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Title: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on January 27, 2011, 09:19:46 AM
Many reading this are 1st, 2nd, or 3rd decendants of "The Guy".  If not, you probably experienced his passion for history at a shoot you attended.  It wasn't "the 6 steps of firing a shot" or "how to make a safe rifle" or IMC  :wb: that triggered you to get off the couch.  It was the passion, the feeling, the emotions, the history.

Illinois is proud to roll out the first ever History Boot Camp to be held on April 2-3, 2011.  It will be held in the same location as our last IBC, the Masonic Temple in Ottawa.  There will be NO steady hold factors.  There will be NO prone, seated, standing demos.  There will be NO IMC. 

There will be  in depth discussion and demonstrations on how to tell "The Story".  There will be  numerous RH/SB there to guide you through how to arrange your thoughts so your story flows and has meaning.  There will be  ideas on how you can formulate a good benediction.  There will be  ideas on how to reach the shooters on your line for that shoot.  History is NOT cookie cutter stuff.  To be effective, it needs to be tailored for each shoot.

You've all heard that if Appleseed offered 2 day history clinics, no one would show up so we use shooting as the hook.  Well, Illinois is offering just that.  Two days of nothing but history.  It is highly recommended that you read OR re-read PRR beore attending.  This will be a TSP (Total Student Participation) event!

Bring a USB flash drive if you want SBIT info.  We will be happy to download the SBIT folder on your drive.  It is a good collection of things you will need as you change hat colors.  (History, Benedictions, forms, SB responsibilities, quotes, etc)

Cost is $20 per person.  Send a PM to Pappy to sign up.  "Camping" is available in the basement (just as with the IBC) starting Friday night.  With enough attendees, three squares on Saturday and breakfast and lunch on Sunday is included.  We will try to wrap it up by 1330 on Sunday so you can travel home (on a full stomach ;)) at a decent hour. 

We look forward to making some great story tellers so the "big push" on April 16-17 reaches as many shooters as possible.  Heard this somewhere..........."It ain't about the shootin' folks"

PM Pappy and hope to see a hundred or so  ~~:)  of you on April 2-3.

EEL

Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: 2 clicks low on January 27, 2011, 10:04:48 AM
I'm in.
PM sent to Pappy.
2cl

The beatings will continue until the History improves  ~~:)
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Cooper on January 27, 2011, 10:30:15 AM
AAARRRRRGGGHHHH !!!   :wb:

I would love to come to a History BC, but I'm stuck on hospital call that weekend.  Normally I could find someone to trade call weeks, but I just finished making 2 other trades so that I could go down to Memphis and work the Tea Party Promo and Shoots.   :(

Curses!!

I know the weekend will be a smashing success, and I hope that some of it can be taped or transcribed.

Let me know when the 2nd HBC is planned!!!!

Coop
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on January 27, 2011, 11:18:29 AM
Fellow Seeders,
This is going to be THE event of the year!  :D  This is your chance to hear and see how it's done by some of the best and most effective history presenters in Appleseed (some, not all  ;))
This is where you get to find out the deep down "why" and "how" to tell the story and pick the brains of some seasoned AS trail veterans. No pressure to get through the mechanics of
being an Instructor. Just a relaxed and focused weekend full of "The Story" and plenty of time to talk with people who tell it well. Don't miss it! And be sure to bring your recording devices.
It is going to be something you'll want to review in the future as you continue your Appleseed journey.

Looking forward to seeing you all there!
Boba
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: colycat on January 27, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
Shoot!  This is the weekend of Wisconsins "All hands on Deck" weekend.  The Deer and Turkey classic,  where we need all shifts to have 6 or so instructors.  To reach or at least be exposed to 40,000 people in 3 days is too big to screw up by not having enough staff.

BTW,

"You've all heard that if Appleseed offered 2 day history clinics, no one would show up so we use shooting as the hook."

Don't yoos guys fish?  If shooting is the hook, then the history is what?  Shooting is the tasty bait,  history is the hook and telling it well, sets the hook and you got em. O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: M.E. on January 27, 2011, 01:11:14 PM
Of course this is EXACTLY what I need/want but I have a prior commitment that weekend that can not be changed.  :wb: Will be sending video crew from Central IL in my place.

M.E.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Cooper on January 27, 2011, 02:32:16 PM
Quote from: colycat on January 27, 2011, 01:06:18 PM
Shooting is the tasty bait,  history is the hook and telling it well, sets the hook and you got em. O0

That's how Coly reeled me in...

Now actually landing a 250 lbs walrus... that was a team effort.   **)

Coop
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: crak on January 27, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
I think you mean the 1st ever for Illinois.   ;D

Anyway, I've found at these things asking the question "Why would you even bother telling anybody about this section of the story?  What should Americans keep in their hearts and should have never forgotten?" tends to bring out some very good stuff from orange and red hats alike.  Rarely will two people answer the same way.

Have a good time!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Josey Wales on January 27, 2011, 04:52:57 PM
Quote from: crak on January 27, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
I think you mean the 1st ever for Illinois.   ;D

Anyway, I've found at these things asking the question "Why would you even bother telling anybody about this section of the story?  What should Americans keep in their hearts and should have never forgotten?" tends to bring out some very good stuff from orange and red hats alike.  Rarely will two people answer the same way.

Have a good time!

..Good advice Crak....................JW..............
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on January 28, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
Quote from: crak on January 27, 2011, 02:40:16 PM
I think you mean the 1st ever for Illinois.   ;D

Anyway, I've found at these things asking the question "Why would you even bother telling anybody about this section of the story?  What should Americans keep in their hearts and should have never forgotten?" tends to bring out some very good stuff from orange and red hats alike.  Rarely will two people answer the same way.

Have a good time!

**) Always competing with Illinois ;D

That's good Crak, competition always improves the breed so they say O0

This is most certainly a First ever affair, unless of course it has never been reported. Your EXCELLENT Battle Road IBC's are definitely more focused on History which is a good thing, someday I hope to get a chance to attend one. Our plans for the Jan IBC were simular minus the accessibility of Battle road, focus all day Sunday on History, but a wrench was thrown into the works  #)

The Illinois History Boot Camp has little to do with an IBC. There will be ZERO 4 Safety Rules-Line Calling-6 Steps-Steady Hold Factors, etc etc etc. It will be 100% About the History and How To Tell It!!

We have unfortunately noticed a very disturbing trend in Appleseed nationwide. I have friends all over the Country asking "What happened? The history wasn't that good compared to last year? Or even more horrific, from two friends from opposite ends of the Country... "They didn't even bother to do History". Well to US, that just isn't acceptable, so we intend to fix it. While IL is pretty good on getting it's History across, we feel it is best to bolster our existing strengths rather than wait until they are a weakness and need to be fixed.

As you know full well, a "Connection" has to be made for the shooter to get hooked on the History and then in turn, get hooked on the notion that if we all work together we can make a difference and maybe even Save This Great Nation. Well it is just like joining two dissimilar metals together with solder...

You need two clean surfaces (Good History and The Shooter)
You need a quality solder (tying the History of 1775 to Today)
You need a quality flux (How the story is told and sold)
You need the right amount of heat in the right places. (enough "heat" to make the shooter constantly think about their Appleseed Experience for at least a week following a shoot, but not so much that the Shooter dismisses it as empty rhetoric)

That is what the 1st Ever Appleseed HBC is going to be about, creating that bond, that in turn lights a small brush fire in the minds of our Shooters, and inspires them to step up to the plate.

