Alright 10/22 guys.
You generated 42 pages of post about your favorite.
Start generating some mail to Ruger telling them about Appleseed.
each postcard will take less time than another post in your exceedingly long winded and many headed
10/22 LTR thread.
Send this
Dear Ruger,
I use the 10/22 for Appleseed,
Why don't you make an Appleseed model
with a good mag release, good bolt release,Tech Sights,
GI web Sling and 3 spare mags.
Help support Appleseed, we support you.
http;//www.appleseedinfo.org
Sincerely,
(your name)
Sam
DONE! I didn't use a postcard. I used the comments/requests email from Rugers website.
just sent this e-mail to Ruger. Postcard to follow.
I am a proud owner of several of your products. I recently bought 2 10/22 rifles to be used for the Appleseed Project. Why don't you make an Appleseed model with a good mag release, good bolt release, Tech Sights, GI web Sling and spare mags. They even recommend using the 10/22. The forums on their website http://www.appleseedinfo.org have 47 pages of posts dedicated to customizing the 10/22 for Appleseed. Thank you for your response.
Good on ya.
BTW a postcard has better effect.
They know it cost you, and they have the factor of having to spend real time handling it.
Sam
How about including a "Learn to Shoot your new 10/22 at an Appleseed" flyer in the box of every 10/22 sold?
That won't require engineering changes/contract negotiations/testing/etc. - simply the addition of a sheet of paper to the packing BOM.
I'll save you all a google - the address of Ruger corporate hq is:
Sturm, Ruger & Co., Inc.
Lacey Place
Southport, CT 06890
Based on my experience with Ruger, it will be falling on deaf ears. They sell hundreds of thousands of 10/22s every year (maybe millions!), and they couldn't care less about how they are used. :-\
Having said that, I'm putting a copy of the SWAT reprint in with every 10/22 I see go out the door (as well as any other autoloading rifle we sell), and talk up the RWVA and Appleseed program whenever I can. Also, I'm working with our department manager about setting up an 'LTR' package on 10/22s and getting some standardized pricing down so all Gander Gunsmith shops can make them, and, hopefully, at a reasonable cost.
More to follow as it develops.
Byrdman
QuoteThey sell hundreds of thousands of 10/22s every year (maybe millions!), and they couldn't care less about how they are used.
No they do not care about how they are used. They do care about what sells them.
Don't sweat it.
If you won't tell them, that's fine,
someone else will take up the slack.
Sam
Well the marlin thread is at 12 pages, 1/4 of the 10/22 thread.
I've seen about one marlin for every ten 10/22's on the firing line. That's probably keeping the marlin thread short. If their numbers ever go up the thread will grow, unless it's locked. But that might make new folks think someone here doesn't like/approve of marlins and that might turn them off about buying one or shooting one at an Appleseed. Got to be careful of people's feelings. You never know what might upset them.
When it comes right down to it. Anyone could write Ruger and "tell" them they've got a 10/22 and shoot it at Appleseeds. Seems I've heard folks say telling the story is more important that getting the facts right.
You fail to get the point of my post
The idea IS to STOP yack, yack ,yack on the board and start yack, yack, yack in the manufacturers collective ear for the betterment of the program and the country .
usted entiende?
FF Implement new board system soonest
No! You fail to see my interests or to care. And that's fine. I don't care if you do or not. And I won't even bold or capitilze my post to shout at you since you've already had your mind made up for you. Information doesn't sway the preconvinced mind.
An Appleseed without working rifles would not longer be an Appleseed and many of the folks who show up no (maybe most) wouldn't show up. While not everything in the 10/22 thread is about how to make them work better most of it is. I learned some things from that thread and I'll bet other folks here did, too. I think I might even have helped some folks here with info I put in that thread (but that's up to them to decide.)
Is every idea posted here great? Nope. But every seed planted doesn't grow and you have to keep working in the garden and nurturing them to get them to grow. Planting them and walking away to let them struggle along on their own usually ends up as a failure.
If you keep deciding what are weeds and what are fruit and chopping out what you think is weeds you gonna miss some good points and run off some good people.
