Does anyone know where I can find 2" x 2" or 2" x 2.5" or 2" x 3" hanging steel targets to use for Appleseed practice. I like the immediate feedback of the "ping" when I hit a steel target. 50 yards is the furtherest distance to hang steel at my club, so 2 x 2 would be 4 MOA. However, since the hanging steel I have has large holes at the top to mount it, and I would prefer to not hit the D-rings holding the targets to the chain 2 x 2.5 or 2 x 3 (longer dimensions being the height) would still give me a 2 x 2 target to shoot at, with less of a worry about hitting the D-rings.
I would prefer to buy from someone in IL, but I can buy out of state if needed.
Finally, if no one knows where to find what I stated above I could use a 4" x 4" steel target, but I would need something to act as a hanger as our 100 yard range doesn't have anywhere to hang steel.
Thanks,
-Houston
I can't direct you to an IL source, but I can to an Appleseed friendly vendor.
(In other words, tell them your from Appleseed. You should like what they tell you back)
MGM Targets
http://www.mgmtargets.com/
You may not see what you want online. Call them, they can make it.
They are good people, as you will see.
If your at a shoot with me, ask me if I brought mine. I generally bring my MGMTarget.
Hope to see you at a shoot.
G.B.
Make your own from welding shop scrap (4" x 4" x 3/8" steel) and a concrete form stake from your local buildin supply store ($2).
Have a weld shop/muffler shop weld the steel scrap to the form stake. Whole thing should be way less than $20.
Pound it into the ground; done.
-FM
Francis, as it is non-moving is there any danger of splash back?
Tech Res did a nice write up on a similar project.
Here is a link to the thread.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14421.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=14421.0)
Here is a link to 4" piece of AR500 Steel for $10.00. This is more durable than scrap steel.
http://bobcatsteel.com/?page_id=236&category=6 (http://bobcatsteel.com/?page_id=236&category=6)
These also look interesting, but have not tried.
Cheaper than steel too.
http://www.newboldtargets.com/shooting-range-pages/hangtuff-targets-for-ranges.htm (http://www.newboldtargets.com/shooting-range-pages/hangtuff-targets-for-ranges.htm)
But no ping.
Keep practicing.
While the immediate feedback from steel is satisfying. There is also something to said for the satisfaction of a tight group punched in paper.
I would second G. Boy's advice. They (MGM) made up 8", 12" and 20" squares for me. I had tried using 3/4" steel. At 100 yds, the 223s chewed it up pretty bad. 308s not as bad, but still pocked it up alot. The AR500 (1/2")....barely a dimple from 30.06 at 100yrds.
It isn't cheap but will last thru lots of AS.
EEL
In case I didn't mention it I am only interested in AR500 steel, either 3/8" or 1/2" thick. I will also only be using 22lr, even though the AR500 can take more. My range only allows 22lr for steel.
I will also use paper from time to time, but the steel is useful, and fun. I also think it will help reach out to more people. When they hear the fast cadence ping ping ping ping ping they might get interested and ask me about it. Then I can tell them about the Appleseed Project.
BTW - that link to the Appleseed subject won't work for me. Maybe because I am a new member?
Quote from: Houston on November 15, 2010, 02:36:51 PM
In case I didn't mention it I am only interested in AR500 steel, either 3/8" or 1/2" thick. I will also only be using 22lr, even though the AR500 can take more. My range only allows 22lr for steel.
I will also use paper from time to time, but the steel is useful, and fun. I also think it will help reach out to more people. When they hear the fast cadence ping ping ping ping ping they might get interested and ask me about it. Then I can tell them about the Appleseed Project.
BTW - that link to the Appleseed subject won't work for me. Maybe because I am a new member?
IITs and Instructors frequently forget that a lot of their posts are in areas we ordinary folks can't see..... More incentive to get that Orange-Hat......
My family and I have hours of fun (and serious training) with our Do-all Outdoors dueling trees. They make them for rimfire and centerfire, they cost about $50
http://www.doalloutdoors.com/
Jim
Quote from: Houston on November 15, 2010, 12:56:09 AM
Francis, as it is non-moving is there any danger of splash back?
This is a rimfire target due to its likely material and method of construction; don't plan to shoot it with centerfire. Any scrap you're likely to find will be mild steel and thus will be ripped to shreds by centerfire.
Jackets or steel cores may rebound, lead is very unlikely to do so.
Whether you shoot a Sherman tank or a 4x4x 3/8 inch steel shingle standing on its edge, a lead projectile will vaporize in either case.
A good source for scrap is spring shops, especially those that do heavy trucks.