Hope to see you on the trail O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on January 28, 2011, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

Whoooooo   Hoooooooo !!!!!!!   :D

Bring it!   O0

Boba
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Pappy on January 28, 2011, 07:59:59 PM
Hello Group; There are a few things that always nag at a person who works to do a job better every time.
One of the tough ones for many of us has been the History and a weak spot that we try to hide. Well its time to ROLL out to OTTAWA  cause we are going to have the FIRSTof many HISTORY boot camps pointed at making a better Instructor Corps. This is for any one who feels they need to improve there history. We all could use a public speaking course (ish),, Do you know how to address a group and keep them awake???
Check your date book, WE have plenty of room. For $20.00 a head where can you have this much fun????


Please read the rest of this thread if you are interested, We all need it.. All are welcome who come with open minds and mutual respect.

PM Me if you will attend and when you will arrive. Pappy
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on January 31, 2011, 07:00:53 PM
Coly Coly Coly.  In Chicago you don't use hooks.  You use the long red thing that looks just like a road flare, except it has a piece of sorta string lookin' stuff hanging out of one end.  Light it, toss it in the water.....next thing you know, fish everywhere  >:D

Relax!  Just kidding  @)

Seriously, this will be a great opportunity to get a better understanding of HOW to tell the story.  The techniques to develop a method that works for you.

Send your PMs to Pappy and see youse there!

EEL
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Fred on February 01, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: Garand69 on January 28, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
We have unfortunately noticed a very disturbing trend in Appleseed nationwide. I have friends all over the Country asking "What happened? The history wasn't that good compared to last year? Or even more horrific, from two friends from opposite ends of the Country... "They didn't even bother to do History".

     This is a very serious charge and should not be made without a willingness to supply data to suport it. If you know this to be a fact, and aren't reporting it to me or the SCs of those states, then we are missing an opportunity to fix something which is wrong in the program.

QuoteWell to US, that just isn't acceptable, so we intend to fix it.

     Since I don't see how a history boot camp in IL is supposed to "fix" the problem you are hearing about on the east and west coasts, I am hoping you will PM me the info which will allow me to start whatever needs to be done to actually fix the problem your friends are telling you about.

     For that PM, let me thank you in advance.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 01, 2011, 12:33:41 PM
Quote from: Fred on February 01, 2011, 11:44:15 AM
Quote from: Garand69 on January 28, 2011, 03:20:15 PM
We have unfortunately noticed a very disturbing trend in Appleseed nationwide. I have friends all over the Country asking "What happened? The history wasn't that good compared to last year? Or even more horrific, from two friends from opposite ends of the Country... "They didn't even bother to do History".

   This is a very serious charge and should not be made without a willingness to supply data to suport it. If you know this to be a fact, and aren't reporting it to me or the SCs of those states, then we are missing an opportunity to fix something which is wrong in the program.

Both EEL and I have informed you of these things Fred, This isn't stuff that happened yesterday, more like over the past year or so. So i didn't feel the need to re-hash them

QuoteWell to US, that just isn't acceptable, so we intend to fix it.

    Since I don't see how a history boot camp in IL is supposed to "fix" the problem you are hearing about on the east and west coasts, I am hoping you will PM me the info which will allow me to start whatever needs to be done to actually fix the problem your friends are telling you about.


I probably overstated that a bit Fred, The "Fix It" is too broadly applied there, so I apologize for that portion of the Statement.. As I said here.. "While IL is pretty good on getting it's History across, we feel it is best to bolster our existing strengths rather than wait until they are a weakness and need to be fixed." That is the crux of the matter. As we gain more and more Instructors and Volunteers, we want to emphasize the importance of reaching the Shooter with the best History Presentation possible. And that is the Goal of the HBC, keep IL in ship shape. Of course a small side benefit is that those attending shoots (or the HBC for that matter) in IL from other States may bring that same sense of importance back with them, to insure that History is kept at the level of importance that it should be.

    For that PM, let me thank you in advance.

Thanks for Chiming in, I know your busy  O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Fred on February 01, 2011, 12:47:00 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on February 01, 2011, 12:33:41 PM
Both EEL and I have informed you of these things Fred, This isn't stuff that happened yesterday, more like over the past year or so. So i didn't feel the need to re-hash them


   So, be polite, and go the extra mile - inform me again. A PM would be appreciated with the names, dates, and locations of the Appleseeds where no history was given. I'll use that info to track down the instructors and find out if the facts are as your informants say - and if they are, I can promise you, it will be fixed.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 01, 2011, 02:13:27 PM
QuoteSo, be polite, and go the extra mile - inform me again.

Fred that really hurts.... Who ever heard of an impolite Ready-Mix Truck Driver? We have feelings too Ya know @) really deep deep down, but they are there  >:D ;D

PM Inbound
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: RPD on February 01, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

I'd love to be part of that contingent, but am scheduled to be in trial the two weeks following that weekend, so I'll be reading boring material getting ready for two weeks of financial records (Ugh).

-RPD

ps  Julia, how's the knee?  Been praying for your recovery!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 01, 2011, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: RPD on February 01, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

I'd love to be part of that contingent, but am scheduled to be in trial the two weeks following that weekend, so I'll be reading boring material getting ready for two weeks of financial records (Ugh).

-RPD

ps  Julia, how's the knee?  Been praying for your recovery!

Oh boy..... another feller thinking INSIDE the box..... #)

Bring the records with, by the time we are done with you, you will be able to tell the financial history in such a way, there won't be a dry eye in the house...... thus securing a win for your client, and getting an extra weekend of vacation just to go Appleseedin" Sounds like a win win to me  O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on February 01, 2011, 09:48:34 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on February 01, 2011, 09:40:44 PM
Quote from: RPD on February 01, 2011, 05:47:08 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

I'd love to be part of that contingent, but am scheduled to be in trial the two weeks following that weekend, so I'll be reading boring material getting ready for two weeks of financial records (Ugh).

-RPD

ps  Julia, how's the knee?  Been praying for your recovery!

Oh boy..... another feller thinking INSIDE the box..... #)

Bring the records with, by the time we are done with you, you will be able to tell the financial history in such a way, there won't be a dry eye in the house...... thus securing a win for your client, and getting an extra weekend of vacation just to go Appleseedin" Sounds like a win win to me  O0

Brilliant Dan!  O0 But that kind of thinking seems a little above your pay grade here. No wonder you get to be State Coorjinator. Pace yourself. Save some of those great idears for us Illinoisians.  :P
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 02, 2011, 10:34:30 AM
Above MY paygrade..... Boba Boba Boba, keep it up and you'll have latrine duty at the HBC &) >:D

The Editor bumped a great old thread about Teaching History in the IIT section, not everyone reading this will have access but those that do it is worth the read!!!