But we've proven on more than one occassion here that the only people many are interested in are the ones who shut up, toe the line and don't ask uncomfortable questions or make uncormfortable points.
delete my post, it won't be the first time I said something here that FF or Fred didn't like. I already know that being open and honest is not allowed if it disagrees with the people who run the program.
You know, I was gonna type up another post to add some things I'd thought about since the one above but coming back to read it again I don't think I need to.
I'm still here to help folks, whether it's at the range or on the forum when they have questions about their rifle, their ammo, their technique, etc. Sorry if helping the new folks who ask questions is an issue here these days. But I just can't seem to stop doing it on my own. I think I'm addicted.
Quote from: MCKNBRD on August 09, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
Also, I'm working with our department manager about setting up an 'LTR' package on 10/22s and getting some standardized pricing down so all Gander Gunsmith shops can make them, and, hopefully, at a reasonable cost.
More to follow as it develops.
Byrdman
That's a great idea. I don't think that building LTR's works well necessarily on the assembly line, but a retailer could get some additional business if he had the staff to build them.
New 10/22's come with the extended mag release, that certainly helps. Even without the bolt release and with the factory 8lb trigger, good groups are possible. Add the Tech Sights, 1-1/4 inch swivels and sell a GI sling and the customer is done.
At this point, I believe that even the Tech Sights should be an option.
Quote from: SamD on August 09, 2009, 11:12:44 AM
You fail to get the point of my post
The idea IS to STOP yack, yack ,yack on the board and start yack, yack, yack in the manufacturers collective ear for the betterment of the program and the country .
usted entiende?
FF Implement new board system soonest
Actually, Sam, you fail to see the forest for the trees. There are many of us out here that Appleseed because we like to help an organization that seems to be trying to do good, when we have time and resources. Then we get berated for 'not doing enough' when we're doing something. If you think that a postcard to Ruger would be better than contacting my distributor rep and seeing about a special edition being commissioned by them, let me know. I'll get the postcard in the mail tomorrow.
You might be grabbing buckets, but someone else (that isn't a stand-on-the-street-corner-and-yell-at-everyone zealot) might just have a damage control kit with a plug.
Your call.
Byrdman
OK folks.
Excuse me for bothering.
None of you so far has gotten the point of the thread that I was trying to get across.
I won't belabor you wit it any more.
Sam
Yeah, if we all do the same thing we'll all get the same result. I think what mcknbyrd is doing is great. He's reaching out to everyone who buys a potential Appleseed rifle from his store. Who else is making that kind of contact with someone already interested in shooting a rifle?
Multple approaches, small or large, will touch more different kinds of folks. That's one of the things we've struggle with, how to contact more people and get them interested. Sam is trying a different track.
As for corporations? They only worry about money. Now if we could convince Ruger that no one would buy anymore 10/22's unless they had Tech sights, 1&1/4" sling swivels and sling and Appleseed sign up sheets in them they'd jump right on the band wagon. Until they see a change in the bottom line they'll just keep doing what they've been doing as long as it's making them money.
Quote from: SamD on August 09, 2009, 03:06:51 PM
OK folks.
Excuse me for bothering.
None of you so far has gotten the point of the thread that I was trying to get across.
I won't belabor you wit it any more.
Sam
Seems to me that the point of your post was to say unless you do it my way, you're wasting your time".
So, no, I don't think I missed your point.
My point (albeit an apparently misguided one), is that there are other ways to make it happen and someone (in this case, me) might have a method that could stand a chance of working.
Nice passive-aggressive post, by the way. You gonna go pout in the corner now, too? ::)
I'll keep doing what I can, when I can. If its not enough, so be it. Let me know where to send my orange hat. O0
Hey guys, none of us need to quit. All us little guys are still contributing in our own way. Doing it different is a good thing.
Once again we see where folks are trying to do something good and getting what they perceive as a hard time or criticism for it. We're all different. Let's just let folks who are contributing in their own way continue and if we feel the need to try something their doing that's fine, if not, that should be fine, too.