I have a spring stack off the rear of one of our old Cement trucks that will be cut up into 4" squares for some heavy duty swinging targets for rimfires. Spring steel is tough, but I'm sure the centerfires would carve it up quick.
I have seen leaf springs as narrow as 1 1/2" and as wide as 5", just cut them to length and add a hanger.
I found a place in Michigan that will make the target out of 3/8" AR500 steel. It's $8 WITH SHIPPING!
I will try it at the range, and if it works well I will post the contact information of the shop making it.
The target arrived today and it looks great. I have to try it at the range to see how much it swings. I hope that it doesn't move too much as I would like to shoot at the rapid cadence. If worst comes to worst I'll have it welded to some sort of post that I can drive into the ground.
Have fun.
Post Pictures.
Quote from: Houston on November 19, 2010, 11:56:43 PM
The target arrived today and it looks great. I have to try it at the range to see how much it swings. I hope that it doesn't move too much as I would like to shoot at the rapid cadence. If worst comes to worst I'll have it welded to some sort of post that I can drive into the ground.
If it swings too much, simply add weight. Do you have to contact info for the company to share with us? &) @)
I asked the company if they mind me posting their contact info. I will if they say yes. I just don't know how busy they are.
I plan on shooting the target this Saturday. I might have stated before that I am worried that hanging it will end up in the target swinging too much for me to keep a rapid cadence, since it only weighs 0.5 pounds. I could fix it in place, but I don't know if that would present ricochet or splash back danger. What are your thoughts? Remember that I am at 50 yards here.
I am also contacting the company about making a 4"x4" target that I could use at the 100 yard range. If I do that one I might have to consider fixing it also. It all depends on how much they swing. What are your thoughts on ricochet and splash back at 100 yards?
Again, I am only using 22lr for these targets.
Thanks!
Ok, my targets were from gongshot.com. They were custom orders, but they might still be up on the website. If not, you can use their contact button to send them your size requirements and they will make a custom target for you. I can't say enough about the customer service at the website.
I shot my 2"x2" today, and I have some things to report:1
1) I fixed it to a solid bar, but at 50 yards it was too hard to hear the bullet impact. Thus, I don't suggest this method.
2) I then hung the target from chains at 50 yards. It was great. You could easily tell when you hit the target. The only problem is that it would take 2-three breaths for the target to settle back down. This means that you can't shoot in rapid cadence. So, what I will do is use the metal target until I really lock in my NPOA and can hit it 8 out of 10 times. Then I will use a paper target to shoot at rapid cadence
3) I found NPOA for the first time today. I don't know that I will have it consistently yet, but my last 30 rounds were all hits. 20 in prone, and 10 in seated position. All I can say is THANK YOU APPLESEED! NPOA is awesome!
I can't wait to do another Appleseed next year. I will bring a friend and my wife next time. I also want to do the IL 300 (2)
Houston,
That's great news. Isn't NPOA wonderful! ::) Maybe try hanging your target with tarp straps. Those black rubber dudes from Home Depot and such. They would "give" a bit, prolly give a nice "ping", but then settle down faster.
Just a thought.
Have fun !!!!!!!!! :~ :~ :~ :~ :~
EEL
Myself I have been using a short bit of steel I beam set it on wood 4x4's and it rings just fine .
Wade
How do you mount it to the wood?
I do have to follow the lead of the RSOs at my sportsman club.
I can't wait to go shooting again, to try and find NPOA. I also can't wait until next year to earn my Rifleman's patch. I previously got the USAF Expert Marksman ribbon, but I honestly think that was mostly luck. This time it will be mostly skill.
Great to hear Houston O0 I just want to correct your post a little.... it should have looked like this...
Quote3) I found NPOA for the first time today. I don't know that I will have it consistently yet, but my last 30 rounds were all hits. 20 in prone, and 10 in seated position. All I can say is THANK YOU APPLESEED! NPOA is awesome!
I can't wait to do another Appleseed next year. I will bring a friend and my wife next time. I also want to do the IL 300 (2)
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I can't tell if you are excited or laughing at me?
I am going to guess excited?
I'm already putting together my next order from Gongshot.com. Since my club won't allow silhouetes (spelling?) I have to find shapes and sizes that approximate the AQT.
LOL, Just saying you should have been more excited when you found NPOA! O0
Thanks for posting the link to http://gongshot.com/ (http://gongshot.com/)
I used exclamation points. I guess I just keep my emoticons all bottled up.
