I wonder how many are interested in a Rifleman's Boot Camp?
For one, I am very interested, as I feel that I need a longer program to perfect the skills necessary to achieve Rifleman status.
I am signed up for my second Appleseed in November at Myakka but I'll take all the training I can get.
Perhaps if enough of us are interested, an RBC could be arranged for late in the year, in the cooler months?
Definite interest here! I agree that cooler weather with less bugs would be even better. I really like what I have read about RBCs in other states, even if I *may* not be able to attend, I still think it's a great idea!
-NHale
My thought was to hold it in early December, for two reasons:
1. Many of the Snowbirds will be back in Florida, and some in northern climes may come just for the RBC
2. It will be a cooler time, hopefully, and that will be attractive to those who like myself, can't take the heat and humidity.
We need to have some positive responses so that ItsanSKS sees the interest and does what is necessary to get this organized.
Reports from other RBC's and IBC's extoll the great time that was had.
The extra days spent with great people, should be attractive to many, I hope.
Let's hear it from Appleseeders who want that training to attain Rifleman
We do have a facility that would accommodate a Riflemans Boot Camp (RBC), though I have not, as of yet, asked the range owner about such a thing. We are working diligently to ensure that our debut event at that location goes better than expected, so that when I do ask, (and I will) the answer will be a foregone conclusion.
In order to schedule a RBC, we need at least 6 people to voice their desire. Once we have those six, we can begin coordination of our schedules, to determine which week would be the most convenient for all involved.
To alleviate any possible misconception:
An Instructor Boot Camp is 1: only for those who already are, or would like to become, RWVA Instructors-In-Training. 2: There is little-to-no marksmanship instruction at an IBC, as it is geared toward teaching the instructors how to be better instructors. (The ability to instruct rifle marksmanship does tend to have a net benefit on marksmanship ability, but that is not the primary purpose) 3: There is rarely, if ever, any rounds put down range at an IBC. 4: Rifles are not necessary at an IBC, though they make helpful props for instruction purposes.
Now, contrast this with the RBC concept:
1: A RBC is a week-long course, designed to take someone who has never held a rifle before to "Rifleman" status. 2: anyone can attend. 3: Features a complete full-distance component, with the advantage of offering an AQT administered at actual distance. 4: Center-fire rifles are required for the full-distance component, though rimfire can be used for any range from 25m-100m 5: those interested will be given the opportunity to try their hand at instructing, and will be given specific, one-on-one tutelage to this end, culminating in their debut event at the end of the RBC.
Current instructors are encouraged to attend, and assist in the instruction of, any RBC.
"In order to schedule a RBC, we need at least 6 people to voice their desire. Once we have those six, we can begin coordination of our schedules, to determine which week would be the most convenient for all involved."
WE NEED 6.
I AM ONE!
This is a great opportunity. If you are already an instructor, or an IIT, and you have not been to a boot camp, I would highly recommend you find the time to go. You will think of this experience the rest of your life.
depending on when, i have permission! O0
NHale
Smoakingun
Hornblower
We need a minimum of 6!
66 people have read the post.
I can't believe that there aren't at least 10 more Florida Appleseeders interested in a week with great people, being trained to do what they love, to a greater degree of excellence!!
I'll come down and "run" it.
Now you have it fully staffed, and I wanted to get down there this year for a shoot anyway, so.....
BTW,
if you do get one set up, or need some more intrest, then pimp this out in the GA board as well.....
They got some good (Appleseed) folk there.
Quote from: hornblower on May 05, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
NHale
Smoakingun
Hornblower
We need a minimum of 6!
66 people have read the post.
I can't believe that there aren't at least 10 more Florida Appleseeders interested in a week with great people, being trained to do what they love, to a greater degree of excellence!!
I think that is largely a function of publicity. How many Florida folks know of Appleseed? How many know about RBCs? How many are forum members? How many can swing it? (Note, there is no question of "how many would want it", all GOOD Americans want it. I think I need to spend more time converting the unarmed heathen...)
We've had 92 reads of this topic so far, and I would think that they are all members of this forum.
PPP (pretty pis- poor) that we can't get 10% of those who read the topic to express an interest.
We need a minimum of 3 more.
HB
I would be happy to assist in any way deemed worthwhile.
We have offers of help from PHenry, The Guy, and ItsanSKS.
We have 3 Appleseeders interested, and I would like to get that to about 10, at a minimum.
So we need some committments to reach that goal.
Then we need a date and a range.
My preference is for an early December date, so that anyone else who is in my age bracket, (70) and my physical condition (not great),
would not have to cope with high heat and humidity.
Come on guys, a week doing what we love, with great and like minded people, with the best instruction available; it doesn't get any better than that!!!!!!
Hornblower
I'm certainly interested. Not sure how it will go over at home. What should you expect a personal budget to be for an RBC? How many center fire rounds are we talking about? Can we camp there for free? I read ITSANSKS's post and understand the range is only in the works, but these are the sort of things that could be deal breakers for me at the moment.
Casey
Caseyblane
All that you need to know can be found here:
http://appleseedinfo.org/boot_camps.html
The cost is $200 for the week - i.e. the cost paid to the RWVA.
Food, shelter, and ammunition are in addition to this.
Take a look at the above site.
Hornblower
The 'ideal' location (as far as cost to lease, cost to camp, etc.) is our brand-new venue in Silver Springs. It is located on 30 acres or so of private property, offers free camping (primitive, with no water or electric hookups) and has range to 800 yds +.
I'm honestly not sure of round count. I've seen some reports of people putting in excess of 1,500 rounds down range, though I doubt we would approach that high of a number. I would suggest bringing 500+ rounds of .22, and 500+ rounds of center fire. If you have more available, bring it. If you don't, WHY NOT?! What good is a rifle if it starves to death?!
As soon as I have some available dates set up with the range, I will let everyone know.
Hi Fla!
Just wanted to share my RBC experience Osage Beach 10/09 FANTASTIC EXCELLENT SUPERB ok I quit with the adjectives....Seriously it is worth every bit of $$ put into it. Round wise I took 600 rounds 5.56 didn't use near that amount, did take 1000 rounds of .22 used about 600-700. We did have one day of range time lost to rain however the classroom information absolutely invaluable! No loss of day at all. The Guy ran the camp again excellent, all the instructors were great, one on one instruction and you learn something different from each person that works with you. They make sure to find what works best for you and that your rifle fits you not you fit your rifle. Any issues you have with getting your groups to 4MOA will be diagnosed---Does anyone know how intimidating it can be to have The Guy, Dinky Dao, Meanstreaker, EEL, Pappy, Greg from MO, Aftermath, Boba Fett, and Ben1775 standing behind you as you shoot trying to figure out what the heck you are doing wrong??? :o ??? :o Praise God it wasn' t all me, my rifle wasn' t quite right. Then they put Big Papa on my case ::) I came away with a Rifleman's patch, an orange hat, and an increased love of marksmanship, liberty, and a whole heap of friends I would die for---that ain't blue smoke either!
If there is any way possible you can save the $$ for the boot camp DO IT!! It will be the best investment of time and money you have ever spent.
In His Grip,
Ratchett
I can get 3 weekdays off given a month's notice...
just point...
I am interested and might be able to attend depending on the date and the location.
Terry
The Guy was correct that some Georgia Appleseeders would be interested in an RBC close to home. Definitely count me in! The RBC I attended at Ramseur (2-10!) was one of the best experiences of my life, and made me some lifelong friends. Now I know what to expect, it would be even more productive, as it would allow me to hone the skills that I feel need a bit more attention in order to be of more service to Appleseed. Long-range and work with my centerfire come to mind. Anyway, your student number has increased by one as of now. Happy bailing!