Maybe I should follow my own advice here - anything not particularly constructive or in some way "calling someone out" over their posts might best be done by PMs. Then again, PMs from some folks might just be ignored, but if that happens both parties should learn not to cross swords (rifles?) over disagreements on how to contribute to the program.
After all, any method of contributing is better than sitting on the couch. No need to tear down/belittle someone else's attempts to contribute.
I just did a littel checking. Ruger has facilites in Prescott, AZ (how close is that to you Sam?), Southport, CT and Newport, NH.
Maybe folks in/near those locations could contact/visit those sites and share the Appleseed literature and even invite some of the Ruger folks to Appleseeds near those locations. Would it be worth it to let a few of them attend and Appleseed (or two) for free to try to show them how important it is and how many of their rifles are used by Appleseeders? Anymore is seems to me (at the few Appleseeds I work) that there are more 10/22's than anything else, but very few unmodified 10/22's.
Just another idea for folks closer to those facilities to consider. Face to face beats a post card (or so it seems to me).
Good points, Old Dog. Sorry for getting out of whack. ++)
I'll see if I can get hold of a couple of our distributors and find out what they look for when doing 'special editions' and start gathering that info.
Realistically, an LTR package should have click adjustable sights, sling & swivels, a better bolt release, and 2 magazines. No reason that stuff can't be built into them from the factory; they already have different sights, various stocks, and they've added the new extended mag release. The only real hangup might be the bolt release...I'll see what I can do on my end.
Byrdman
received this response via e-mail today from Ruger:
Response:
We do special orders for distributors only. Your request will be forwarded to our Marketing Department.
If you need further information, please visit our website at www.ruger.com or contact us at:
Revolvers, shotguns, rifles, 10/22 Charger Pistol: (603) 865-2442
Pistols: (928) 778-6555
Serial Number History Information: (603) 865-2424
Now I'll wait and see if I get a response from the postcard, or a response from the Marketing Dapartment.
Read this post late last night. Went to bed pondering just what was going on here??? I see many a good Appleseeder doing what they can to inspire others to get the word out. And somewhere along the way it became personal. :'(
I've read many posts from all you folks that have posted here. Respect each and every one of you. Do I necessarily agree with EVERYTHING ya'all ever posted? No, but I have learned a little something from each and everyone of you! And feel I'm a better American and better Appleseed instructor as a result of "knowing" the lot of you.
My take:
The passion you all feel is electrifing!!! If not for where this thread sank to, Fred would be dancing in the isles. Dedicated Appleseeders brainstorming on ways to improve the organization, reach the Mfg, and make the tools more user friendly. Instead, shots are being traded, unwarrented shots. You all are vital to our organization.
Sam would like to have seen the effort of 42 pages of 10/22 discussion aimed at Ruger Mfg. Ruger doesn't necessarily read our boards. His view is post cards work cause they're hand written and not lost in junk e-mail.
O.D. and MCKBRD want to take a diferent approach. Contacting regional reps verbally and in person and getting in their ears and faces.
Somewhere, the original intent was lost in the fog of "what works best". Guys, pull out an atlas (yeah, I still use one. Friggin' dinosaur I know, but no GPS yet). How many ways can you drive from point "A" to point "B"? Right! One may be all interstate, shorter, quicker, more direct, less construction, etc. Point is...all roads get you there.
Remember SOMSOM? The goal we all strive for? Or we wouldn't even be on this board? The sinking ship?
Now I hope you all intend on being at the shin-dig Independence Day 2010. Hopefully by then, this will be nothing more than campfire chatter. If it isn't smoothed over by then....Well I'll have to get the Illinois, Wisconsin, and Missouri contingent (and any more help we might need) and make ya'all kiss and make up right there!! ;D
Keep the passion. Keep the faith. Keep on 'Seedin.
Respectfully,
EEL
Thank you, EEL
you wrote what I was thinking last night
glad you were able to put it into sensible calm words
TAZ
Discussions like this are best left alone by outside parties. Without wood for fuel, a fire dies down.