I actually thought something was wrong at first. I thought maybe I was hitting the chains, but after inspection it turned out that I was just hitting 10 out of 10. I have hit the chains before and they broke, so now I have the chains connected to thick D-rings so that I don't have to replace the chains. The D-rings didn't have any visible damage or scratching.
It's weird to see the target swing every time I pull the trigger, but weird in a good way. I might just be addicted now.
Quick question: how do you shoot the AQT?
Stage 1 is standing
Stage 2 is sitting, but I think you start standing and then sit, correct?
Stage 3 is prone, do you start standing here and then go into prone
Stage 4 is prone, I think you start prone and stay prone (how do stage 3 and 4 differ?)
FYI: Bobcat steel is now making AQT steel (stage 1 Silhouette from AR500 Plate)! I will be posting up pics tonight from the one we used at Riley.
Stage 1: Start standing, stay standing.
Stage 2: Start standing, unloaded transition to seated/kneeling, shoot seated/kneeling.
Stage 3: Start standing, unloaded transition to prone, shoot prone.
Stage 4: Start prone, shoot prone.
Stage 4 is slow fire, you have more time for that stage, and you do not transition.
Thanks.
I looked at Bobcat steel, but again my club won't allow silhouette targets, well not silhouettes of people anyway. Animals are fair game.
Quote from: Houston on November 29, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
Thanks.
I looked at Bobcat steel, but again my club won't allow silhouette targets, well not silhouettes of people anyway. Animals are fair game.
Adapt and over come O0
Quote from: Houston on November 29, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
Thanks.
I looked at Bobcat steel, but again my club won't allow silhouette targets, well not silhouettes of people anyway. Animals are fair game.
Wow. That sucks. Amazing how anti-gun lots of gunclubs are, isn't it?
Techres: how much for those D-targets?
-David
Edgewood, NM
Quote from: Houston on November 29, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
Thanks.
I looked at Bobcat steel, but again my club won't allow silhouette targets, well not silhouettes of people anyway. Animals are fair game.
Tell them its not a people silhouette its a silouette of a Flesh Eatting Muntant Zombie Paratrooper Monkey.
Wade
Quote from: Houston on November 28, 2010, 11:57:34 PM
How do you mount it to the wood?
I do have to follow the lead of the RSOs at my sportsman club.
I can't wait to go shooting again, to try and find NPOA. I also can't wait until next year to earn my Rifleman's patch. I previously got the USAF Expert Marksman ribbon, but I honestly think that was mostly luck. This time it will be mostly skill.
Just like I said I set the steel on the wood 4x4's the steek bit of I beam is roughly 20 inchs by 20 inchs an I beam this short will sit all by its self just fine ,, and yes its getting tore up >:D ;) but it was free.
Wade
FYI
Stage 1 start standing, remain standing, 10 rounds 2 minutes, one (man-sized) target at 100 yards.
Stage 2 start standing, transition to sitting with magazines prepped on the mat with 2 rounds and 8 rounds. Upon "fire" command, transition and load the 2 round mag. 55 seconds to put 5 holes in each of two targets at 200 yards.
Stage 3 start standing, transition to prone with magazines prepped with 2 and 8 on the mat. Upon "fire" transition and load the 2 round mag. 65 seconds to put holes 3, 3, and 4 in three targets at 300 yards.
Stage 4 start prone and remain prone. 10 rounds 5 minutes, 4 targets at 400 yards. Holes: 2, 2, 3, and 3.
OK, IIT's, now's your chance to correct me.
FF
Quote from: franklinfarmer on November 29, 2010, 11:04:37 PM
FYI
Stage 1 start standing, remain standing, 10 rounds 2 minutes, one (man-sized) target at 100 yards.
Stage 2 start standing, transition to sitting with magazines prepped on the mat with 2 rounds and 8 rounds. Upon "fire" command, transition and load the 2 round mag. 55 seconds to put 5 holes in each of two targets at 200 yards.
Stage 3 start standing, transition to prone with magazines prepped with 2 and 8 on the mat. Upon "fire" transition and load the 2 round mag. 65 seconds to put holes 3, 3, and 4 in three targets at 300 yards.
Stage 4 start prone and remain prone. 10 rounds 5 minutes, 4 targets at 400 yards. Holes: 2, 2, 3, and 3.
OK, IIT's, now's your chance to correct me.
FF
Just curious, are you gonna give these shooters a preperation period? O0
FYI,
Bobcat Steel prices are here.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=18937.msg151399;topicseen#msg151399
"Shooters your preparation period has ended, with 10 rounds......LOAD!"
After my wife saying "I do" and my son's babbles (he's only 6 months old) those might just be some of my favorite words.