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2662.msg160352;topicseen#msg160352 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2662.msg160352;topicseen#msg160352)

Thanks TE  O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on February 04, 2011, 03:41:45 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on February 02, 2011, 10:34:30 AM
Above MY paygrade..... Boba Boba Boba, keep it up and you'll have latrine duty at the HBC &) >:D

The Editor bumped a great old thread about Teaching History in the IIT section, not everyone reading this will have access but those that do it is worth the read!!!

http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2662.msg160352;topicseen#msg160352 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2662.msg160352;topicseen#msg160352)

Thanks TE  O0

You Redi-Mix Truck Drivers are soooooo stinking sensitive.  ::)
Can't you tell a back-handed compliment when you read one.   ;D
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: 2 clicks low on February 04, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

OMG WE'RE BEING INVADED.  :---  :---  :---
We need all Illinois hands on deck for this event.. The Ohioians are comming.
We must welcome the invading hoard.

2cl
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: GoldFish on February 04, 2011, 11:25:26 PM
Quote from: 2 clicks low on February 04, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

OMG WE'RE BEING INVADED.  :---  :---  :---
We need all Illinois hands on deck for this event.. The Ohioians are comming.
We must welcome the invading hoard.

2cl

I'm glad our reputation preceeds us with in a way that causes such noticeable fear. :--- ;D  It's probably what the DOF has done to you guys. 8)


Quote from: Boba Fett on February 04, 2011, 03:41:45 PM
You Redi-Mix Truck Drivers are soooooo stinking sensitive.  ::)
Can't you tell a back-handed compliment when you read one.   ;D

Yup, some of those drivers are dumber than a box of rocks.
However, may I humbly suggest (and maybe convince you Boba?) that Garand, if for no other reason than because he's an AS Instructor, is no less than slightly above the curve here?
Oh no, wait, if Boba was convinced of that, wouldn't that eliminate like ALL of the good threads on the forum (particularly on the IL Board) where both G69 and BF are trying to kill each other with very well hidden 'back-handed compliments' and empty threats of 'latrine duty'? ;D
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 05, 2011, 11:21:34 AM
 ..:.. ..:.. ..:..

I'm getting harrassed by a feller named Goldfish??? #)

GF.... sometime.... say Aprilish... when you go out to your grocery getter to drive home... and it's full of concrete.. I HAD NOTHIN' TO DO WITH IT!!! I'm all the way out here in Chi-Town :cool2:

You signed up for the HBC yet GF????
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: AFTERMATH on February 07, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
Quote from: 2 clicks low on February 04, 2011, 05:36:28 PM
Quote from: Nurse Ratchett on January 28, 2011, 06:57:44 PM
Trying to put an Ohio contingent together to make the trip. O0 Looking forward to a history weekend ^:)^

Ratchett

OMG WE'RE BEING INVADED.  :---  :---  :---
We need all Illinois hands on deck for this event.. The Ohioians are comming.
We must welcome the invading hoard.

2cl

You think Ohio is bad....  At least their in the same region!
It's those barbarians from the Great Plains you'd better watch out for!
You never really know when they'll show up!
>:D
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Cooper on February 07, 2011, 09:17:23 PM
Quote from: AFTERMATH on February 07, 2011, 07:39:21 PM
It's those barbarians from the Great Plains you'd better watch out for!
You never really know when they'll show up!
>:D

AGAIN

Be afraid, be very afraid.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Patriot Gal on February 09, 2011, 11:39:15 AM
Do you want the HistoryIBC added to Instructor Scheduling so people can sign up there?  Certainly it can be set up like a regular IBC and have IITs sign up on Eventbrite.

There's still lots of time in which to get that in place.  May help draw others from the surrounding states who may not have happened across the notice on the Illinois board.

What say y'all?
Patriot Gal
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 09, 2011, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 09, 2011, 11:39:15 AM
Do you want the HistoryIBC added to Instructor Scheduling so people can sign up there?  Certainly it can be set up like a regular IBC and have IITs sign up on Eventbrite.

There's still lots of time in which to get that in place.  May help draw others from the surrounding states who may not have happened across the notice on the Illinois board.

What say y'all?
Patriot Gal

Thanks for asking PGal O0

This 1st annual event is coming out of our pockets, so we would rather run it as we are. The cost per person for lodging and food is hard to beat as it is, we don't need to add extra expense going through E-Brite on this one.

The next one.... who knows O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: dragonfly on February 09, 2011, 09:31:37 PM
 Will we be able to get reimbursements if it is not on the schedule. If not should probably let everyone know this is on their dime for travel. You did send this out to the region, and some folks my be traveling a ways.
Thanks, D-fly


Quote from: Garand69 on February 09, 2011, 08:17:28 PM
Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 09, 2011, 11:39:15 AM
Do you want the HistoryIBC added to Instructor Scheduling so people can sign up there?  Certainly it can be set up like a regular IBC and have IITs sign up on Eventbrite.

There's still lots of time in which to get that in place.  May help draw others from the surrounding states who may not have happened across the notice on the Illinois board.

What say y'all?
Patriot Gal

Thanks for asking PGal O0

This 1st annual event is coming out of our pockets, so we would rather run it as we are. The cost per person for lodging and food is hard to beat as it is, we don't need to add extra expense going through E-Brite on this one.

The next one.... who knows O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on February 09, 2011, 10:21:43 PM
D-Fly,
Thanks for your concerns.  To my recollection, attending an RBC, IBC, or a shoot as a student has never been up for reimbursement.  

The telling of the story is what separates Appleseed from every other shooting clinic.   We have all been to shoots that were "just shoots".  Having an interesting account of that day makes the difference between just "having an Appleseed" and really bringing the day to life.  Making the shooters feel the emotion.  Making them think.  Making them come to grips with their obligation as Americans.

Just like any other Boot Camp (RBC, IBC, AIBC), the reason it was put out regionally is that it is NOT exclusively an Illinois thing.  Far from it.  This is open to all who want to learn more about how to tell the story.  For this program to continue to grow, we need story tellers.  

$20 for a weekend of quality history instruction, a warm place to bunk, and food for your belly.  Sounds like just the ticket for aspiring Red Hats and Shoot Bosses.  

Heck, we'll even open the border so youse Wisconsin guys can come down too  ;)

EEL

Edit to add:

Just got a PM from D-Fly.  He believed it was closed to instructors. #)  That's EXACTLY who this is directed at.  IIT 0 through Shoot Boss.....even SIs :o are welcome to come and see if they can improve their delivery.  Sorry if there was any misunderstanding.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Old Glory! on February 10, 2011, 12:06:08 AM
I think attending a IBC as an instructor is up for reimbursement.  If its not on the schedule, it can not be reimbursed.

I think this is what D- fly meant.

OPP's wrong log in :o

Colycat
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 10, 2011, 11:16:51 AM
Well hello OG ;) I'm sure that's what Pariot Gal meant as well and I spaced it out and Event-Brite popped in my head instead of IS  #)

For those interested in helping Instruct this, we may have room left, but we are not doing Reimbursements.

If you have been doing History very well, we may be interested, just PM EEL and cc it to Garand69, with your desire to help and a reference or two. Remember, no reimbursements will be made, and in fact, everyone, including Instructors of the HBC and those helping with this event will be paying the same small fee, whether you choose to sleep and eat at the facilities or not.

Now that that is out of the way... ^:)^

The HBC Curriculum/POI is really beginning to take shape. I can guarantee that this will be unlike any Appleseed Event that you have ever attended! HBC Course Specific handouts are being prepared as we speak. The menu has been handled, and you will not be disappointed or leave hungry.