Quote from: Talon on August 10, 2009, 12:08:42 PM
Discussions like this are best left alone by outside parties. Without wood for fuel, a fire dies down.
Good point! Maybe this thread should be moved or locked.
Let's keep it civil here.
Sam, you make some good points.
But (and I'll say this openly, so others don't follow the same path), bashing people to get them motivated gets poor results.
It's a worthy effort, I doubt I'll partake. To sum that up, I beat all of you to the punch, by a couple of years, and I didn't much care for the response I got. It wasn't a postcard, it was a phone call, backed up by an e-mail, to a Ruger Senior VP.
Marlin is owned by the same company as Remington, and has a much better track record of paying attention to the consumer.
Now, some folks will, and other won't, partake. I'll accept that.
An idea was mentioned about inviting Ruger or Marlin (or other companies like Savage) representatives to an Appleseed. I'll be there would be no problem with them being freebies, if it doesn't get out of hand. (Hint, check first.)
OK, just to show that I'm not all smoke and no fire...this is the email I just fired out to a Marketing VP at a major firearms/shooting supplies distributor that has done many 'Distributor Exclusives' with Ruger:
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Mr. Massimo, my name is Craig Byrd, and I'm an instructor with the Revolutionary
War Veteran's Association's 'Appleseed' project. Our goal is to teach American
History and Heritage, especially the history around our War of Independence from
England and the first shots fired on April 19th, 1775. We use marksmanship
instruction as a primary vehicle to get folks out to hear the message of our
founders and what they went through, hoping to make our shooters more aware of
their heritage and the responsibility that comes along with the freedoms we
enjoy.
This morning, I used our corporate contact number (I work for Gander Mountain to
finance my shooting addiction!) and spoke with Chris Heurung about this; he
mentioned that he had heard of Appleseed and was considering attending one and
seemed energized to help me get the answers I needed. He spoke with one of the
buyers, who mentioned that you would probably be a better contact, so I'm hoping
that I can get some help from Davidson's with an idea for a 'special edition'
rifle for our shooters.
Having said all that, I'd like to find out what it takes to justify a
'Distributor Exclusive' or 'Special Edition' 10/22 from Ruger. One of the
primary 'tools' we use on the line are .22LR rifles. We do over 80% of our
instruction at the 25yd line, and everything you do right (or wrong!) at 25yds
is magnified on the long distance (sometimes out to 500yds) range. Our
standards for qualification are simple: 4moa capable rifles that can be reloaded
rapidly. Our course of fire isn't complex; it was designed around Garands and
M1903 Springfields. Ruger 10/22s already make up 70%+ of the .22s we see on the
line at any given Appleseed event; they are EXCELLENT for our needs and serve
many shooters well. But, like any rifle, there are certain 'tweaks' that make
them easier to use for the Appleseeder. I can go into detail on what makes the
Appleseed 'Liberty Training Rifle' (LTR, as we call it) different than a
box-stock 10/22 (I'll send you a presentation outlining what we do to them and
why), but I'd like to find out from you what Davidson's would need to justify
sending the 'order' to Ruger for them.
I look forward to hearing from you and helping to explain Appleseed to you. It
would be great to get a 10/22LTR from Ruger that, out of the box, is ready to
take to an Appleseed and help a shooter become a Rifleman and start down the
path towards being a well-informed American.
More Appleseed info can be found at www.appleseedinfo.org or www.rwva.org
Thanks for your time, and I'll be building a presentation to send you ASAP that
covers the basic modifications to a 10/22 that makes it into an LTR.
Craig Byrd
Rifleman
I'll keep ya'll posted on what I hear back. Gonna go get some pics and start building a powerpoint...
Byrdman
Great email Mcknbrd.
Thanks SamD for starting this thread and getting us thinking about this! O0
It may have taken a different turn, but at least you put the car in Drive.
-Deacon
MCKNBYRD,
Great letter. I've also sent out a postcard, but since you have an in with a rep at Ruger, I'll mention to you what I put in my card. A special edition Ruger for a specific purpose is not unprecedented. Last year they made a few tweaks on the new model Vaquero specificaly for Cowboy Mounted Shooting and called it the Montado. The last time i looked, at membership numbers, CMSA had about 4,000 members, and from my experience at events, maybe 1/3 of them were shooting Rugers. Appleseed has the potential to sell many more units. Maybe this can help.