DrJohn
If it's after finals week, I'll be there for sure! I'd love to get my M1A out to stretch its legs!
It looks like we are now up to 5 who are interested in a Rifleman's Boot Camp.
My preference for place is in SW Florida - around Ft. Myers would be ideal.
My preference for time is in late November or early December, when the temperatures and humidity will be more bearable.
We have at least 3 Instructors who have offered to help.
I am sure that if we get this scheduled, we would have plenty of people interested, but we need people to express interest in order to get it scheduled.
Hornblower
Quote from: hornblower on May 05, 2010, 02:51:10 PM
We've had 92 reads of this topic so far, and I would think that they are all members of this forum.
PPP (pretty pis- poor) that we can't get 10% of those who read the topic to express an interest.
We need a minimum of 3 more.
HB
I've been watching this topic with an interest in attending (wife also). But I haven't spoken up because date and location will make the difference if we can attend or not.
Figure on 1500 rounds.
1000 .22
500 or more CF.
Yes, you will most likely go home w/some, but you do not want to run out.
Quote from: gaterloco on May 06, 2010, 12:39:57 PM
I've been watching this topic with an interest in attending (wife also). But I haven't spoken up because date and location will make the difference if we can attend or not.
Speak up! we haven't set a date and location because we don't have enough interest to warrant it. Once we have 10 people *interested*, I will poll those interested and find out what dates/locations work for the most people. It is the fairest way of doing it.
The Silver Springs venue is centrally located within the state, so it will be equally inconvenient for everyone... Plus, it costs Appleseed NOTHING to use this range- the private land owner has kindly agreed to donate the land for our use. This is a SIGNIFICANT savings. Another range MAY be available in S. Florida, but I cannot speak to that, as of yet; negotiations are in the works. Rest assured that I am not sitting on my laurels, waiting for a range to fall into my lap.
I would make a trip down from ct for one but due to school i can only take time off late December or early January. so don't use me as one of the definite 10 you need but keep in mind i will be looking into attending if its scheduled during my break. no guarantees just throwing it out there
Silver Springs would be a go for me. Ft. Meyers is a little too far for me.
Listen.
You build it, they will come.
Get a location, get it on the schedule, and folks will make it.
Folks, you have no idea how important it is to get to an RBC. Distance should never be a consideration. This is directed at all, not just FLA folks. If you are coming as a student, you will learn to be able to shoot so much better, and get more time at real distance than usually possible. As an IIT or Instructor, you will get a whole week to learn from eachother on how to be a better Instructor, not to mention hone your own skills. Not to mention the team building and camradire that MUST be built to make a group function like a well oiled machine.
I truely believe that any Instructor who really wants to be among the best should make at least 1 RBC per year. The oppritunity is too good to pass up. I don't care how far away it is, it will be worth it.
Trust Guy on this one.
See you there.
Silver Springs and after the 10th of December (Lor' willin' an' the creek don't rise) I'll be there.
Other arrangements may be difficult, but I'll certainly still make every effort.
FF
Thanks for the additional information. Yes, I can get the money. They're printing it all the time, right? Now, to work on the wife.
Casey
We now have about 8 interested parties, and we have plenty of time to promote this and attract many more to an RBC.
ItsanSKS, let's pick a place and set a date, so that we can get definite sign-ups.
I would like to get this in before the end of the year.
It looks like the weeks of December 5 or December 12 would be good for several people.
The begining of December is definitely a good time, before we get into the Christmas season, with people heading out of Florida to visit with families.
The weather should also be about perfect at that time of the year; not too cold and not too hot.
I'm going to my second Appleseed on May 29-30 at Myakka City.
Let's get a Florida RBC done.
Hornblower
The week of Dec. the 12th would be perfect. The fifth through the tenth is the week of my finals. :P
I think we've shown enough interest that I can approach the land owner, and the consensus seems to be for a timeframe in mid-December or early January.
I will talk to our southern range this Sunday, and report back ASAP. I will talk to our Silver Springs range at the event being held there next weekend, and will report back afterwords.
While those of you contemplating that the event in December will be nice and cool, if a bit warm yet, I assure you (as someone who moved here from Michigan not too long ago) that the evenings get downright nippy. The temps reach mid-60's during the day, true enough, but that doesn't help if you've frozen to death during the night!
ItsanSKS
I have talked about early December since I started this thread.
Perhaps we would do better with weather in November, but then I don't know about the people who have responded favorably to the proposed December dates.
My personal feeling is that I can take measures to stay warm in the evening, but I can't do much about high heat and humidity during the day.
5-7 days in the hot sun would be more than I could take.
Hornblower
I would like shoot this event, and help on the line as well.
I don't get to shoot as much as I would like like.
Having Three rifles and 3 calibers and some other equipment I would like the time to slow down and refine my shooting with each weapon at range.
What is the longest range available ?
I would like to bring the wife as she has limited rifle shooting, but that will give me time between now and then to bring her up to speed.
Is this the place ?
http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=15500+SE+24th.+St.+Rd+silver+springs+florida&gl=us&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=15500+SE+24th+Street+Rd,+Silver+Springs,+Marion,+Florida+34488&ll=29.174244,-81.965894&spn=0.007785,0.016512&z=17&iwloc=A
I talked with the owner of the property in Ft. Myers on Sunday. He was receptive to the idea, but could not commit this early. I will talk with him again soon to find out when he would be comfortable with it.
I have not yet spoken with Bradford Sportsmens Farm regarding the use of their facility, but I do know that they charge a serious fee for use of their range, and this would most likely make it cost prohibitive for most shooters.
I will talk to the property owner in Silver Springs this weekend, and attempt to get him on board for an RBC. He hasn't yet seen Appleseed in action, so I'm taking it easy for now. This will be our first event at his property, and I'm certain that once he sees the event first-hand, he'll be sold.
Give me some time, and we'll get one on the schedule. A week of camping, shooting, and camraderie, what could be better?!
Eric
That sounds great.
I think an RBC anyplace in Florida would attract a good group.
If we can get it in Ft. Myers, or anywhere in SW Florida, we can get the jump start we need to make Appleseed vibrant in this area.
Let me know if there is anything that I can do to help.
Once we have the range, and the date, I will promote it heavily in the Naples area.
Silver springs? Count the Parramore Knot in. Queenie will be dialed in at 600 by then
itsansks saidit best,if a range is available in central fl it would be equally inconvient for everyone. weather in december should be ideal, dry, cool to moderate temps, 8 to 10 hours a day in the fl. sunshine. 8)
"itsansks saidit best,if a range is available in central fl it would be equally inconvient for everyone."
That's great, but if we want to grow Appleseed in the state of Florida, we should be thinking of how to make it convenient for everyone.
To my knowledge, we have nothing in the way of Appleseed's in the following counties:
Charlotte
Glades
Lee
Hendry
Collier
That's a big chunk of population.
I think we can have RBC's in several geographic locations, and attract more people because of the proximity.
Not everyone can afford overnight accomodations for 7 days.
Being able to go home at night might make an RBC, and an Appleseed, more attractive to a larger number of people.
You can count on one more. When and where is the question.
Itsansks
Any progress on a place?
I am certain that once we announce a date and a place, we will have more than enough for an RBC.
I am willing to go anyplace, at any time, but I would prefer something in SW Florida, and when the weather is cooler.
