Fred sent out a long personal message telling us we should have some shoots in the winter.
Ole clod will not be at an appleseed opening day of hunting season (standards you know) but how about we discuss making our rifles function in cold?
I can name one instructor who will not shoot centerfire in the snow for practice out of fear of loosing his brass.
So what we gonna do about our .22s?
CCI minimags? they have a bit more power than some of the bulk packs.
The remington bulk packs with all the wax on them do function a cold rifle pretty good. Good things happen with all that wax burning! Plus the extra time warming up indoors cleaning off all the gunk!
Thanks to Biathalon I have several OZ of US army issue Lube, Arctic Weather.
If we could get on the schedule over at Missoula the altitude is quite a bit lower than Three Forks or Boulder unfortunatly it snows more there and the sunshines less with very little let up from icey roads.
While you are making plans, please be sure to pass on your cold weather secrets to us not as cold but still cold states. We can use your expertise!
Techres,
Indiana
Quote from: clodhopper on July 28, 2010, 01:21:18 AM
Fred sent out a long personal message telling us we should have some shoots in the winter.
Ole clod will not be at an appleseed opening day of hunting season (standards you know) but how about we discuss making our rifles function in cold?
I can name one instructor who will not shoot centerfire in the snow for practice out of fear of loosing his brass.
So what we gonna do about our .22s?
CCI minimags? they have a bit more power than some of the bulk packs.
The remington bulk packs with all the wax on them do function a cold rifle pretty good. Good things happen with all that wax burning! Plus the extra time warming up indoors cleaning off all the gunk!
Thanks to Biathalon I have several OZ of US army issue Lube, Arctic Weather.
If we could get on the schedule over at Missoula the altitude is quite a bit lower than Three Forks or Boulder unfortunatly it snows more there and the sunshines less with very little let up from icey roads.
I have been buying bulk federal but have not seen any bulk remington. CCI seems hard to come by. I am up for a winter shoot.
I would LOVE to get over to Missoula to shoot. remember the turn out we had at a winter shoot...the three hardy folk that turned out. Where are you finding arctic lube?
The arctic lube came from a guy who had some gallon cans, tried to buy one but he refused, gave me a few oz instead.
Quote from: clodhopper on July 28, 2010, 01:21:18 AM
If we could get on the schedule over at Missoula the altitude is quite a bit lower than Three Forks or Boulder unfortunatly it snows more there and the sunshines less with very little let up from icey roads.
How about something in Billings this Winter? Weather there wouldn't be too bad... and I can easily make that :)
QuoteThe arctic lube came from a guy who had some gallon cans, tried to buy one but he refused, gave me a few oz instead.
As an alternative to LAW, try Mobil-1... there are a number of fellas down here that swear by it.
There was a good thread on this last winter: http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=11015.0
M1s M1As, and ARs, should have no problems if lubed correctly.....
I can't get to that link, care to repost the gist of it?
Quote from: The Count on July 31, 2010, 02:14:23 AM
Quote from: clodhopper on July 28, 2010, 01:21:18 AM
If we could get on the schedule over at Missoula the altitude is quite a bit lower than Three Forks or Boulder unfortunatly it snows more there and the sunshines less with very little let up from icey roads.
How about something in Billings this Winter? Weather there wouldn't be too bad... and I can easily make that :)
QuoteThe arctic lube came from a guy who had some gallon cans, tried to buy one but he refused, gave me a few oz instead.
As an alternative to LAW, try Mobil-1... there are a number of fellas down here that swear by it.
I forgot all about Mobile 1
Coaster,
That link mentions graphite, then posts warn of problems with graphite and almuminum then some talk of other synthetic lube and part numbers for lube, arctic weather.
or light arctic weather as the poster called it.
Eezox is what the Canadians use in the winter. It's a type of CLP for extreme cold, and the rust preventative is a bit more effective than break free. I believe it's sold by Warren Outdoor Products or something like that. As a lube, if I remember correctly, it's about in the same ballpark as break free, not spectacular, but probably good enough to work.
Dosent that eezox come in a camo can?