RSVP Pappy

See you all there, we have plenty of room  :cool2:
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: AFTERMATH on February 10, 2011, 07:50:37 PM
QuoteProbably not much danger in doing history,   so the insurance is a moot point.
That depends on who's doing it. :sos:
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 10, 2011, 10:02:19 PM
Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.

Oh it most certainly does matter Coly...

This is 100% Appleseed. It is 110% Illinois Appleseed.

We just don't need to worry about the typical legal issues involved with shooting Rifles, so we are not concerned with shoe-horning this event into a shoe that may not fit in order to be eligible to fall under the umbrella policy, simple as that. Now of course, if an IIT or Senior Instructor stubs a toe, or breaks a nail... and feels it is up to the RWVA to cover their pain and suffering.... I would first say this individual most certainly did not learn such a silly-poor me I'm entitled attitude at an Illinois Appleseed.... and Second, we have shovels  >:D

This is something new, a prototype so to speak. Back in the mid-sixties, when Detroit wanted to try something new (ie, their latest fastest car ) they sent an Engineer out with their latest and greatest creation out to Woodward Ave to see how the crowd liked it... They didn't worry themselves with the little details. They got it done, and if it was met with great results, then they sold it to the big wigs... Silly ideas like that created the Max Wedge and Hemi Mopars, Big Block Mustangs, GTO's, and Stage 1 Buick GS's. Now don't get me wrong, I do apologize for the Gearhead analogy, but it fits here.

What we develop here will be shared with the rest of the RWVA Community, so don't worry about it "not" being Appleseed, it very much is. Just think of Ottawa, IL. being to Appleseed, as to what Woodward Ave, Detroit was to Musclecar Development in the 60's O0

So the question really is this.... If you had the opportunity to participate in the "skunkworks" efforts of Detroit in the 60's, would you??? And of course, if you don't get the whole "Car Thing", Wouldn't it be sweet to participate in a ground breaking idea that will carry The Appleseed Project to the next level????

We look forward to seeing you all there :cool2:

RSVP Pappy
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 10, 2011, 10:03:43 PM
Quote from: AFTERMATH on February 10, 2011, 07:50:37 PM
QuoteProbably not much danger in doing history,   so the insurance is a moot point.
That depends on who's doing it. :sos:

AMEN Brother!!!! That's what we are trying to fix  O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: dragonfly on February 11, 2011, 10:56:04 AM
I gotta work the Wisconsin Deer and Turkey Expo  :wall: .

D-fly
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: M1D on February 11, 2011, 09:07:33 PM
Let me know if there is anything I can do to help with this (food, props, etc.)  I am one of those most in need of an HBC and will do anything I can to help make it work.
John
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 12, 2011, 01:26:03 PM
Woo Hoo We got D-Fly on board as well as an offer of assistance from M1D  O0

Welcome aboard Fellas. I'll keep you posted on possible items M1D, thanks for offering ^:)^
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Gumballhead on February 12, 2011, 07:36:39 PM
Hey - count me in too!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Deacon on February 12, 2011, 11:22:33 PM
I guess this is where I raise my hand and let you know that I will be honored to be at the first ever Illinois HBC!

PM inbound to Pappy.

Great idea guys!  This will give me a little more confidence at the April big event!  It has been a looong winter without telling the story!

Deacon
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 13, 2011, 10:22:36 AM
And three people do it, three, can you imagine, three people walking in
Singin a bar of Illinois' First Ever History Boot Camp and walking out. They may think it's an Organization...

And can you, can you imagine fifty people a day,I said FIFTY PEOPLE a day walking in Singin a bar of Illinois' First Ever History Boot Camp and Walking out. And friends they may thinks it's a movement.

And that's what it is , the Illinois' First Ever History Boot Camp Anti-Butcher the History Movement, and All you got to do to join is sing it the next time it come's around on the Guitar..........

And RSVP Pappy!!!!!

^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
FYI, it doesn't have top be listed in both places (Instructor Schedule and Eventbrite).  We have had private shoots which have been listed on Instructor Schedule and NOT on Eventbrite b/c they are private and not open to everyone.

Just thought you should know.
Patriot Gal/I.S.

Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
Oop!  To gracefully backpedal a bit on what I just said.  Yes, it's true that there have been private shoots listed on Instructor Schedule but not on Eventbrite.  That is true.  

HOWEVER, I was just informed (by an unimpeacheable source  ;) ), that to be an Appleseed event, it does have to be listed on both Instructor Schedule AND Eventbrite.  

So if this is an Appleseed event, why don't we just do that and make life simple?

I was just wonderin'.......
PG

Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
FYI, it doesn't have top be listed in both places (Instructor Schedule and Eventbrite).  We have had private shoots which have been listed on Instructor Schedule and NOT on Eventbrite b/c they are private and not open to everyone.

Just thought you should know.
Patriot Gal/I.S.

Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on February 13, 2011, 11:59:24 PM
PG,
How about we just let the State Coordinator handle it? :cool2: That's why he gets paid the big bucks.  ;)  **)



Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
Oop!  To gracefully backpedal a bit on what I just said.  Yes, it's true that there have been private shoots listed on Instructor Schedule but not on Eventbrite.  That is true.  

HOWEVER, I was just informed (by an unimpeacheable source  ;) ), that to be an Appleseed event, it does have to be listed on both Instructor Schedule AND Eventbrite.  

So if this is an Appleseed event, why don't we just do that and make life simple?

I was just wonderin'.......
PG

Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
FYI, it doesn't have top be listed in both places (Instructor Schedule and Eventbrite).  We have had private shoots which have been listed on Instructor Schedule and NOT on Eventbrite b/c they are private and not open to everyone.

Just thought you should know.
Patriot Gal/I.S.

Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Castle Mountain on February 14, 2011, 01:19:04 AM
 ..:.. #)
The good lady is merely asking a 'valid question' , "Slippery Lips " :o ^:)^ ^:)^ **)
The state coordinator is much more capable of speaking for himself. O0
It is her privelage to ask, yet for some strange reason or compulsion
you demonstrate that you do not approve #)

CM &)

Shall it be dueling pistols at dawn or sabres? ;D ;D @) ^:)^ &)
As the honor of my my lady has been broached

Quote from: Boba Fett on February 13, 2011, 11:59:24 PM
PG,
How about we just let the State Coordinator handle it? :cool2: That's why he gets paid the big bucks.  ;)  **)



Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
Oop!  To gracefully backpedal a bit on what I just said.  Yes, it's true that there have been private shoots listed on Instructor Schedule but not on Eventbrite.  That is true.  

HOWEVER, I was just informed (by an unimpeacheable source  ;) ), that to be an Appleseed event, it does have to be listed on both Instructor Schedule AND Eventbrite.  

So if this is an Appleseed event, why don't we just do that and make life simple?

I was just wonderin'.......
PG

Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
FYI, it doesn't have top be listed in both places (Instructor Schedule and Eventbrite).  We have had private shoots which have been listed on Instructor Schedule and NOT on Eventbrite b/c they are private and not open to everyone.

Just thought you should know.
Patriot Gal/I.S.

Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on February 14, 2011, 10:12:16 AM
Unimpeachable source?  Yeah, I think we have heard enough from the unimpeachable source to last a lifetime.  This "source" has caused enough damage within Appleseed one must wonder if they are an agent provocateur.
See here: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2038.msg21999#msg21999 

But we digress.

Make no mistake...THIS IS AN APPLESEED EVENT.  However, due to the nature of this event, it is not being posted in IS or EventBrite.  There has never been an HBC, we are breaking new ground.  

Registration is via PM to Pappy. There will be a $20 "cover charge" that will pay for the hall and the eats.  The HBC is FREE!!

For those that will be instructing, instructor assignments will be done by the State Coordinator.  You will receive a PM with your assigned area of responsibility.

If you are not instructing, attend anyway.  A good opportunity to sharpen those story telling skills just in time for the big push on April 16-17.  

Again, PM Pappy with your registration and look forward to seeing you there.

EEL
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Patriot Gal on February 14, 2011, 12:22:02 PM
lol  I thought someone would catch that.  ;) Just seeing who was paying attention.  :cool2:

I am fine with the setup. I think the Masonic Lodge is a great facility and meets our needs well.

I know we wanted to do more history at the IBC and the weekend was just too short to get it all done.  I think the HBC is a very good idea and I'm glad to be able to attend.  I'll also bring along some goodies to share.

In the meantime, I'll be busy reading PRR. (Gotta stay ahead of our new IITs.  What a GREAT group they are!!!)  O0

PM to Pappy.

Thanks EEL and thanks for all you do for Appleseed everybody!
Patriot Gal

Quote from: EEL on February 14, 2011, 10:12:16 AM
Unimpeachable source?  Yeah, I think we have heard enough from the unimpeachable source to last a lifetime.  This "source" has caused enough damage within Appleseed one must wonder if they are an agent provocateur.
See here: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=2038.msg21999#msg21999  

But we digress.

Make no mistake...THIS IS AN APPLESEED EVENT.  However, due to the nature of this event, it is not being posted in IS or EventBrite.  There has never been an HBC, we are breaking new ground.  

Registration is via PM to Pappy. There will be a $20 "cover charge" that will pay for the hall and the eats.  The HBC is FREE!!

For those that will be instructing, instructor assignments will be done by the State Coordinator.  You will receive a PM with your assigned area of responsibility.

If you are not instructing, attend anyway.  A good opportunity to sharpen those story telling skills just in time for the big push on April 16-17.  

Again, PM Pappy with your registration and look forward to seeing you there.

EEL
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 14, 2011, 12:41:19 PM
You beat me to the reply Patriot Gal, but here it goes anyway!

Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 07:37:33 PM
Oop!  To gracefully backpedal a bit on what I just said.  Yes, it's true that there have been private shoots listed on Instructor Schedule but not on Eventbrite.  That is true.  

HOWEVER, I was just informed (by an unimpeacheable source  ;) ), that to be an Appleseed event, it does have to be listed on both Instructor Schedule AND Eventbrite.  

So if this is an Appleseed event, why don't we just do that and make life simple?

I was just wonderin'.......
PG

Quote from: Patriot Gal on February 13, 2011, 06:53:12 PM
FYI, it doesn't have top be listed in both places (Instructor Schedule and Eventbrite).  We have had private shoots which have been listed on Instructor Schedule and NOT on Eventbrite b/c they are private and not open to everyone.

Just thought you should know.
Patriot Gal/I.S.

Quote from: colycat on February 10, 2011, 12:52:36 PM
Really doesn't matter G69.  In order for it to be a real AS event it has to be listed in both places.  This I think is for the insurance RWVA covers.  Probably not much danger in doing history,  :cool2: so the insurance is a moot point.

Good morning Patriot Gal, and if Castle Mountain doesn't mind... Happy Valentines day :)

I answered Colycat in Reply #36... While giving the answer of all at Reply #36 instead of #42 may have been a lack of judgment on my part, I had an feeling that Deacon would steal Reply #42, so I answered in a preemptive fashion... >:D

I have to agree with EEL on "unimpeachable" sources, and being a kinder gentler sensible State Coordinator, I'll leave it at that ;D

As I addressed earlier, this is a 100% Appleseed and 110% Illinois Appleseed simple as that. Here are a few key points...

#1, The entire History Boot Camp, all 15-16 hours, will be revolving around telling the History and Benediction that is REQUIRED at an Appleseed Shoot to make it an Appleseed shoot.

#2, The entire History Boot Camp, all 15-16 hours, will be instructed by hard working Volunteers of the RWVA Appleseed Project

#3, and lastly, The entire Objective of this ground breaking Appleseed HBC, is to improve the Appleseed Instructor Pool by improving the overall average History presentation and Benediction, with the hope, that more Appleseed Shooters are "reached" and therefore more Appleseed Shooters step up to the plate.

Now for the most part, those 3 things have it covered as far as we are concerned, and I would be willing to bet that yourself and even the "Unimpeachable Source" would agree that that is most certainly 100% Appleseed. Then you would say... "Garand69, that is Appleseed, why not just put it on the schedules, it would be done and the unimpeachable source would quit whining and stop putting folks up to posting on this thread that it isn't an Appleseed event!" ++)

It is really quite simple. We are hosting an event that does not currently exist in the catalog, yet we feel it is so extremely important that it should be, we are going to create it. Now some might say that is a bit ego generated, but it is not, it is avoiding all of the ego and going straight to the needs of the program. EEL, Pappy, and I have all worked many many years in the Volunteer world, long before Appleseed existed.

WE understand that when you see an issue that needs to be addressed, you have a couple of ways to address it. You can go through all the channels/meetings/sub-committee mtgs/board mtgs/etc in order to pitch your idea and in doing so deal with all the ego's that insist everything is just peachy keen, leave it alone. OR you can go the skunkworks route where you have a concept, implement a plan, take notes and put it all on a platter and THEN start going through the channels with solid material in your hands, not just an idea. We have chosen the Skunkworks concept.

We see a need to help Appleseeders master the History/Benediction Presentation. We feel the IBC is great, but it lacks a focus on the History/Benediction. We feel it is that History/Benediction that gets folks off the couch to Volunteer for Appleseed, and that less than 2 hours of History/Benediction over the course of a 2-3 Day IBC is not cutting it.

ANYBODY can memorize the 4 Safety Rules, The 6 Steps to Firing The Shot, The Steady Hold Factors, IMC, NPOA etc etc etc. In fact you could simply give every one a handout with the POI of a shoot and your done. We have in place an excellent IIT0-4 program so continue to use that to insure that once someone is a Red Hat, they should be a Red Hat (when implemented properly). Yet we spend 20+ hours teaching those easy to remember things and only 2 hours teaching History/Benediction Presentation, and it is rarely How to Reach The Shooters With Your History/Benidiction Presentation ++) ++)

Now if We went through the typical channels, we would first be told that the IBC is sufficient. Secondly, we may even receive hostility from those hardworking folks who put together the IBC in the first place. It would be a non-stop uphill argument, just like any other "change" around here. I'm not bashing the the IBC in the sense that it needs to go, I just think it needs to be supplemented with a History Boot Camp put together in a similarly structured way, to address the most important portion of an Appleseed Shoot, "The Hook".

