Senator and ask them to introduce identical legislation to HR148 and pass it.
2cl
Go Illinois!
And hold fast on the pre-emption issue, Indiana just got rid of it last week but it took almost forever.
HH