I am going to my second Appleseed this weekend in Myakka City.
I can take two days in the 90+ heat, but I don't know how I would do for 7-8 days.
Any more info on time and place? I really liked the Silver Springs location but can you really get to 500+ yards there? The weather is usually good in early-mid Dec., even for camping out (well, except for the wind and cold and rain. :)) Not necessarily having to tent it would be a big plus however. Nothing like a hot shower after flinging lead downrange all day is what I say. So let's do it!
ItsanSKS has already left for Myakka, but I know he has a likely location for this RBC at a range north of Silver Springs I believe. He spoke to the owner and I believe that he has gotten an affirmative response and will soon announce same.
In the mean time - we need help getting the word out for existing events already on the books. I have in my possession, about 50# of SWAT reprints and a great flier PDF that can be printed out for distribution to local gun shops, ranges, bulletin boards, etc. The only restriction is your imagination and time.
Many thanks - look forward to meeting all ya'll on the trail - time for me to leave for Myakka too, since I have all the stuff!
PH
I can't commit to making plans 6 months ahead, but I am interested in attending a Florida RBC. I have no idea what it costs, but whatever the cost, I bet it would be worth it.
As I understand it, the cost is $200.
That is for the RBC.
Food, Lodging and perhaps range fees, are extra.
As these go 8 days, it is necessary to plan well in advance.
Landowners, and ranges, need long lead times to insure that the RBC does not interfere with other activities.
I was at RBC 1 way back in 2006 and I want to do it again! I'll sign up as an attendee--anywhere and anywhen in Florida. I'm not sure which was the more fun--the shooting or the hanging out together in the evenings.
Count me in (Lord willing),
RickB
I am willing to attend your boot camp.... I would consider hosting it at my farm, as I have a small private range. There's ample room for camping but I do not tolerate ciggerette butts on the ground or smoking anywhere close to my buildings.
Quote from: flnativegal on June 04, 2010, 10:37:02 AM
I am willing to attend your boot camp.... I would consider hosting it at my farm, as I have a small private range. There's ample room for camping but I do not tolerate ciggerette butts on the ground or smoking anywhere close to my buildings.
PM Sent
I have the interest and annual leave available to attend. Especially in mild temperatures. But is this a centerfire event? Maybe that's a dumb question, so here's another I reckon: Is there some place on the RWVA site that describes what happens at RBC? Would save trying everyone's patience with explaining to me. Many thanks in advance. Richard, Tallahassee FL
From my second post in this thread:
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Now, contrast this with the RBC concept:
1: A RBC is a week-long course, designed to take someone who has never held a rifle before to "Rifleman" status. 2: anyone can attend. 3: Features a complete full-distance component, with the advantage of offering an AQT administered at actual distance. 4: Center-fire rifles are required for the full-distance component, though rimfire can be used for any range from 25m-100m 5: those interested will be given the opportunity to try their hand at instructing, and will be given specific, one-on-one tutelage to this end, culminating in their debut event at the end of the RBC.
Current instructors are encouraged to attend, and assist in the instruction of, any RBC.
So, Yes. Centerfire rifles are required for the 'long range' portion, which will, at a minimum, be 400 yards, preferably 500.
We have ranges in FL that will allow shooting to 600+ yards. The RBC will undoubtedly be at such a range. You should provide for at least 500 rounds of centerfire and 500 rounds of rimfire. It makes the PSL look pretty good.
Many thanks ItsanSKS and Willorith, and other helpful commenters on the thread. I'll start trying to find a centerfire rifle. I would like very much to learn this well and completely, and build skills.
I'm in. I spent half the day on the CMP site (ordinarily I don't like shopping, but this was different) and reading their catalog. I'll place my CMP order Monday -- that seems like the expedient way to do it -- 60 days to delivery, according to their site. I will pay attention to the thread and watch for dates. For a week-long event, any location of your choice will be fine. I'll camp, if that's an option, and will bring extra chairs and no attitude.
Well this is beginning to sound like a Go, Depending on where and when I will say Yes to an RBC, I asked the GF and She is Up for it too!
Silver Springs is a Great location and I and GF attended the May 15,16 event there. We had Fun and the People were GREAT! there are A lot of Hotel, Motels in the area, Just make Your reservations early, If You are going that route. Camping should be done in a Tent, or a tent style pop up trailer,a very light truck mounted camper might be OK also. Anything more than that could pose a Problem.
There seems to be at least 10 if not 20 Campgrounds/RV parks in a 10-15 mile range of this Appleseed event area.
If done in the Ft Myers area, that could be doable also, as I have a few friends in that area too!
I will be checking the subject out often, to keep up to date.
Tom
I think Silver Springs would be a great location for a RBC. How about early December before the snow gets too deep? ;) I would be up for it, snow and all. The sooner it is scheduled, the sooner I can put it on my calender, start buying more ammo, digging out my tent/sleeping bag/ground pad--or Mastercard. Build it and they will come...
Is Silver Spring in Marion County.
Anyone have the exact address.
I get two Silver Spring's when I mapquest it.
One is east of Ocala, and the other is west of Tallahassee.
Thank you.
Yes, Silver Springs is in Marion County, just East of Ocala.
Oh! 9mm4545 You are a silly Goose, Everyone knows that it only snows in Florida during a Blue Moon, then only in January, and February. But the nights in Early December, may drop into the 40's
As They say on the Price is Right"COME ON DOWN!!!!"
Right now, lows in the 40's sounds pretty good. So do we have a date and a place? After all, them Redcoats ain't gonna shoot themselves, are they?
It would seem that there is a lot of interest in a Florida RBC.
Since I started this thread on May 4,we have had 994 views, with many responses expressing interest.
We await word of a time and a place.
It would seem that we have enough interest to have more than one RBC before the year end.
I am sure that finding a place, that will allow us 7 or 8 days of exclusive use, is not that easy to secure.
We are confident that Florida Appleseeders will be able to come up with the facility we need.
After the heat of Summer sounds like a good idea, but I'm thinking you'll want it before the elections. Although afterwards, you might get a bigger draw.
NH
The owner of the property in Silver Springs is an understandably busy guy- farmer, business owner, and electrican, plus having a family... So yeah, he's awfully tough to get in touch with, and thats on a good day. We've spoken, and he's supportive, but has some concerns that need to be addressed before giving the official "okay".
In an effort to not leave our eggs all in one basket, I am also attempting to reach the owner of the Bradford Sportsmens Farm, which is near Starke, FL. This range features 850yds, a berm wide enough for about 20 shooters, and has camping facilities on-site.
Keep the hope alive, and I will report back with any new developments!
In the meantime, keep up with your dry-fire practice, and keep on the lookout for new places to hold events- two-day, week-long, or mini, we need all the venues we can get- there can never be too many, after all!
-ItsanSKS
i would be interested definitely december later the better
To All:
UPDATE: RBC AT BSF IS ON HOLD. DETAILS FOLLOWAs you all know, I have been working diligently to promote Appleseed with new ranges, and getting them signed up for events. In the course of my travels throughout the state, I have come across a venue that will be superb for Appleseed, in that it can provide EVERYTHING that we will need, and then some.
Up to this point, we have only had one viable location for an RBC, and this was the aforementioned Bradford Sportsmens Farm. I moved forward with getting an RBC there due to the pent up demand for one, with much trepidation; they are a for-profit venue, and have provided very little in the way of logistics and support at previous events. When the first concern about setting up an RBC is 'how much can we bring in, and how soon will you be able to pay' I get the feeling that they are not in it for 'the mission', but rather for $$$....