Thanks Clodhopper. Yeah Eezox is in a camo can, sucks when you set it down and can't find it again. Good for sales I guess. :D
I had a can once but used it up three presidents ago. The shop where it was purchased was a very small business that could not make it.
Eezox is good stuff but hard to find.
http://www.eezox.com/
Thanks Todd,
Being luddite, I never purchase anything on line.
Next time I wander through Wheatland WY I can get some.
Mark
I don't know what "luddite" means, but it must be good if that's what you are.
Maybe our paths will cross on the trail sometime. It would be nice to see you (without losing focus on the mission of course :))
--Todd
Here ya go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite)
Think my oldest brother may be one, too...
Modern Luddite in my definition is some one who will not enter a credit card # into computers.
I LIKE to Fix computers. Favorite tool? 2lb cross peen.
Maybe you're computer is secure, I know mine is not.
See! My brother fits right in...he has an extensive collection of hammers, from an itty-bitty one up to a 6lb sledge. When we were kids, most everything on the farm got fixed with bailing wire and a hammer. I am an admitted computer geek, and yes, my credit card account has been hacked 3-4 times.
Hope your winter AS works out, we're hoping to do one in Kansas.
I am thinking that the Red and Orange hats should bring some cans of compressed air to blow out snow/water/crud.
I found EEZOX online @ MidwayUSA 6 months ago.
a spray bottle filled with RV antifreeze (the non-toxic -50 red stuff) works great for cleaning out snow/ice from firearms.
Royal Purple gun oil or SLIP 2000 works good in the cold.
I'd do a winter appleseed. I'm a member of two of the Billings ranges now, early December isn't usually silly cold. I'll camp out with whoever wants to come.
Can you get us a weekend approved with one of those ranges, seems like Blue Creek would be glad to host another appleseed.
We just need a local to set it up.
I'll see what I can do.
Quote from: Gremlin on October 12, 2010, 09:11:07 AM
I'll see what I can do.
Gremlin,
I think Blue Creek Range would be awesome...pm me and we can chat about this
Glocker21
I ran into the manager of the Blue Creek range today while buying some powder at Cabelas. He was very excited about an upcoming appleseed but seems surprised that we wanted to run one in winter. :) Anyway, any date after then end of hunting season is a go. That means right after Thanksgiving. I'm hoping we can do one in May again as well and he open to that as well. I've gotten permission to leave flyers at several local gun stores while I was at it. Pick a date, this party is going to happen. Tomorrow is my first USPSA match. Wish me luck!
Gremlin,
Weekend of the 4th is bad for me, it's my bride's birthday. She's no fan of appleseed, barley tolerates it.
Weekend of the 18th I am signed up for Serria Vista AZ.
Christmas is out.
So how about th 11th?
anybody else?
I've got a possible Cub Scout activity that weekend, but I'm not supposed to be directly involved. I can push it off my schedule if an Appleseed happens that weekend.
Two weekends in a row, appleseed with all the travel time to AZ is likley to get some sort of negitive reaction from the little woman.
Quote from: clodhopper on October 16, 2010, 12:31:43 AM
So how about th 11th?
anybody else?
I'd be down with it. Any date in December would work for me, or January for that matter...
I can set up any scheduled date that you guys decide. I will not be able to participate due to the Election and the resulting finish work post election. If yopu guys want the 11th or any other date, let me know I an i will get it on the schedule
Well, Dec 11th will work. Weather will probably be better than it is in January. All of January is clear on my schedule until the 29th of January. The wife has an engagement that day. My opinion should count for very little. I need a rifleman's patch before my attendance matters. I'm just agreeing to make sure the range is happy to see us and take care of some local promotion of the shoot.
If The Count is going to shoot boss suddenly, the fourth or eighteenth would work.
Do you want to shoot boss Count?
Quote from: clodhopper on October 17, 2010, 12:25:20 AM
Do you want to shoot boss Count?
Sure I'm willing to boss it. Although, it sounds like you definitely won't be in attendance if we have it the 4th or 18th, and may not if we have it the 11th.
Any other MT instructors able / willing to do the shoot?
11th works best for me.
We may be able to get thburr, and Beemer. How about B-line? I should be able to be there.
