If everyone has not already by all means join Oath Keepers http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ (http://oathkeepers.org/oath/).
I am highly impressed with these folks and the goals are very similar and complementary. Be sure to join the Louisiana Group so you can get to know people near you. There is much interest in AS among them and Im sure the same holds true here.
Not on our watch!
I'm a member of "Oath Keepers".
I met the founder of Oath Keepers in Las Vegas by chance when chatting to some people about Appleseed. He is a really nice guy. BTW, isn't he the one the wrote the SWAT article about Appleseed?
Wish I knew if that was him. What was his response to Appleseed?
Guys,
Stewart's statement about AS has been: "The best possible program you could possibly be involved in".
I throw this out here merely because he was in Ontario, CA (Cali, not Canada) last month for a speaking engagement....I went, then afterwards they were gathering at a restaurant down the street....since I had my kitchen pass firmly in hand, I tagged along, just me in my AS shirt...... :))
While eating our meal, I was talking with an older (late 50's-60's) couple about things, and Stewart was sitting off to the wifes' side. The fellow seemed to think that AS had absolutely -nothing- to offer him about rifle marksmanship, so I shifted over to Stewart, and asked him, (dead cold) what he thought of AS. His response is what started this post...."The best possible program you could possibly be involved in".
Then he went on for another 3-4 minutes basically giving them the 411 on the program.....
It let me sit back & enjoy my meal, while watching the fellow sit lower & lower in his chair..... ^:)^ &)
Afterwards @ Dennys for dessert, he was picking my brain about what AS & OK could do to tie together more closely, since we do indeed have many joint goals.
One of the things I told him I could, & would do personally, would be to start handing out their promo material at our gun show tables.....the rest was up to him & Fred to hammer out..... 8)
Contact your state coordinators in OK to get materials to pass along to interested folks.....One of the things Stewart wants to do is to start making an AS attendance almost a "mandatory thing" for his group.....they have about another 15,000 folks than we do right now....would -that- help fill some lines @ some ranges? :o ;)
It has already started out here in Cali, we had some Bay Area OK's at the AS in Chabot....in further conversations with them, the attendees are amazed at how well we do our presentations, and can even get their wives & kids involved......Who knew?? ::) :cool2:
And yeah, Stewart did the SWAT article back from 2007....now he wants to do a new one with his son somewhere......
Could your shoot be the one he "pops by" at?
Be prepared, just like a good Boy Scout! O0
Be well, all.
LLP
Hey LayloPro, that's one of the coolest short storys I've heard in a long time! You didn't even have to open your mouth..the main man stepped in and coverd your back...waaaaayy cooool!! :cool2: Now, I don't get over to Oath Keepers much at all, but I did join to be counted. When I do go to the forum I always send invites for Appleseed. Now you have given me an idea, to pass out OK literature and Appleseed stuff at the gun shows. I haven't been to a gun show in 3 or more years,(no money) :'( but now I see a big reason to do so. I have a group of gun collectors who may let me sit with them and pass out this stuff. I got my Rifleman Patch at my first AS on Feb. 21, so I need to buy a shooting jacket, sew on my BEAUTIFUL patch and set there and tell shooters about the program. I have two friends who shoot with me who want to do this with me, so I'll have some help, and POP showed me how he does the gun shows. He tapes a REDCOAT to the wall and a piece of tape 25m from it on the floor, and shows interested people how small those targets are. He get's some good results. LayloPro, what you just told us, really got ME motivated again. ^:)^ Thanks for that post brother. :bow: BTW, my last name is Stewart. :cool2:
Hey Johnny,How you been? Enjoying your Rifleman patch? :--- Proud of you man!:bow:Are you guy's ready for April? I can't wait ^:)^ I bought a Ruger 10/22 and I will be practicing till then. I'll be passing out fliers on this end also. O0 I'll even bring some Boudin for breakfast.We'll need our strength to keep up with the instructors. &)Hope you guys are doing ok and God bless......Allen :sos:
Hey Johnny!
Out here I use the motto "Whatever works....." ;)
When we first got started in all this, they said a very important ingredient in AS was the "A.I.O." factor....."Adapt, Improvise, & Overcome"......
I can do that...... O0
The gun shows have been a great prospecting field to get the word out that AS has come to Cali, and we are still hitting about 70% of folks that have never even heard of the program..... :( :o
So we tell 'em......and the OK group is a brother organization, so it makes sense that we continue to help each other out......they will come to our shoots, and get better, and we can get more folks for them, that are now awake to the concern that we need to be the guardians of the Constitution, because it's our watch.......when the kids are old enough, we turn it over to them, and they will -know- they have a duty to defend it in the same way we do......
Work the gun shows you guys have out there, you'll be amazed at the folks that you will come in contact with.....some whom have never even heard -any- of the story of 4/19/75.....You will be the hero telling them about these things, just to get their interest up to come "check out this Appleseed thing".....and they will thank you for it later.
Be well, brother. Stay motivated. Take care.
LLP
Oath Keepers is much more difficult to promote to active duty LEO and much easier for active military. Most of the young military guys I run into are very open to the program while LEO tend to be more cautious. Its understandable though as most LEO are older and supporting families while of course hearing the govt "take" on OK which is completely false. Then of course I dont really "look" like the upstanding citizen I really am, promise I really am ::)
AS on the other hand just works into almost any conversation at the range or anywhere really. So since we offer free shoots to LEO I talk to em about AS and get much better responses. Seems some first learned to shoot from rifle training classes Police and Sheriffs used to offer to kids a while back before the world took such a left turn. By that time I have kind of a feel about how they may feel about OK. While both programs are extremely important OK carries with it some seriousness especially after Katrina.
I haven't been as active as I wish lately seems every spring anything that can go wrong does but that's why its a group effort. Still shoot my ratty old AK whenever I can and hope to be able to afford the 308 ammo to shoot it more often. Uncle Sam just keeps the price of that stuff high for good brass and it doesn't help that they sell the used brass as scrap now.
Quote from: Rhodes on April 08, 2010, 04:58:50 AM
So since we offer free shoots to LEO...
FYI, that is not official policy. Under 21, women, active military/guard/reserve are the only blanket free shooters, oh,
Revolutionary War reenactors in full dress also shoot free.
State coordinators and shoot bosses have discretion to comp anyone
if it is in the interests of the program. This means targetted individuals who would be shakers and movers for the program, the local Sheriff, mayor, representative, etc, not blanket passes for groups.
Cheers
Phil "V"
Thanks for clearing that up for me. So that apply to ladies and kids also?
Quote from: Rhodes on April 11, 2010, 08:29:21 PM
Thanks for clearing that up for me. So that apply to ladies and kids also?
I'm sorry, my irony, smiliey detector is not working. Does what apply to ladies and kids? If ladies are women and kids are under 21 then they shoot free, as does active military, guard and reserve of any gender/age.
:)
Oath Keepers is a good organization, but the 501(c)(3) may cause them some grief someday. I hope not. But in the meantime the mission is well worth advancing.
My wife and I are both members..Oath-Keepers is a great organization and I'm tickled Stewart is on-board.....O.L.
P.S. I am a member of OK's in Beauregard Parish. I have a page in the Louisiana OK site. Come for a visit.
Quote from: V on April 08, 2010, 12:43:21 PM
Quote from: Rhodes on April 08, 2010, 04:58:50 AM
So since we offer free shoots to LEO...
FYI, that is not official policy. Under 21, women, active military/guard/reserve are the only blanket free shooters, oh, Revolutionary War reenactors in full dress also shoot free.
When did we stop comping elected officials?