In my quest to find a premiere location for a Riflemens Boot Camp here in Florida, I have used a list of qualifiers that I've been looking for in a host facility:
- Ability to shoot Known Distances (400yds +)
- On-site camping facilities
- Reasonable Fee
The selection of BSF has been a compromise, as they only meet #'s 1 & 2.
Over the last three weeks, I have been working with the owner of a venue in Central Florida. A man who prides himself on providing a comfortable atmosphere. A patriot who believes wholeheartedly in "The Mission", and who is dead-set on hosting "the best damned Riflemans Boot Camp in the country!".
A few details remain to be hammered out, but I can tell you that this will be like no other RBC- it will be an all-inclusive event- food, accommodations, transportation, entertainment, the whole ball of wax.
Some of the things I
CAN tell you are these: the per-person cost will be similar; the dates will remain the same (December 12-19, 2010) food will be provided (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and there will be three tiers of accommodations available- free camping, a low-cost bunk house that can sleep 8-10, and a plush lodge that can sleep 10 VERY comfortably.
I will be meeting with this gentleman within the week, and hope to be able to announce the full details no later than next weekend.
I sincerely apologize for what seems to be the interminable delays, but I think that once you see what we will be getting for our money, you will agree that I have made the right call.
Please, hold tight. The wait is worth it, my friends!
In Liberty,
ItsanSKS
I have just received the green light from the Bradford Sportsmens Farm, in Graham, FL for our very first Riflemens Boot Camp (RBC). The dates for this event will be from December 13th through December 19th.
Pre-registration for this event will be available soon, so start making plans to be there.
If you want to learn how to shoot your rifle, out to the traditional "Riflemans Quarter Mile" and beyond, this is the perfect opportunity to do so.
A centerfire rifle is required for this class, as is ammunition. I will endeavor to post the specifics ASAP. Please do not hesitate to contact me with any questions you may have.
WE HAVE OUR RBC!
The owners of the Bradford Sportsmens Farm, in Graham FL, have agreed to host Florida's very first Riflemans Boot Camp. This range features an 850yd firing line, and is wide enough to accommodate up to 23 shooters simultaneously.
Pre-registration for this event will begin shortly, and if you are intent upon coming, I HIGHLY suggest you pre-register for this event, as folks from all around the country will want to escape the ravages of winter...
Eric.
I'm interested as I posted earlier.
Just need the dates, cost and ammo required to figure out time, money etc.
Thanks for the all the help at Citra.
Regards and best wishes...Martin
Eric.
I'm interested as I posted earlier.
Just need the dates, cost and ammo required to figure out time, money etc.
Thanks for the all the help at Citra.
Regards and best wishes...Martin
SWEET!! I'm in!
RBC in FL-December! That's gonna be a real hotspot!
Huzza!
SEE FIRST POST
Florida's first RBC.
Location: Bradford Sportsmens Farm (www.bsfshootingsports.com)
Dates: Monday, December 13th through Sunday, December 19th. Start time of 8:30am each day.
Camping is available on-site, with RV hookups, including Electric and potable Water.
Cost to attend: $200 registration fee, plus $20/day range fee = $340/person for the whole week.
Stuff to bring: In addition to the articles normally brought to a two-day Appleseed, you will want to examine this list of things to bring to your boot camp: http://www.appleseedinfo.org/bc_whattobring.html
FYI: this event WILL NOT happen, unless we can get at least five people pre-registered by September. Please, do not wait until the last minute, as by doing so, you may find that the event has been canceled... The pre-registration information and an 'official' Event Information Page will be forthcoming soon.
YES! YES! YES! I want to sign up and there is a fair to good chance that my wife might want to do it also. "When" is the big question.
Please provide the sign-up link.
You will never get 5 people if no one can figure how to sign-up !
Please provide a sign-up link ASAP.
Only then will you know how many people can afford the time and money to pre-pay the event.
Camping is $10.00 a day per site.
Any registration news yet as I'm another option has come up for this timeframe and I will need to decide in a few days.
As an Appleseed Rifleman, I am about as green as they come, but I am still in for this event and will register and pay as soon as the page is set up. I expect I will learn a lot, as I always do at Appleseed. Due to a family medical emergency among my wife's family in Colombia, I am on a slower track to buy a Garand and the necessary ammunition, but will have that completed before these dates. I have zero experience buying a CMP Garand, so if any compassionate reader has important insights for unwary newbies like me, I welcome your comments and criticisms, by private reply if you prefer. I'll be camping at this event, and REALLY looking forward to this.
Quote from: AdobeWallsOfFla on July 31, 2010, 06:43:40 PM
As an Appleseed Rifleman, I am about as green as they come, but I am still in for this event and will register and pay as soon as the page is set up. I expect I will learn a lot, as I always do at Appleseed. Due to a family medical emergency among my wife's family in Colombia, I am on a slower track to buy a Garand and the necessary ammunition, but will have that completed before these dates. I have zero experience buying a CMP Garand, so if any compassionate reader has important insights for unwary newbies like me, I welcome your comments and criticisms, by private reply if you prefer. I'll be camping at this event, and REALLY looking forward to this.
Information on buying a Garand would be appreciated.
I anticipate buying one through the CMP program.
How high in the quality scale of the CMP rifles do you have to go to get a really good rifle?
Adobe & Horn -- I believe that the best way to buy a CMP Garand is to go to the South store in Anniston, AL and pick one out yourself. Normally when you walk in, you'll see a couple of hundred Garands in racks. Surrender your driver's license and you can borrow a set of muzzle and breech erosion gauges to start checking rifles. I've always concentrated on the muzzle erosion gauge to make my first quick and dirty exam of possible rifles. Find some with little or no muzzle wear and you're looking at a virtually new barrel. From there you can refine your selection to look at cosmetics, receiver number, manufacturer, etc., but likely you'll have a good shooter if the barrel is good.
Now, for your best selection, try to be there early on a Wednesday morning. They stock inventory on Monday and Tuesday, and sell Wednesday through Saturday. Anniston is located on I-20 roughly half way between Atlanta and Birmingham.
If you order through the mail, you'll get the luck of the draw and can't count on delivery time due to their backlog. Since the sales tax in Anniston is 10%, if you find a rifle you like, it will be cheaper to have them mail it to your home rather than take it with you. There's a fair chance the rifle will be at your home before you get back. However, if you also buy ammunition, it's cheaper to pay the sales tax and take it with you due to weight of shipping.
Hope this helps.
Dick
Whoops, that message was so ready it sent itself.
Another newbie question: Does CMP ship in heavy grease like the old old days? Or do rifles come ready to load and shoot? Or something different?
I've never even picked up a Garand to look at it. Do shooters need to buy .30-06 already loaded in en bloc clips, or is that an easy step?
That's all my absurdly dumb questions tonight. Many thanks!
Showing how green I really am.
Some come with lots of grease, some have none at all. It's luck of the draw. You can buy ammo with or without clips from the CMP.
I went to the store on a Thursday in April. There were no service grades on the rack, but there were some correct grades and the CMP specials. I ended up going home with a couple of good field grades. Wasn't very crowded at all.
I hear the crowds are kind of bad Wednesday morning and you will have to contend with people trying to block the racks so they can cherry pick the better ones first. You might also see resellers going in and buying up the whole rack of service grades, so if you find one you like, get it fast.