Guy
Quote from: CaptG on August 11, 2009, 11:30:52 PM
MCKNBYRD,
Great letter. I've also sent out a postcard, but since you have an in with a rep at Ruger, I'll mention to you what I put in my card. A special edition Ruger for a specific purpose is not unprecedented. Last year they made a few tweaks on the new model Vaquero specificaly for Cowboy Mounted Shooting and called it the Montado. The last time i looked, at membership numbers, CMSA had about 4,000 members, and from my experience at events, maybe 1/3 of them were shooting Rugers. Appleseed has the potential to sell many more units. Maybe this can help.
Guy
Yeah, we had a customer come in and ask us to order 2 Montados for him; thats how I learned about our 'chain' at Davidson's. Believe it or not,
Ruger didn't change their line processes for the Montado on their own...it is a Davidson's exclusive, commissioned by Davidson's so they could have a 'leg up' on all the other Vaquero distributors.
Hence my trying to leverage contacts with Davidson's, as they are well known for special editions...
We'll see where it goes.
Byrdman
Quote from: MCKNBRD on August 12, 2009, 12:33:38 AM
Yeah, we had a customer come in and ask us to order 2 Montados for him; thats how I learned about our 'chain' at Davidson's. Believe it or not, Ruger didn't change their line processes for the Montado on their own...it is a Davidson's exclusive, commissioned by Davidson's so they could have a 'leg up' on all the other Vaquero distributors.
Hence my trying to leverage contacts with Davidson's, as they are well known for special editions...
We'll see where it goes.
Byrdman
The conversation I had with a Ruger VP amounted to the same thing.
They will NOT make up something on their own, but will for a districutor, if the distributor buys enough of them.
Davidson's would be a good place to start on this.
I firmly agree that talking to distributors is the place to start. They have special runs made up all the time. Here is the message I sent to Davidson's (comments@galleryofguns.com). I will see if I can send messages to other distributors.
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To whom it may concern,
I am an NRA certified firearms instructor and assistant instructor for the Appleseed Project. (http://www.appleseedinfo.org/).
The Appleseed Project teaches American history, firearms safety, and rifle marksmanship. This is typically done with inexpensive semi-automatic .22 rifles at 25-meter ranges.
The rifles recommended are usually Ruger 10/22s or Marlin 795s with some moderate improvements. The main improvements are:
-- Tech-Sights for a much better sight picture and easy & repeatable adjustment. http://www.tech-sights.com/
-- A GI web sling (requiring 1 1/4" swivels, preferably not attached to a barrelband) which can be 'looped' for steadiness while shooting.
-- At least 4 10-round magazines (I suggest the clear ones in the case of the Ruger rifle).
If you could have Ruger or Marlin make up an order of rifles like this, I am sure that the thousands of Appleseed participants would buy them up. I myself would buy up several, use them regularly in courses of instruction, and tell people where I got them.
Sincerely,
Carl Soderstrom
Here are the distributors whom I have contacted. No harm in other people contacting them as well. If they hear a clamor from several people, that may get them inclined to order a thousand 10/22s or 795s with tech-sights (or whatever the minimum order is).
Zanders Sporting Goods
http://gzanders.com/
sales-support@gzanders.com
Camfour
http://www.camfour.com/
http://www.camfour.com/salesstaff.htm
They only seem to want to hear from FFL holders... somewhat understandable.