Quote from: clodhopper on October 17, 2010, 10:23:13 PM
We may be able to get thburr, and Beemer. How about B-line? I should be able to be there.
Cool. I'll check with B-Line.
Alright, assuming that the range is good with it, sounds like the weekend of the 11th is a go.
Quote from: The Count on October 17, 2010, 11:05:43 PM
Quote from: clodhopper on October 17, 2010, 10:23:13 PM
We may be able to get thburr, and Beemer. How about B-line? I should be able to be there.
Cool. I'll check with B-Line.
Alright, assuming that the range is good with it, sounds like the weekend of the 11th is a go.
Sounds like I need to go shooting tomorrow. Go ahead twist my arm. :)
Bluecreek range has us penciled in for the weekend of the 11th of December. As soon as you give me the go ahead I'll talk to the local gun stores and see if I can leave some flyers.
Do you guys want this to be scheduled on national? Get me finalized info (I need a little more than penciled in unfortunately) and I will get it posted
When I say penciled in, he has reserved the rifle range for our use for that entire weekend. He wants final details like 8am to 5pm or whatever we want. Did you need any further confirmation?
Thanks Gremlin for making this happen.
Hope your shooting went well today, it's always easyer when no one is watching.
Quote from: clodhopper on October 19, 2010, 01:03:12 AM
Thanks Gremlin for making this happen.
Hope your shooting went well today, it's always easyer when no one is watching.
It was a pretty good day. I've been practicing a lot for speed lately thinking it would be important for USPSA competition. It cost me some fundamentals. So today was all trigger control and sight acquisition. Groups improved a lot today but they should be smaller yet. Next time I'll work stance and body position.
Quote from: Gremlin on October 18, 2010, 10:16:36 PM
When I say penciled in, he has reserved the rifle range for our use for that entire weekend. He wants final details like 8am to 5pm or whatever we want. Did you need any further confirmation?
I can get it sent up for two days 0800-1500 starting on 11 December
I've emailed the times to the range to get confirmation and do not foresee any problems.
I will plan on Dec 11/12 as IIT in Billings.
Hey Gremlin, I think this is where you tell Glocker, Yes please do set it up!
Just got confirmation from the range manager (Mel) that this is 100%. He asked about any additional paperwork. In the host a shoot section I see there is a five page questionaire that spells out everything. Tomorrow is hunting season so the boy and I will be out testing our skills against the forest rats. Hopefully Monday I can get out there and get that questionaire filled out. Anything else I need to do? Do we have some kind of pre-made flyer that I can have posted at the local gun shops/ranges?
Quote from: Gremlin on October 22, 2010, 09:22:18 AM
In the host a shoot section I see there is a five page questionaire that spells out everything. . . . Hopefully Monday I can get out there and get that questionaire filled out. Anything else I need to do? Do we have some kind of pre-made flyer that I can have posted at the local gun shops/ranges?
The "home office" should already have the questionnaire on file for Blue Creek since we had the shoot there in May. No need to fill it out again. Glocker just needs to send in the request to get the shoot on the schedule. Once that happens a flier will be created within a couple days, and you can print it out and start distributing it.
Talk about a way to make it easy. I just want to say what a well organized group this is. I've dealt with lots of groups that couldn't pull something like this off in less than six months.
Ok, I must not have something complete. I don't see this shoot on the schedule yet. What else do I need to do?
Relax Gremlin...lol the request has been emailed.
I just double checked. Big Appleseed is working on it
Glocker21 sends
Awesome, building my liberty rifle now.
Schedule is up, I've got flyers printed. I'm headed to the range to touch base with the range manager and sight in my rifle. Oh happy day.
How much snow ya'll got on the ground up there? Anybody been out to the range recently? Just curious as to how things look. Granted, it will probably snow a foot+ next week, lol.
Last time at Blue Creek we made use of the existing 100 yrd backers as our target line. Still think that this is a reasonable approach? Or should we back up to the benches (or right in front of the benches) and setup our own target line?
I'll be on the range today. Buddy has a new CZ he wants to play with, I've got a new S&W, and the local sherriff dude just got a new Glock and Sig. I'll report back on snow depths in a few hours. Depending on how many shooters we have, there is a twenty five yard backer board on the rifle range, it would support at least six shooters.