I'm tempted to sign up for the RBC and take a vacation in December. I've got relatives that live near there and I've been to the range before. It's a great facility. It would be a few months before I would know if it was feasible though.
A service grade is probably your best bet.
Understand that a barrel can measure from a -.5 to +2 on the gauge and still be a new barrel due to allowed tolerances. Another place to look at as an indication of usage is the breech of the barrel where the top of the bolt hits it as it goes to battery.
Be ready to detail strip the rifle, meaning to remove every part of the rifle, clean and inspect it. The newest of these are almost 60 years old.
If you need a hand, just ask.
Quote from: douglas34474 on August 01, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
A service grade is probably your best bet.
Understand that a barrel can measure from a -.5 to +2 on the gauge and still be a new barrel due to allowed tolerances. Another place to look at as an indication of usage is the breech of the barrel where the top of the bolt hits it as it goes to battery.
Be ready to detail strip the rifle, meaning to remove every part of the rifle, clean and inspect it. The newest of these are almost 60 years old.
If you need a hand, just ask.
If you absolutely want a new barrel, you can always pay a little more and get one of the refinished special grades with the new barrels. Don't overlook the field grades though. The one I got is very accurate, even if it looks a little beat up. It's in decent shape, but you can tell its been used.
http://www.thecmp.org/orderinginfo.htm ordering information
http://www.thecmp.org/formsindex.htm forms
http://www.civilianmarksmanship.com/ links to what the parts are called, how to tear it down, clean it and put it back together
"this event WILL NOT happen, unless we can get at least five people pre-registered by September. Please, do not wait until the last minute, as by doing so, you may find that the event has been canceled... The pre-registration information and an 'official' Event Information Page will be forthcoming soon."
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If we are going to get "at least five people preregistered by September" how about a procedure to do that?
All we need to git started is an acknowledgment right here from a half dozen who are serious about this thing and we'll make it happen.
ItsanSKS is right now weighing our options between two venues. One is perfect, but pricey. The other is a possible "all inclusive" affair and is awaiting owner approval.
Regardless, if a half dozen or more want it - we'll make it happen. We just need serious commitments from serious peoples.
Quote from: ItsanSKS on July 20, 2010, 01:25:30 AM
Florida's first RBC.
Location: Bradford Sportsmens Farm (www.bsfshootingsports.com)
Dates: Monday, December 13th through Sunday, December 19th. Start time of 8:30am each day.
Camping is available on-site, with RV hookups, including Electric and potable Water.
Cost to attend: $200 registration fee, plus $20/day range fee = $340/person for the whole week.
Stuff to bring: In addition to the articles normally brought to a two-day Appleseed, you will want to examine this list of things to bring to your boot camp: http://www.appleseedinfo.org/bc_whattobring.html
FYI: this event WILL NOT happen, unless we can get at least five people pre-registered by September. Please, do not wait until the last minute, as by doing so, you may find that the event has been canceled... The pre-registration information and an 'official' Event Information Page will be forthcoming soon.
Perhaps I am not the only one who misunderstood.
The subject says "Riflemans Boot Camp is a GO!"
I was waiting for the sign up procudure.
I am one seriously commited
I'm in, and have requested leave for those dates, which will be granted.
I'll be there, just show me where to sign up!
This was posted as a GO! on July 19.
It is now August 14.
Are there any updates, further information, sign-up procedure, etc.?
Thank you.
MAJOR UPDATES. PLEASE RE-READ FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD.
ItsanSKS,
Many thanks for your efforts on this. I hope it works out for the preferable venue. I'm planning to be there. (Whether I qualify as a serious person is another question.)
Best,
FF
ItsanSKS
This new venue sounds great.
Put me in for the Lodge.
I'll send whatever money is required as soon as you tell me how much that will be.
Thanks for all of your work on this.
It is truly appreciated.
Best regards,
Dave
Get that puppy signed, sealed and delivered.
Is there a website for the site and lodge etc.
Much appreciated Eric.
Regards and best wishes...Martin
Quote from: ItsanSKS on August 12, 2010, 09:37:50 PM
MAJOR UPDATES. PLEASE RE-READ FIRST POST IN THIS THREAD.
This venue currently has only a Facebook page, though they are working on a real-for-real website. (problems with domain names/copyright stuff) Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/rockycreekranch
I'm looking at meeting with Chris (the facility manager/co-owner) sometime this upcoming week, and will be walking away with the full details, or I won't be walking away... Need to get this baby ON THE BOOKS.
How about a Saturday evening Wild Boar Roast, or catered lunches? Scenery that looks like it has been untouched by humans for centuries... The place is amazing... You'll get a chance to see it for yourself soon enough.
Moving on from the success of this shoot. For many people, 6-days is too long and expensive.
We (you know that's going to Eric) had better start planning 1 or 2 day long distance shoots to build on for established 25 yard 'rifleman'.
You know what I mean.
1) Known distance 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 etc. yards
2) Unknown distance - you have to train how to figure it out
3) Shooting up and down (angle changes things).
4) Adjusting for different ammo.
5) Adjusting for different rifles.
6) Wind, temperature, humidity.
7) Moving targets.
8) Move and shoot. ie. exercise before you hit the line.
9) Timed events after basic static events for fun
10) Team events (ie. shooter and spotter).
yada..yada..yada.
Arn't dreams fun !!!
Quote from: marrandy on August 13, 2010, 10:01:43 AM
Moving on from the success of this shoot. For many people, 6-days is too long and expensive.
We (you know that's going to Eric) had better start planning 1 or 2 day long distance shoots to build on for established 25 yard 'rifleman'.
You know what I mean.
1) Known distance 100, 200, 300, 400, 500, 600 etc. yards
2) Unknown distance - you have to train how to figure it out
3) Shooting up and down (angle changes things).
4) Adjusting for different ammo.
5) Adjusting for different rifles.
6) Wind, temperature, humidity.
7) Moving targets.
8) Move and shoot. ie. exercise before you hit the line.
9) Timed events after basic static events for fun
10) Team events (ie. shooter and spotter).
yada..yada..yada.
Arn't dreams fun !!!
I think you bring up a good point and one worth exploring. I know there are quite a few people willing to attend a full week RBC and it would likley be very full, but there are alost lots out there that cant and could benefit from a shorter version like you mention.
I know for me theres no way I could do a RBC in december this year as I just started a new job (for VERY little pay) and it would be tough to get a full week off and afford gas, lodging, good and .30 cal ammo for a full week of shooting.
Ive talked to a few appleseeders and soon to be appleseeders and these are common concerns among them all. Offering a KD, long distance shoot that was perhaps a step up from the 25 yard AQT weekend would be a fantastic idea and would probably help retain alot of appleseeders that want to take their shooting to a new level.
Quote from: Heimdhal on August 13, 2010, 09:47:19 PM
Ive talked to a few appleseeders and soon to be appleseeders and these are common concerns among them all. Offering a KD, long distance shoot that was perhaps a step up from the 25 yard AQT weekend would be a fantastic idea and would probably help retain alot of appleseeders that want to take their shooting to a new level.
Yep. Appleseed is on a roll.
I'm pretty much committed to spending the money, I don't really have, to going. Sometimes, you just have to make a decision and hope for the best. On the positive side, my wife (who is a real peach), has said go. (God I love her so much). I guess this will be a Christmas present to myself, and from my wife.
Innovation and variety is the key.
What do you do to tempt 'Rifleman' back who don't want to instruct and having done a second Appleseed and got the 'Rifleman' Again.