Everyone comes to their 1st Appleseed for a reason. Those reasons fill a limitless list full of good reasons and even a few bad reasons. The purpose of the History/Benediction Hook, is to BRING THEM ALL BACK for the same reason.... Saving The Nation!! If you don't get that across to the shooters, they either do not return, or simply return for the Marksmanship alone. WE have really good evidence that this is a problem, and that if it is not addressed ASAP, it will be far more difficult to meet our goals from year to year.

The next Reason that we are not putting it on those schedules is really simple, WE ARE NOT REIMBURSING THOSE INSTRUCTING AT THIS HBC!! As I have mentioned in other posts, we all need this and everyone will learn. Bad History telling exists at EVERY LEVEL of Appleseed. In Fact, in the words of EEL..... It's $20 a Clown and that covers food and a place on the floor to sleep. If you want to stay in a Hotel, and Eat at the HBC... $20.00, If you want to stay at a Hotel and eat at McDonalds because you do not like Pappy and My Cooking.... $20.00

Then we have the next hitch....We feel the HBC is Soooooo Important... We are inviting far more than just IIT/Instructors to attend. If you have attended an Appleseed Shoot, and you are interested in Volunteering in the wonderful world of Appleseed, YOU ARE WELCOME TO ATTEND!!!!!

(at this point.... I will be quiet while a particular UPS Jet regains control...........)
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Boy that was close.....  :o  :D ;) Good recovery  O0
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Yes you read that correct, you do not need to be on the Path to Instructor to Attend this Historically Ground Breaking History Boot Camp!! If you have attended an Appleseed, and you like what you see, and would like to help, you will be made to feel right at home. We need to build an Apple Core in IL (and abroad for that matter), so we can all keep up with those pesky Hoosiers!!   ..:.. ..:.. ..:..

So a quick recap.....

This an Appleseed Event (we do not care what section 4 chapter 2 paragraph 6 line 9 says  :cool2: )

This Appleseed Event will NOT be reimbursing anyone. :P

This Appleseed Event has a small fee of $20 for the weekend, this includes a warm dry place to sleep and food, and it applies to everyone from the Appleseed Shoot Attendee to Fred the Helpful and everyone in between.

To attend this Appleseed Event, at a minimum, you must have attended an Appleseed Shoot and have the desire to Volunteer for the RWVA Appleseed Project.


See you all there, we have plenty of room! ^:)^

RSVP Pappy ASAP!!!!!





Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on February 14, 2011, 12:51:09 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on February 14, 2011, 12:41:19 PM

(at this point.... I will be quiet while a particular UPS Jet regains control...........)
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Boy that was close.....  :o  :D ;) Good recovery  O0


OMG Garand!!!  :o **)   I haven't laughed that hard in years.  >:D O0

Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Patriot Gal on February 14, 2011, 01:00:55 PM
Best deal in town!!!  And a Happy Valentines Day to y'all!!!  :)


quote from Garand69: "This Appleseed Event has a small fee of $20 for the weekend, this includes a warm dry place to sleep and food, and it applies to everyone from the Appleseed Shoot Attendee to Fred the Helpful and everyone in between."
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on February 14, 2011, 01:19:21 PM
For anyone who hasn't yet met our IL State Coordinator or our IL State Instructor Coordinator, here's a picture so you'll be able to quickly recognize them at the HBC.
I'll leave it to you to figure out which one's which.  ;D

Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: colycat on February 14, 2011, 01:37:02 PM
We have to be more than a little careful with this line of thought.  I could envision an appleseed group somewhere to use this argument to run any sort of IBC's. 

Quote from: Garand69 on February 14, 2011, 12:41:19 PM

It is really quite simple. We are hosting an event that does does not currently exist in the catalog, yet we feel it is so extremely important that it should be, we are going to create it. Now some might say that is a bit ego generated, but it is not, it is avoiding all of the ego and going straight to the needs of the program. EEL, Pappy, and I have all worked many many years in the Volunteer world, long before Appleseed existed. WE understand that when you see an issue that needs to be addressed, you have a couple of ways to address it. You can go through all the channels/meetings/sub-committee mtgs/board mtgs/etc in order to pitch your idea and in doing so deal with all the ego's that insist everything is just peachy keen, leave it alone. OR you can go the skunkworks route where you have a concept, implement a plan, take notes and put it all on a platter and THEN start going through the channels with solid material in your hands, not just an idea. We have chosen the Skunkworks concept.

This an Appleseed Event (we do not care what section 4 chapter 2 paragraph 6 line 9 says  :cool2: )








Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: jmdavis on February 14, 2011, 01:50:14 PM
Perhaps I need to feature this quote more prominently:

"Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results." - General George S. Patton Jr

Of course that quote is based on the idea of trusting colleagues and subordinates to be well trained, have commonsense, and be willing to do the right things.


Good luck with the HBC guys. I think that it's a great idea and I wish that I could make it. But this year, I can't.


Mike
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 14, 2011, 02:25:16 PM
Quote from: jmdavis on February 14, 2011, 01:50:14 PM
Perhaps I need to feature this quote more prominently:

"Don't tell people how to do things, tell them what to do and let them surprise you with their results." - General George S. Patton Jr

Of course that quote is based on the idea of trusting colleagues and subordinates to be well trained, have commonsense, and be willing to do the right things.


Good luck with the HBC guys. I think that it's a great idea and I wish that I could make it. But this year, I can't.


Mike

Extremely well said Sir O0

Coly, I guess for some reason you are either not listening to us regarding what this HBC is, or maybe you just don't see the reasoning behind what we are doing at all. That's fine, but please help me keep this thread on track, by staying on track.

We are not running "any sort of IBC", we are running an HBC. IBC's and RBC's are already very well developed and have a list of requirements to be such. We aren't changing those requirements in any way shape or form, nor do we have the interest to.

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Wade on February 15, 2011, 12:21:20 AM
Now if I can just get a load going there at the right time ,,,,,,,yep I have been at this As thing for a little while  do I think my history could use improvement ? YEP ! do I think my telling of it could use some improvement YEP !  Could I survive G-mans cooking ,,,,,,,,, Um Um um ,,,,,,,

I will try to get there .

Wade
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 15, 2011, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: Wade on February 15, 2011, 12:21:20 AM
Now if I can just get a load going there at the right time ,,,,,,,yep I have been at this As thing for a little while  do I think my history could use improvement ? YEP ! do I think my telling of it could use some improvement YEP !  Could I survive G-mans cooking ,,,,,,,,, Um Um um ,,,,,,,

I will try to get there .

Wade

Be sure to bring the FEMZPM's with you  O0  :cool2:
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Wade on February 15, 2011, 12:31:23 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on February 15, 2011, 12:50:06 AM
Quote from: Wade on February 15, 2011, 12:21:20 AM
Now if I can just get a load going there at the right time ,,,,,,,yep I have been at this As thing for a little while  do I think my history could use improvement ? YEP ! do I think my telling of it could use some improvement YEP !  Could I survive G-mans cooking ,,,,,,,,, Um Um um ,,,,,,,

I will try to get there .

Wade

Be sure to bring the FEMZPM's with you  O0  :cool2:
HA you just want to test your cooking on them  Animal cruelty I say,,,I will see if I can bring a small herd.