Quote from: Gremlin on December 04, 2010, 10:49:17 AM
there is a twenty five yard backer board on the rifle range, it would support at least six shooters.
Close, but we would need an additional 7 feet... and although I don't expect a large turnout, we probably won't know what we've got until right around 800 Saturday morning. So we'll need to be prepared for more than six.
OK, it was dang cold at the range this morning. Snow is calf deep, call it 12-15 inches. The 25yd backer board on the rifle range is 24 feet long. There are bench rests in front of most of it. I don't know how we would set up so I guess we'll have to figure it out Friday evening. I would be happy to come out sometime on Friday to help set up with whatever we need. If one of the range officers wants to visit out there this week, that would be cool. The range owners are excited to have us. In the two hours of shooting we did today, there wasn't a single other person on there.
Quote from: Gremlin on December 04, 2010, 02:53:32 PM
The 25yd backer board on the rifle range is 24 feet long. There are bench rests in front of most of it.
Problem isn't the length, it's the distance from the firing line. We need 25
meters. The "concrete/wooden equipment holders" would be in the way.
QuoteI would be happy to come out sometime on Friday to help set up with whatever we need.
Cool, not sure when I'll be able to make it up there. Hopefully sometime early afternoon Friday. I suppose we can run with the standard t-post, wire and cardboard backer setup. We'll shoot from in between the benches or right in front of them. I believe I have a few t-posts, and can get more if needed. We just need to round up some cardboard suitable for backer material. Snow should actually help in this regard, as we can just shove the cardboard down into the snow and tie off the tops.
Sounds fine to me. I've got a post driver in the garage, frozen ground will make that fun. :)
When I was doing the T-post and wire, I would get my cardboard from the local appliance store. Those big 'fridge boxes worked great and covered a lot of area. One on the side was just about the right height too.
-CZ
Quote from: MontanaCZ on December 06, 2010, 10:13:46 PM
When I was doing the T-post and wire, I would get my cardboard from the local appliance store. Those big 'fridge boxes worked great and covered a lot of area. One on the side was just about the right height too.
-CZ
Dishwasher boxes are great too....dishwashers are 24" wide x 34" tall. 4 backers per box.
Do we have any idea how many we need? I've got a local appliance salesman in my pocket.
I forgot to mention that most refrigerators come 'shrinkwrapped' these days. About the only appliances still coming in boxes are dishwashers, ranges, and washers/dryers.
QuoteDo we have any idea how many we need? I've got a local appliance salesman in my pocket.
get as many as you can safely store..... you never know when they'll come in handy.
Gremlin,
Lacking a response from The Count on your backers need, we have 3 shooters signed up as of tonight. There are three instructors and one shooter comming from the Bozeman-Livingston area. That I know of. We may get a few walk ons.
If we had backers for 10 it would likley be enough.
Last time we used the Blue Creek range, a few shooters fired at 100 and 200 yards. Backers for 3 targets at each range could be more than enough.
Beemer and I should arrive at the range around 8AM Satuerday.
Jeff,
If you are storing a lot of cardboard I reccomend having a few good cats around.
The range owner, another instructor, and I cleaned out a shed we had stored cardboard over the winter. Over by Three Forks.
The mice did real well making nests, shredding, and pooping.
We had a nice bonfire for a while there.
I was hoping to make it up but that looks like a very slim possibility at the moment. I printed up and set out flyers and Fred's "wanna be a responsible gun owner" targets both days at the gun show down here in Pocatello last weekend. The dozen flyers I put out on Saturday were gone by lunch and I put out another 20 on Sunday (can't be sure how many were taken - I was busy working a table away from the hallway all weekend and the remainders were cleared by the time I got back from breakdown and loading on Sunday). I'll try and make it, but can't guarantee. There were some out-of-staters at the show, so maybe I've gotten you some more local attendees.
Thanks for the promo, Hezekiah, if we get any shooters from down your way I will let you know.
The Count and I set backer board this afternoon. We've got room for 10 shooters or twenty if we remove shooting benches. I'm looking forward to tomorrow.