A more advanced Appleseed ofcourse.
I think the basic Appleseed is a base. It get's people started and to the level. We all know about the 'getting people off the couch and involved'.
But the Appleseed and Rifleman is about a challenge. People that have met the challenge, aka Rifleman, want another challenge. FD (Full Distance) plus other great stuff.
I realize the focus is on more ranges, more people through the system. But let's not forget the people that have attended.
Were they happy. If they didn't get their 'Rifleman' - why did they NOT come back.
If they got the Rifleman - why didn't they become IIT's.
If they got the Rifleman - Didn't want to be IIT's. Are they lost ? Or would a longer distance aka Advanced Appleseed, bring them back into the fold.
People that don't come back often have had a bad experience. Didn't get it. Perhaps, bad instructing. Who knows unless we actually take the time to ask, and follow-up. They may also 'bad mouth' Appleseed, putting friends and other forums off.
As an organization, we can only be pro-active, and get to the bottom of issues and fix them and learn as we go. But we have to try. Not just let people fall through the cracks.
I think we definetely need an 2-day Advanced Appleseed.
The RBC seems to be both long distance and instructor training. Take the instructor training out, I don't see why a 2-day long distance shooting wouldn't work. FireHose - Yes. As is the basic Appleseed. Isn't that already what the military teaches condensed into 2-days.
I know we can do it with the dedication and drive of our great Florida team. There is nothing that we cannot do, if we set our minds, and our hearts, to it.
How many a year. Depends on demand. One at least. No more than Four. Why max. Four ? We can't detract from the basic mission. The focus is numbers. Getting people involved. We need fully qualified instructors. We need IIT's. Its a delicate balancing act. But we can overcome, with the will, the drive, the people. Anything is possible.
I cant argue you with you one pit Marrandy; I fully agree.
Appleseed does see what we would consider an attrition rate that is too high. I think it may be part of the reason that we are seeing a slight pull back in growth this year as opposed to those past.
A weekend long full distance, or even half distance shoot would bring back all those people that qualed Rifleman and give those that havent an even bigger incentive to do so. Right now their choices are "become IIT's or keep doing 25 meter and wait for a week long full distance".
I would even venture to say that a 1-200 yard KD shoot would bring alot of shooters in and pique interest. THat would keep us from having to limit the ranges we use (since not all are actualy 500 yards) and would give rifleman some good distance shooting skills.
I would almost gah-run-tee you would see alot rifleman very interested in attending these KD Appleseed weekends and not only that but returning more readily to achived their KD Rifleman patch (doesnt have to be a different patch or anything, but it would mean a lot of difference to the shooter that got it).
Quote from: ItsanSKS on August 12, 2010, 10:59:03 PM
This venue currently has only a Facebook page, though they are working on a real-for-real website. (problems with domain names/copyright stuff) Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/rockycreekranch
Do you have an address/exact location ?
Nothing on the facebook page.
This looks like an excellent location and I am definitely on for it. Sign-up information coming soon? How about sooner? ;)
I also believe that the key to the continued success of Appleseed is the concept of continuous product improvement. Not just refining the basic program but also offering new ideas such as a 2 day advanced program and KD clinics. Of course the biggest challenge will be sufficient instructors to man them which is where we get back to our basics. The more I think about it, the more impressed I am with the premise of Appleseed: offer a fun, family friendly event with a measurable challenge, coupled with informative, entertaining and emotionally charged storytelling to motivate and inspire others. Genius!
ItsanSKS,
Went back to the edited initial post on this thread and read it all, and understand the situation. Thank you for looking out for Appleseed. There isn't anything about Appleseed that is disappointing. We all admire you for tenacity and also fine improvisation skills!
I think most shooters, experienced or green like me, will be quite overjoyed to attend an RBC just about anywhere in Florida, and think you're doing a fine job to make this available to the maximum number of people. I'm on that track, and will put in fees promptly, as I'm reading this page at least weekly. Thanks for the extra effort.
Richard, AdobeWallsOfFla
If I may comment on the proposals re short KD courses, half-disance courses, and so on. In Nerd World, I'm counsel to several kinds of emergency planners. I often find it brain-numbing, but I have to admit they do a really good job of covering things from beginning to end, and also do an excellent job of step by step planning. No steep on-ramps for the planners.
I bet a lot of new Appleseed shooters don't own long distance rifles, or feel what they've got isn't what's needed. I first met
Appleseed Project in March 2010. Attended 1.5 shoots, and I'm not certain if what I own is suitable (a bolt .30-06 scoped Ruger), it's a hunting rifle, never thought of using it for anything else. Hunters tend to accommodate wind drift and long range with lead and holdover, not sight adjustment. The move from a .22 trainer to a centerfire infantry rifle is manageable, but it's a fair sized move, magnified by recession and growing economic uncertainty for many. So with my vast experience -- it's OK, I can't hear people laughing anyway -- I would guess that shorter, more challenging events would cement shooters in the program. In my case, two days training was barely enough time. I didn't really get things down. It helped a terrific amount to take one additional day at another event. I actually understood some things I missed before, no reflection on instructors, who were doing a fine job.
Ditto on instructing, same mechanisms at work, big move for a lot of people. Or big commitment.
And besides, when any organization has an expansion drive, it always has a higher flake-out rate. Non-returns are people who tried, but they're just not quite in yet. All the above would tend to draw them back again IMPO.
There, that's worth two cents . . .
Richard, AdobeWallsOfFla
Quote from: AdobeWallsOfFla on August 15, 2010, 07:34:24 PM
Attended 1.5 shoots, and I'm not certain if what I own is suitable (a bolt .30-06 scoped Ruger)
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In my case, two days training was barely enough time.
Pretty much any centerfire rifle will shoot to 600 yards. Calibers above .223/5.56mm shoot out to a 1,000.
Its all down to demand and resources. Demand, obviously people have to fill the course. Be it 1 (every 12-months), 2 (every 6-months), 3 (every 4 months) or 4 (every 3-months). Resources is obviously instructors to man it.
Even the AR15 will get out to beyond 600 yards in trained hands, This guy has shot a custom bolt .223/5.56mm out to 1,760 yards http://www.longrangehunting.com/articles/shooting-223-mile-1.php
Remember the goal of Appleseed in the shooting area, is iron sights hitting a 20" target at 500 yards. That is what your 4MOA aka 1" at 25 yards is about and the AQT.
With 412 people shooting last year, a simple 5% interested would be 20 people. Good enough for one event.
No one is forced to progress. Its all voluntary. But some of us want to validate our 25 yard Appleseed shooting to the FD (Full Distance) of 500 yards.
I'm hoping the "Rocky Creek Range' works out. I want to go. My wife has no problems with me going. I'm just waiting for event registration to appear online.
I just understand and appreciate that 6 days is time and money many people can't afford. Instead of $340 for 6 days, a 2-day event would be about $120. Significantly more affordable.
But each to their own.
YMMV.
Oh, Ref your "In my case, two days training was barely enough time."
Appleseed condenses 5-days training into 2-days. Its called the firehose. Ask any instructors how many Appleseeds it took to get 210+ consistently.
I think even a 100 or 200 yard KD would be nice. I know that at myakka they usualy ask if anyone wants to try for the 100 yard, but thats generaly 3-4 people out of 20+. Its a good thing though and it really helps those that do it. Many are shy and want more range time before they attempt it, and thats fine too but the ones that do it always come back with a great appreciation for a non simulated distance shot and the factors that come into play (like bullet drop, etc).