Lipsey's
http://www.lipseys.com/
caillier@lipseys.com -- National Sales Manager
Lew Horton
http://www.lewhorton.com/
questions@lewhorton.com
SGC USA
https://sgcusa.com/
info@sgcusa.com
Valor Corp
http://www.valorcorp.com
sales@valorcorp.com
AcuSport
http://www.acusport.com/AcuSportWeb/ContactUs.asp
nesales@acusport.com
RSR Group
http://www.rsrgroup.com
salesny@rsrgroup.com
Sports South
http://www.internetguncatalog.com/
incoming.sales@sportssouthinc.com
Ellett Brothers
http://www.ellettbrothers.com/ContactUs.asp
I used the comments/requests email from Rugers website
OK, I just realized that I haven't posted my Powerpoint presentation that I sent to Davidson's... ++)
See attached. If you want to use it, feel free to do so. Just hold off sending it to another distributor until I hear something from Davidson's, one way or another. I've got a contact at Sports South, too, so I'd like to give them 2nd rights if Davidson's balks.
I just hope they bite...
Byrdman
getting manufacturers or distributors to produce special editions would probably not be that effective, as most of the people who would buy them are those who already know about appleseed and want to buy a rifle to shoot with us... plus, it is a lot to ask of mfg./dist.
However, just getting them to include a brochure on Appleseed and maybe a parts recipe for making an LTR is a great idea. This would reach everyone who buys one of the rifles (even the basic model), and it would be very do-able for either manufacturers or distributors, due to the low cost and ease of just printing up flyers and inserting them in the box. Propose it to them like you propose anything to anybody -- by telling them what's in it for them (getting more people interested in shooting, promoting a discipline in which their product is a popular choice, plus the low cost/burden on their end). I'll have to talk to some stores in my area (Bass Pro, Academy, etc.) and bring the idea up with them. It would be especially tempting for them if we would print up the fliers oursleves... all they would have to do is stick them in the box.
Quote from: MCKNBRD on August 13, 2009, 11:59:29 PM
OK, I just realized that I haven't posted my Powerpoint presentation that I sent to Davidson's... ++)
See attached. If you want to use it, feel free to do so. Just hold off sending it to another distributor until I hear something from Davidson's, one way or another. I've got a contact at Sports South, too, so I'd like to give them 2nd rights if Davidson's balks.
I just hope they bite...
Byrdman
OK, Byrdman!
This is some very fine work and some good information!
This approach, your PowerPoint presentation and the resulting tangents which will result from your effort on this PP presentation need their own thread and topic, perhaps several.
Might I ask that you post your PP presentation and some suggested ideas on how to expand the use of this one and others similar for the Appleseed program on the WL1 board? I set up a board just for Power Point Presentations, your's can be the the first O0 http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0)
What say you?
Quote from: henschman on August 17, 2009, 03:20:18 PM
getting manufacturers or distributors to produce special editions would probably not be that effective, as most of the people who would buy them are those who already know about appleseed and want to buy a rifle to shoot with us... plus, it is a lot to ask of mfg./dist.
However, just getting them to include a brochure on Appleseed and maybe a parts recipe for making an LTR is a great idea. This would reach everyone who buys one of the rifles (even the basic model), and it would be very do-able for either manufacturers or distributors, due to the low cost and ease of just printing up flyers and inserting them in the box. Propose it to them like you propose anything to anybody -- by telling them what's in it for them (getting more people interested in shooting, promoting a discipline in which their product is a popular choice, plus the low cost/burden on their end). I'll have to talk to some stores in my area (Bass Pro, Academy, etc.) and bring the idea up with them. It would be especially tempting for them if we would print up the fliers oursleves... all they would have to do is stick them in the box.
Sir, you are on to a very important topic here! O0
If we can pull this off, not just with rifle manufacturers, but with many different distributors and companies, it would be a huge boost to the Appleseed effort. In fact, could easily eclipse the current "biggest promotional effort" we have, which is word of mouth.
However, we have NO ORGANIZED EFFORT to try to make this happen. In fact, we have no effort what so ever, outside of the occasional mention of it by folks like yourself. Much like them, this post of yours will fade away in the mess of this forum, never to be addressed again, and a month or so down the road, someone will make a similar suggestion......only to have it fade away, like the other hundred before it.....
What can we do to keep this from happening?
First, this idea needs to get off of this thread, and on to it's own thread. But where?
We have Two new "Working Levels" 1 and 2. WL1 would be an ideal place for folks to discuss and implement this idea. WL2 would be an ideal place for the leader (leaders?) of this effort to plan a strategy and to coordinate the actual contact with the distributors and companies.