BTW - I am going to contact gongshot to suggest that they make an Appleseed section of their online store with the targets I am having them make for me. I will also inform them of the AQT target specifications.
For 22's, I've found that one of those ubiquitous real estate sign frames makes a really good hanger for my 8" steel plate. The frame is light, has a horizontal bar for pressing it into the ground with your foot, and the plate swinging against the frame makes for a very nice ring. I use some heavy gauge wire to suspend the plate from the hanger. It holds up great as long as you're only hitting it with 22s.
I have an AR-500 plate and I've hit it with 7.62x39, 7.62x54R steel core mil surp, 5.45x39 steel core, and regular 5.56. I was surprised find that the only thing to make significant divots was the 5.56.
Quote from: NMMI9100 on November 29, 2010, 10:23:05 PM
Techres: how much for those D-targets?
$40 (actually $36 on sale). Dinky tried to hurt it with .223 steel core:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5219360267_18135f6a93.jpg)
I now have a cloverleaf .223 piece of core in my pocket! The target is just fine...
How does one go about ordering these?
We have a group buy going on right now (for full size targets). See my link a few posts up.
Please send me a PM if you are interested.
That's the Stage 1 target?
Quote from: Houston on December 01, 2010, 03:11:19 PM
That's the Stage 1 target?
That's an exact size match of the standing stage AQT target. It includes all scorable area. It is not a full D sized target. I was trying to show what is available right now. We use it at Riley as at our 230 yard distance lane.
Any way to order the stage 1 sized target? That would be more practical for distances around here.
Quote from: shaftoe on December 01, 2010, 07:59:10 PM
Any way to order the stage 1 sized target? That would be more practical for distances around here.
We have a group buy on the stage 1s going now.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=18937.msg151399;topicseen#msg151399 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=18937.msg151399;topicseen#msg151399)
Thanks for the kind words Josh!!
Houston - Glad you found what you needed. It was nice talking to you on your project. If there is a larger interest in that size, I would be very interested in carrying that or any other Appleseed specific targets. Just let me know and I can get to drawing!
Bobcat, I am not trying to pull business away from you. I was just sharing how happy I was with the company that I used.
No worries, bud! Just was poking around over here and figured I would offer my services!
That's fine. I'd be happy for more companies to offer Applessed targets.
Really impressed by all the fancy targets here.
I guess that I need to be more imaginative.
Bought two targets from Bobcat steel and have been real happy with them and the service received.
A 4" square Target and a 16" square Target. Boring compared to the D-Targets being offered.
But functional enough for a rifleman. Nice change of pace from 1" squares.
The 4" square is great for KD at 100 yards with a 22LR LTR. And at $10.00 plus shipping is a great deal.
All I have is square steel. Once my latest shipment arrives I'll have 1x1, 2x2, 4x4, 6x6, 8x8, and 10x10 inch targets. The 1, 2, 4 and 8 targets will allow me to practice for the AQT at 25 and 50 yards. The immediate feedback of a hit is nice, but you do lose the feedback of your misses, as they don't register anywhere. I'll use the steel 75% of the time and paper the other 25% of the time, to help refine my shooting.
Quote from: Bobcat Steel on December 01, 2010, 08:54:08 PM
Quote from: shaftoe on December 01, 2010, 07:59:10 PM
Any way to order the stage 1 sized target? That would be more practical for distances around here.
We have a group buy on the stage 1s going now.
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=18937.msg151399;topicseen#msg151399 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=18937.msg151399;topicseen#msg151399)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks like the group buy is on D targets (full size) and not stage 1 targets (scaled to ~1/4 size). The latter was what techres posted a picture of.
Yes, the group buy is on full size targets. They can be used as stage 1, just need to put them at 100 yards
Forgive me for being unclear.
I was asking about the one in the picture techres posted.
It appears to be the same size as stage 1 of the QDAQT. This is so it will be the same size as stage 4 at 100 yards.
Quote from: shaftoe on December 02, 2010, 05:20:40 PM
Forgive me for being unclear.
I was asking about the one in the picture techres posted.
It appears to be the same size as stage 1 of the QDAQT. This is so it will be the same size as stage 4 at 100 yards.
My mistake. I am still trying to get all the names right myself!! :wb:
I actually stock the ones that Techres posted up. As of this post I have 4 available for immediate shipment. They are still on sale, too!! $36 for the target and $11 will cover shipping on 1/2/3/4 pieces. They will fit in a USPS flat rate box and you will have in 2 or 3 days.
Feel free to email me as they are not listed on the website yet. kimball@bobcatsteel.com