100 yards is well within the abilities of even a .22 LR.
Im even for people just getting together with AQT's and the like and doing it on their own, but its hard to organize random shoots like that and I think having an appleseed level of organization and officials instructers out there would really open it up for alot of people to step and and begin shooting distance. It would also likley be smaller groups, at first anyways, which would mean a possibly slower pace and more time with experienced instructers since it would be open to Riflemen only, there wouldnt be as much pressure to stuff 5 days of instruction into 2 days. They've already got their patch, this is just helping them take another step between a 2 day and a 6 day boot camp.
i agree i think a 2 day advanced would draw rifleman to the challenge
Quoteoffering new ideas such as a 2 day advanced program and KD clinics.
We already offer these.
Two-day advanced marksmanship clinics are regularly scheduled for Instructors and interested Instructors-In-Training. Two days is barely enough time to cover the 'pertinent' information, and while there is a shared emphasis on being able to teach it, there isn't a whole lot of time spent on that subject, compared to what is done at an IBC.
We also offer the Rifleman Boot Camp, which allows shooters of any skill level to learn and practice the fundamentals of full-distance shooting, at actual distance. Shooters must still progress through the fundamentals at 25m before being taken to full distance, however.
The reason that we only offer the two-day advanced marksmanship classes to Instructors is three-fold:
- Our instructors MUST have a working knowledge of the requirements and subtleties of Known Distance shooting, in order to excel at instructing.
- Provide an incentive for 25m 'rimfire' Riflemen to step up to the challenge of becoming an IIT, joining the 'big boy club' :---
- With the time constraints we face for a two-day class, it behooves us to ensure that those attending have a proven knowledge of the fundamentals. We simply cannot take the time out of the day for remedial courses on Six Steps or NPOA.
If you have already proven your skills 'at distance' and are asking yourself "Whats Next?", the obvious answer is competition. The NRA offers many levels of competitive shooting, some at actual distance, others at reduced-range/reduced targets. If you have truly mastered the Six Steps, & NPOA, you WILL be competitive.
While Appleseed does indeed offer a most impressive marksmanship class, I feel I must remind you all of our greater purpose: Restoring this Nation to the ideals upon which it was founded; and more to the point, waking our fellow Americans up to the crises Liberty and Freedom is facing, and getting our fellow Americans active and involved.. To this point, we have determined that adding further 'levels' of marksmanship instruction does not, in a significant way, add to this mission.
Would I like to offer every Rifleman an opportunity to learn at "actual distance"? Hell Yes! Can we do that, without taking away from the main thrust of the program? Not at this time. Perhaps in the future, when we start to see Riflemen getting sworn in to public office...
QuotePerhaps in the future, when we start to see Riflemen getting sworn in to public office...
Georgia is working on that. John Monds, Libertarian candidate for Governor attended an AS this past March in Hawkinsville. Meister and I worked with him. He is a good shot and a good guy. ;D
Finally, Georgia has something on the Florida tribe.... :P
the other Jolly
The week is almost up.
How's it coming ?
Quote from: ItsanSKS on August 12, 2010, 10:59:03 PM
This venue currently has only a Facebook page, though they are working on a real-for-real website. (problems with domain names/copyright stuff) Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/rockycreekranch
I'm looking at meeting with Chris (the facility manager/co-owner) sometime this upcoming week, and will be walking away with the full details, or I won't be walking away... Need to get this baby ON THE BOOKS.
How about a Saturday evening Wild Boar Roast, or catered lunches? Scenery that looks like it has been untouched by humans for centuries... The place is amazing... You'll get a chance to see it for yourself soon enough.
As ItsanSKS is working (so am I, but have PC access), I will update. 'SKS and I went out to meet with the owner of Rocky Creek and his son last evening after work. They are some great people and the lodge is spectacular. I mean truly amazing.
So far as I can tell, this will be the nicest RBC venue in the history of the program. Even the NRA Whittington Center doesn't boast accoms like this place. The lodge proper has 8 beds / 5 baths, and there are four more beds and a bath in a room off the cavernous barn. Both the lodge and the barn are made from rough hewn logs (then polished) taken from the 1500 acre property (no that is not a misprint), and we cut and placed by the father and son about 7 years ago.
There is also a large camping area with a big covered shelter with power and another bathroom. We are working out the rates now and it looks very promising. They will likely be offering several "packages" to accommodate any budget. There will be a meal plan / three squares, plus snacks (tentative price $30/day). Beds inside the lodge - 2 to a room (tentative price $75/person). Beds inside the room off the barn - four to a room (tentative price $35/person).
There are of course hotels and a public campground in the area, but they are a good 40 minutes away and will cost nearly as much as anything at the lodge - so why bother?
This place is amazing and our prospective hosts are multi-generational residents of the area with many stories to tell. They are both very interested in paring with Appleseeds and are willing to work hard to make this RBC the best one in Appleseeds storied history.
'SKS and I came away with a great sense of excitement from our meeting (and no, it weren't just the fresh cornbread and home-made chicken stew over rice that did it) and will work out the details ASAP, so that we can get busy lining up the roster of instructors and attendees who will enjoy the opportunity that this event will provide.
I warned the owners that they may have to evict me when the RBC is over. ~~:)
That sounds great!
Please put me down for the full plan, i.e. 3 meals/day and room for two in the lodge.
I can't wait.
Let me know how, when and where to send my payment.
All of your efforts are greatly appreciated.
By the way, where is this located?
What is the address?
I tried the previously mentioned link, but I was unable to find anything.
Thank you again.
Dave
HB,
It's east of Manatee Gun club, off same road. Not too hard to find, but it takes a while to git from the mailbox to the front door - my kinda place.
'SKS and I are working to git it locked in and on the schedule. Once we do - it'll be damn the torpedoes and full steam ahead to secure a stellar line up of talent to teach it and a large group of students. We are secretly thinking that this could well be the finest RBC in program's history - I typed that out loud didn't I? ::)
Seriously, this place is great, so why not take full advantage and make this a RBC to remember!
PH
Ya know, we should probably run an Instructor's KD shoot there just to give it a test drive... O0
Quote from: ThaiFighter on August 20, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Ya know, we should probably run an Instructor's KD shoot there just to give it a test drive... O0
dad gum it! why do y'all gotta keep teasing me like this?? if i knew all this was going on, i would've put off this whole preggo thing... LOL (control freak that I am, we actually left this one up to God Almighty!)
I wish you much success with this event. 'SKS and PHenry, you guys rock and you're doing an amazing job of advancing the mission of Appleseed. Again, I am SO PROUD to be a part of this group (even if I'm on hiatus). and yeah, I s'pose Rick will want to go .... maybe i can just hang out and eat corn bread, if PHenry saves me some... **)
Quote from: reagansmom215 on August 22, 2010, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: ThaiFighter on August 20, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Ya know, we should probably run an Instructor's KD shoot there just to give it a test drive... O0
dad gum it! why do y'all gotta keep teasing me like this?? if i knew all this was going on, i would've put off this whole preggo thing... LOL (control freak that I am, we actually left this one up to God Almighty!)
I wish you much success with this event. 'SKS and PHenry, you guys rock and you're doing an amazing job of advancing the mission of Appleseed. Again, I am SO PROUD to be a part of this group (even if I'm on hiatus). and yeah, I s'pose Rick will want to go .... maybe i can just hang out and eat corn bread, if PHenry saves me some... **)
Hey, I hadnt heard. Congrats!