We may not want just anyone making the contact with the companies. Perhaps those who understand the Appleseed Program and can answer detailed questions on the spot. Perhaps those who have been involved in the program for a while and can draw on some of their experiences. Perhaps someone on the IIT3 level or above, who is willing to try to see this effort through to become an actual effort within the program? ::) ;)
Perhaps on a board such as this one http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=246.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=246.0) on the WL1 level, we can start to see this great idea and effort become a reality here at Appleseed, and we can draw some fellow Appleseeders into this effort?
Let me know if you wish to develop this further ^-^
I loved the PP presentation and FF's idea of how to make this a great PR idea for AS. However, even though I have been the SB at 9 events this year so far, and did sign up to help promote AS, as a WL 1, the link FF posted is off limits to me.
Houston, we have a problem!
Quote from: funfaler on August 17, 2009, 05:33:30 PM
OK, Byrdman!
This is some very fine work and some good information!
This approach, your PowerPoint presentation and the resulting tangents which will result from your effort on this PP presentation need their own thread and topic, perhaps several.
Might I ask that you post your PP presentation and some suggested ideas on how to expand the use of this one and others similar for the Appleseed program on the WL1 board? I set up a board just for Power Point Presentations, your's can be the the first O0 http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0 (http://appleseedinfo.org/smf/index.php?board=245.0)
What say you?
I say I'd love to do it. But, the realities of life have dictated that I need to focus my productive time elsewhere for a little while. My wife just gave birth to our second son, and 95% of my time will be spent supporting her, him, and our oldest, whether that means cleaning up around the house, changing diapers, anything else they need, and/or work to pay for it all.
I'll gladly build any presentation ya'll need, even if its just based on an outline of ideas. I don't have access to the board you're referencing, and I don't think I'll be bumping up to an IIT3 any time soon, so just have someone PM me or email me at mckngbrd@carolina.rr.com and I'll sit in the background and do stuff when I can. Appleseed is great, but it pales in comparison to our new arrival and the awesome woman that brought him into our lives. They have the priority right now.
Byrdman
WHEN our program doubles enough times, we'll have a Dedicated Appleseed Distributor!
Our numbers will be so vast, they will have no choice but to listen to us.
Little Ruger Trivia:
Had an interview last winter with Ruger in New Hampshire.
That's where they make all the rifles.
Their production numbers blew me away.
THEY ASSEMBLE AND SHIP 1100 10/22s EVERY DAY !!!
I got the plant tour and talked shop with a few folks in management.
There was a lengthy bio in my resume about Appleseed and our extensive use of 10/22s.
They seemed to be only half-listening, though.
Keep up the good work, folks!
sk
I have talked with the President, and CEO of Ruger, as well as the Sales Manager for this area...I gave them a good deal of literature, plus a disk of pictures from our shoot in Puryer...They will produce a rifle for us...without changing the trigger group or bolt...BUT we have to find someone to sell them...They need someone to buy 1000 rifles before they can be produced...this should be one of their distributors...
Honestly, I was not too impressed with their reactions...but money does talk..
Send your mail to Milt Pittman, Sales Manager...It might help..I have made this a personal project of mine..It might take years to get them to listen, but it can be done...D-451
Quote from: Determined451 on October 17, 2009, 06:03:42 PM
I have talked with the President, and CEO of Ruger, as well as the Sales Manager for this area....They will produce a rifle for us...BUT we have to find someone to sell them...They need someone to buy 1000 rifles before they can be produced...but money does talk..
Have they indicated what the rifle would cost/unit in a 1,000 rifle run? Would they consider release through individual FFL holders, rather than distributors? Appleseed should have enough FFLs, and interested buyers in the 50 states to make up the 1,000 minimum order,
why not approach it that way?
If there is enough interest to get a 1,500 or 2,000 rifle run, what are the price breaks at these increments?
Bottom line aside from price is,
will they deal with individual FFLs rather than distributors on a garunteed run?
desertrat144