Wade
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: dugjeep on February 21, 2011, 02:21:18 PM
Wanna to make it but I am already down for the WI deer expo unless they have enough guys already.  Does anybody know if there good on bodies for the expo?
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: mountainman2222 on February 24, 2011, 08:26:20 PM
Holy Cow, a chance to bring my terrible history skills up a notch or two.  How could I say no.  One day I could tell the history in the manner that Appleseed deserves.  That is definitely worth doing.  Just stick me in a corner at night and I will apologize for the snoring and the book light later.

Been on some pretty hard financial times as of late and it has given me a serious case of the blues.  Can't think of a better way to get me out of the funk.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 25, 2011, 10:16:44 AM
Wade Dugjeep and Mountainman2222.... Welcome aboard!!! You get that load to Chi-Town yet???

3 More  ^:)^ Most excellent!!! Actually a little bird told me the numbers are getting up there! Thanks to all that have RSVP'd Pappy!!!

This weekend a meeting is being held to start tying everything together. It's in a top secret undisclosed location so don't try finding us  **) We are following the led of WI and IN...... senators and meeting in seclusion in.... Iowa ^:)^ ^:)^
                      PAY AT THE DOOR 20.$$FRN

Get on board Quick, you won't want to miss this one!!

RSVP PAPPY!!!!!!
Title: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP** Power to change lives
Post by: Castle Mountain on February 26, 2011, 02:07:26 AM
As the time draws nearer for this History Boot Camp I am mindful of the power of the story
and how it can indeed influence the hearts and minds. The following movie although less than
30 minutes will bring to mind some touch points we all need reminding of from time to time
that the things we say and do can and do have powerful potential of affecting lives.
Viewing this movie should embellish or at least affirm these truths.  Learn from this
sage, this aged professor who was awakened and carry his experience as reminder
of the great and powerful force for good Appleseed has at it's disposal.
It all begins with the instructors. What we will learn we will teach and will leave a message
that will turn the rudder of this misguided ship called America. This can and will be our legacy
we leave for this nation, that we made a difference.

Enjoy it for its good for it is indeed a classic titled:

"THE CHANGING OF THE GUARD" and please no tin foil hats for this viewing  :D and listen carefully. :)

http://www.cbs.com/classics/the_twilight_zone/video/?pid=gGeiq84_xsYSK28lZrkoKE_6qedT_JNf (http://www.cbs.com/classics/the_twilight_zone/video/?pid=gGeiq84_xsYSK28lZrkoKE_6qedT_JNf)

Best regards,

Castle Mountain




   Aut viam inveniam aut faciam-" I will find a way or I will make one".
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Cooper on February 26, 2011, 03:51:42 AM
CM

Thank you for this delightful link!

As a professor, I often struggle with the trade-off between teaching and "productivity" in my work.  Thank you for this reminder of the value of reaching lives compared to saving lives.

Cooper
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on February 26, 2011, 09:01:39 PM
 ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^

WE ARE ROCKIN' ALONG!!!!! 25 signed on so far and a great HBC Committee Meeting today!!

You folks will be very happy with the POI we worked on today! ..:.. ..:.. ..:.. ..:..

STAY TUNED FOR MORE INFO!!!!

RSVP Pappy!!!!!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: mountainman2222 on February 28, 2011, 09:34:49 PM
I hope this is a good spot to post this.

I had an opportunity to talk with one of our Illinois Appleseed attendees the other day.  She and a friend of hers attended one of our events in Bonfield, Illinois last June or July.  They enjoyed the event but where disappointed with what they felt was way too much in the history department.  So much so that they did not return on Sunday.  She said that the history went on for so long that they got bored.  I know it has been suggested that we limit the time spent on telling the stories that we love so much.  Just an example of how important that really is.  This girl is the receptionist at our Union Hall and would have been a great person to get on board.  Instead we have a high profile person that will not be giving us a favorable review.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 01, 2011, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: mountainman2222 on February 28, 2011, 09:34:49 PM
I hope this is a good spot to post this.

I had an opportunity to talk with one of our Illinois Appleseed attendees the other day.  She and a friend of hers attended one of our events in Bonfield, Illinois last June or July.  They enjoyed the event but where disappointed with what they felt was way too much in the history department.  So much so that they did not return on Sunday.  She said that the history went on for so long that they got bored.  I know it has been suggested that we limit the time spent on telling the stories that we love so much.  Just an example of how important that really is.  This girl is the receptionist at our Union Hall and would have been a great person to get on board.  Instead we have a high profile person that will not be giving us a favorable review.

I am very familiar with that particular event, and that is why this HBC is very important. Every Appleseed tells the same Stories, BUT, if it is done improperly, you lose people. People come to their first shoot to shoot, if you bury them with History they will not be happy with the program. But if you break it up and keep the Stories short and effective, they will appreciate the History and the Marksmanship Instruction and therefore return to another to seek that Rifleman Patch. If the History is properly applied at their Second Shoot, they are almost guaranteed to be hooked, A Third Shoot and they are asking how they can help. ^:)^ ^:)^ ^:)^

This is why the HBC is so important. An IBC Primarily is all about how to teach Marksmanship and at times, depending on how well that goes, it can cut short the time available for History and turn it into a "work in History when you can" situation. We feel The Properly Telling of The History required is the most important aspect of an Appleseed Shoot. When it is done right, people love it, come back, and tell others about the program. When it is done poorly, you lose the Shooter. :-[

Something that creates this problem is the belief that a "one size fits all " approach is good. To the contrary, every shoot is different, and the History must be applied in a way that takes that into account. You will learn that at this HBC O0

See you all at the HBC

RSVP PAPPY!!!!!!

O0
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: 2 clicks low on March 14, 2011, 07:06:14 PM
BTT
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 14, 2011, 08:29:51 PM
2 clicks is right! RSVP Pappy ASAP!!!! The Guy has recently been added to the roster! ^:)^
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Shooter30-06 on March 14, 2011, 08:46:52 PM
Add Shooter30-06 and AK to the list of attendees.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: mtbrass on March 14, 2011, 08:54:12 PM
PM sent to Pappy count me in!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: 2 clicks low on March 14, 2011, 09:02:27 PM
Quote from: Garand69 on March 14, 2011, 08:29:51 PM
2 clicks is right!

Keep that thought  **)
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Pappy on March 14, 2011, 10:12:33 PM
Hello Team Illinois and others who are interested; Yes it is time to let me know YOU will be at the first HISTORY BOOT CAMP weekend at the Masonic Temple in Ottawa Illinois.... RSVP me as soon as you can.. The fee is 20$ US, this will cover meals and rent.
We all know that history as we give it can have a great power over folks,,,, We would like each one of you to get better with your history and this is where it will happen... Please understand there are only a few weeks till the event and with the change to the instructor staff here in ILLINOIS WE TEAM ILLINOIS are sure there will be a large group.... All who are interested PLEASE PM me to assure a slot, those who do not could risk being turned away at the door.
Thanks Pappy
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: ITB on March 15, 2011, 01:53:43 AM
PM sent.  Trying to round up more of the Michigan crew....
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: dugjeep on March 16, 2011, 06:15:06 PM
Is there still openings or is this full? if theres still openings count me in, if not I'll go to waterman
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: 2 clicks low on March 16, 2011, 06:34:49 PM
Quote from: dugjeep on March 16, 2011, 06:15:06 PM
Is there still openings or is this full? if theres still openings count me in, if not I'll go to waterman

Of course there is always room for you. Just PM Pappy.
2cl
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 16, 2011, 10:53:44 PM
WE HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM!!!!!! Just PM Pappy with your RSVP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Pappy on March 18, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
Hello Folks; We are up to 42 attendees for the First History Boot Camp, there are about 42 additional openings leaving room for all 24 Team Illinois Instructors.  :) :) ;) ;D :cool2: 8) Yes there is room but YOU MUST PM ME!! Pappy
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Cooper on March 18, 2011, 11:12:31 PM
Damn, damn, damn, damn...
I'm stuck on hospital call.
Please begin planning future HBC's with lots of lead time...