You can still shoot though, just sit in a chair and use a BB gun. Well adjust the targets for 25 feet. Everyone should know what a 4 moa target scales to at 24 feet, right? right? :sos:
Quote from: reagansmom215 on August 22, 2010, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: ThaiFighter on August 20, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Ya know, we should probably run an Instructor's KD shoot there just to give it a test drive... O0
dad gum it! why do y'all gotta keep teasing me like this?? if i knew all this was going on, i would've put off this whole preggo thing... LOL (control freak that I am, we actually left this one up to God Almighty!)
I wish you much success with this event. 'SKS and PHenry, you guys rock and you're doing an amazing job of advancing the mission of Appleseed. Again, I am SO PROUD to be a part of this group (even if I'm on hiatus). and yeah, I s'pose Rick will want to go .... maybe i can just hang out and eat corn bread, if PHenry saves me some... **)
...and we should all get suppressors so Reagansmom can shoot with us O0 :---
Will all those who expressed an interest in a Florida Rifleman's Boot Camp, please read the thread entitled "Rifleman's Boot Camp on Hold"?
Itsansks and PHenry have done a great job in lining up possible sites for the RBC.
We are within sniffing distance.
Read the thread and stay up-to-date on Florida RBC developments.
It looks like December 13-19 will be the dates!
It sounds like we have a great location, and I am sure that the instructors will be the creme de la creme.
Quote from: ThaiFighter on August 22, 2010, 11:13:09 AM
Quote from: reagansmom215 on August 22, 2010, 12:01:33 AM
Quote from: ThaiFighter on August 20, 2010, 07:42:44 PM
Ya know, we should probably run an Instructor's KD shoot there just to give it a test drive... O0
dad gum it! why do y'all gotta keep teasing me like this?? if i knew all this was going on, i would've put off this whole preggo thing... LOL (control freak that I am, we actually left this one up to God Almighty!)
I wish you much success with this event. 'SKS and PHenry, you guys rock and you're doing an amazing job of advancing the mission of Appleseed. Again, I am SO PROUD to be a part of this group (even if I'm on hiatus). and yeah, I s'pose Rick will want to go .... maybe i can just hang out and eat corn bread, if PHenry saves me some... **)
...and we should all get suppressors so Reagansmom can shoot with us O0 :---
^ this = win
"A few details remain to be hammered out, but I can tell you that this will be like no other RBC- it will be an all-inclusive event- food, accommodations, transportation, entertainment, the whole ball of wax.
Some of the things I CAN tell you are these: the per-person cost will be similar; the dates will remain the same (December 12-19, 2010) food will be provided (breakfast, lunch and dinner) and there will be three tiers of accommodations available- free camping, a low-cost bunk house that can sleep 8-10, and a plush lodge that can sleep 10 VERY comfortably. "
http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?topic=16530.msg135000;topicseen#msg135000
So this isn't quite correct anymore as the food is an extra $30 p/d aka $210.
It seems to read:-
Event = $200
Range fee = $20 p/d aka $140
Meals $30/d aka 210
$550 if you do free camping. more for the bunks or lodge.
Does this include taxes ?
On top of that, 1200-1500 rounds of ammunition aka $500
So we are over $1,000 plus accommodation upgrades.
I might have to change from 'attending' to 'maybe'.
As I have, effectively, had little or no work the last several months and am living on savings, its getting pretty steep for me.
I can shoot the Manatee gun 1,000 yard range every day for $23 as a non-member.
I would like to go...but there are realities and I have already spent a chunk of money on Appleseed in the last few months.
That's just the way it is, unfortunately :-(((
YMMV.
Martin,
I will likely bring a travel trailer and also have a nice tent and lots of cooking gear / coolers, etc. You are a valued instructor in the Florida chapter and if you want to go - we'll make it happen. You can camp for free, eat cheap, and use a 22 for most of the shooting. He who wears the orange hat in advance of this RBC will be given special treatment. Also, no RWVA fee for any instructors who have previously attended a paid IBC / RBC and that's you, so sounding like you are in like Flynn my friend. Better re-work that math. :)
PH
The registration form for the December RBC is now available from the main page under Rifleman Bootcamp Schedule and info 2010 and then 2010 Myakka City, FL Rifleman Boot Camp Information
It sounds like a fabulous venue, albeit not inexpensive.
Just a heads up, as you have to look for this.
Our website shows that 7 people have signed up for the RBC to be held at Rocky Creek in December.
There seemed to be great interest as evidenced by the number of responses to this thread since I first posted it in September.
I would be interested in knowing why more people are not signing up.
It would seem that the cost is a big factor in the low number of those signed up.
Today is November 4, and we have about 5 weeks to go until the RBC.
It might be helpful to those responsible for these events, if they could get feedback from those who cannot or do not want to attend.
Thank you.
Quote from: hornblower on November 04, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Our website shows that 7 people have signed up for the RBC to be held at Rocky Creek in December.
There seemed to be great interest as evidenced by the number of responses to this thread since I first posted it in September.
I would be interested in knowing why more people are not signing up.
It would seem that the cost is a big factor in the low number of those signed up.
Today is November 4, and we have about 5 weeks to go until the RBC.
It might be helpful to those responsible for these events, if they could get feedback from those who cannot or do not want to attend.
Thank you.
I would love to make it, but cost, as you mentioned is my biggest factor. I can get the time off work, thats no big deal, but the cost of the range fees + the cost of the IBC itself + lodging and meals would just put me too far over the edge. I could swing a few of those individualy, but not all of them together.
Then add in the ammount of ammo we'd go through, thats a whole other cost. End of the day, you're looking at well over $400 for the week and thats a good chunk of my weekly pay check right now. From talking privatley with others, I know a few are in a similar boat, which is why many of us were pushing for a 2 day KD appleseed for rifleman as an inbetween of the regular AS and a RBC.
Also, my only centerfire rifles either would be REALLY pushing their limits at 500 yards, or are bolt actions and that just wouldnt be any fun on the timed portions, lol. :-[
Maybe next year :---
Quote from: Heimdhal on November 04, 2010, 10:46:23 PM
Quote from: hornblower on November 04, 2010, 10:21:11 PM
Our website shows that 7 people have signed up for the RBC to be held at Rocky Creek in December.
There seemed to be great interest as evidenced by the number of responses to this thread since I first posted it in September.
I would be interested in knowing why more people are not signing up.
It would seem that the cost is a big factor in the low number of those signed up.
Today is November 4, and we have about 5 weeks to go until the RBC.
It might be helpful to those responsible for these events, if they could get feedback from those who cannot or do not want to attend.
Thank you.
I would love to make it, but cost, as you mentioned is my biggest factor. I can get the time off work, thats no big deal, but the cost of the range fees + the cost of the IBC itself + lodging and meals would just put me too far over the edge. I could swing a few of those individualy, but not all of them together.
Then add in the ammount of ammo we'd go through, thats a whole other cost. End of the day, you're looking at well over $400 for the week and thats a good chunk of my weekly pay check right now. From talking privatley with others, I know a few are in a similar boat, which is why many of us were pushing for a 2 day KD appleseed for rifleman as an inbetween of the regular AS and a RBC.
Also, my only centerfire rifles either would be REALLY pushing their limits at 500 yards, or are bolt actions and that just wouldnt be any fun on the timed portions, lol. :-[
Maybe next year :---
I have the same cost concerns as well as a problem with a week off from work that close to the holidays.
I am definitely intersted in a 2 day KD clinic and believe that I could swing attending that as long as it was held in Florida or Georgia.
theri