Blessings on you all, and blessings on the messages that you will teach, and blessings on those that will take that teaching and send it forth for the salvation of our Nation!!

To the success of Project Appleseed, HOOAH!!

coop
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Gravy on March 19, 2011, 11:20:27 AM
Quote from: Pappy on March 18, 2011, 10:28:12 PM
Hello Folks; We are up to 42 attendees for the First History Boot Camp, there are about 42 additional openings leaving room for all 24 Team Illinois Instructors.  :) :) ;) ;D :cool2: 8) Yes there is room but YOU MUST PM ME!! Pappy

That attendance is fantastic!  Way to go!  It pains me to know I can't make it.  That's the kiddo's spring break and we're heading south to worship the sun.  In other words, I can't get out of it.  I'll have to wait with Cooper for the next one.  I hope everyone has a great time.
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on March 19, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
Next HBC will be held in conjunction with the Osage RBC.  Get your time off now.  An RBC at Osage and a HBC thrown in for good measure  #)..........................craziness, pure craziness  ;D

EEL
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: AFTERMATH on March 19, 2011, 09:38:35 PM
Quote from: EEL on March 19, 2011, 12:50:24 PM
Next HBC will be held in conjunction with the Osage RBC.  Get your time off now.  An RBC at Osage and a HBC thrown in for good measure  #)..........................craziness, pure craziness  ;D

EEL

As of now, I've got it off already. ::)
Though, I may find myself having to hitch-hike. #)
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 20, 2011, 10:27:03 AM
QuoteHuh...  That's news even for the SB of said RBC.  Go fig...

Greg

You can't take EEL anywhere can you! I yelled at him for you Greg  !@#) He assured me that a message was sent to Ben via carrier pigeon nearly a week ago  #) and then Ben was supposed to pony express it over to you... I stated my concerns that Ben may eat the pigeon before reading the message, but then again we are talking Ben, the pony may have been on the menu as well ++) ++) ..:.. ..:..
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: EEL on March 20, 2011, 10:48:21 AM
OK, OK !!!

The next HBC will tentatively be held in conjunction with the Osage RBC in October.

Sheesh G69, those guys are really territorial down yonder.  Must be that whole "state autonomy" thing.  ;)
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 20, 2011, 11:59:06 AM
EEL, EEL, EEL  &) Missouri is our friend.... you have to talk to Pappy about using tact &)

Some of those fine Show Me Fellers are still a bit ornery over the whole St. Louis Arsenal deal when Nathaniel Lyon had most of the weapons in the Arsenal secretly moved to Illinois back in 1861  :cool2:

So take it easy on these fine folks EEL, they are on our side, we don't want them to treat the Tentatively Scheduled Osage R[H]BC as an act of Northern Aggression  O0 Besides, we need to sell out the IL HBC before you show off the National HBC  schedule ..:.. ..:.. ..:..
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP** UPDATE!!
Post by: EEL on March 20, 2011, 10:22:47 PM
Some of this might be in this thread before but..........

1.   Arrivals on Friday night are encouraged
2.   We will order pizzas around 1800 Friday night
3.   Breakfast is Sat morning 0630-0730
4.   Class begins at 0730 SHARP
5.   Bring a comfy chair
6.   Bring a flash drive if you want SBIT info
7.   If you haven't done so......PM Pappy with your reservation
8.   $20 payable to Pappy at the door
9.   That $20 gets you the class, a place to set up your bunk and 5 meals
10.  Legal pads and highlighters are a plus.  We have handouts for you.
11.  Bring your copy of Paul Revere's Ride
12.  Read pages 78-260 at a MINIMUM

If you have any questions, feel free to call me.

EEL
1-630-292-6452

See you all in a couple two-tree weeks  ;D
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: dugjeep on March 26, 2011, 09:10:11 PM
I'll be there Friday around 1930 save me some pizza
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Boba Fett on March 28, 2011, 10:55:56 AM
Quote from: 2 clicks low on March 24, 2011, 05:13:56 PM
I just reviewed this thread looking for the location of the HBC. I'm-a-guessing that it is at the Mason Lodge. What was that address again?

2cl

The address is:
916 Columbus St.
Ottawa, IL 61350

Here's a link to the google map:

http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=XNY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&q=916+Columbus+St.+Ottawa,+IL+61350&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=916+Columbus+St,+Ottawa,+IL+61350&gl=us&ei=9JKQTYaJKYaE0QG02LWkCw&sa=X&oi=geocode_result&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBQQ8gEwAA
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Pappy on March 28, 2011, 09:46:06 PM
Hello Team Illinois and others --- All 3000 Plus of yous. WOW, -- interested party in any other states...

DO NOT WAIT YOU REALY NEED THIS

IF you are planning on attending and have not sent YOUR RSVP VIA PM,wake up willy,, ITS GETTING LATE AND YOU NEED TO DO IT NOW!!!! FARGIGN PROCRASTINWATEREs

ARE YOU COMMING OR NOT??? YOUR HISTORY says you realy NEED YOU TO BE THERE.

Pappy
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP** A Team Work Message
Post by: Castle Mountain on March 28, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
I present two great movies well worth watching as a mind setting prelude to attending this all important History Boot Camp.

You will be primed for the rest of your Appleseed Service possesed of a much greater sense of personal excellence for having attended.
I have no doubt.  The examples of a college of great Appleseed teachers who strive to make us better as instructors to fulfill our mission for this nation will be present.
There will much to be learned and the corps of instructors from across Appleseed nation will make each one of us stronger
through their insights and sharing.  I hope no one misses this wonderful opportunity. There is much to be gained
and much to be lost by attending or not attending. I know how hard the behind the scenes effort that have been made and I am excited.
This is going to be a most special event for all of Appleseed, not just Illinois.  I hope and pray to see everyone there.
In keeping with my sentiments I leave you the following movies for your edification: take what you want and/or leave the rest :):

As the guy once said  we want to become not teachers of history but rather PREACHERS of history. O0

Best regards,

Castle Mountain

A Team Work Message For Appleseed From The Blue Angles

http://www.powerofteamworkmovie.com//store (http://www.powerofteamworkmovie.com//store)


212 The Extra Degree
Are you 212 Degrees operating temperature for Appleseed this year?

http://www.212movie.com/store (http://www.212movie.com/store)
Title: Re: A 1st EVER FOR APPLESEED !! **A HISTORY BOOT CAMP**
Post by: Garand69 on March 29, 2011, 11:01:01 PM
Just a few days away until History is made Folks!!!

If you have been sitting on the fence, please think about making a decision by Thursday night so I can get a solid count for Food.

See you all there O0