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Title: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: CetmeManNH on May 26, 2009, 11:46:32 AM
I have a CZ 452 Lux that is proving to be a very accurate rifle.  I am considering adding it to the LTR collection I have now, but am nagged by the safety design.  I searched for references to CZ 452's here in the forum, and found a passing reference under LTR's.
As I have experienced it, the safety locks the bolt closed on this model rifle.  Additionally, the safety cannot be applied with the bolt open.  The handle rotates as the bolt is opened, and the safeety cannot be engaged with the bolt parts aligned in such a manner.
Has anyone had one show up on their line?  Is removing the bolt an acceptable alternative?  I don't normally like alternatives.  To my military mind some comfort can be found in consistant application of standards, however I am flexible enough to adapt, improvise and overcome.
Opinions? Did I miss something on this rifle?
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: Old Dog on May 26, 2009, 11:58:27 AM
My M1917 Enfields safeties work the same way.

No problem.  That rifle is safe and grounded when it is unloaded (mag removed if the mag is removable or internal magazine empty if it's like my M1917's), the bolt is back, the chamber flag is in the chamber to show there is no round there and the rifle is down on the mat/rug/ground with no one touching it.

Rifles are like people, different.  We have to adapt to use them.

Not all rifles are designed to allow the bolt to be locked back, the safety on, the chamber flag in and the rifle grounded without being touched.

BUT, all rifles can have the bolt back (even if not locked), an empty chamber with the chamber flag inserted and be on the ground without being touched.

Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: CetmeManNH on May 26, 2009, 09:00:08 PM
Well actually, my four 1917's can have the safety applied with the bolt open.  It just becomes necessary to remove the safety prior to closing the bolt.
The 452 does have a detachable box mag, so that's all good.
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: Old Dog on May 26, 2009, 09:49:37 PM
Yup, just get in the habit of putting that safety on when the bolt's back and open.  It'll really slow you down when you get ready to shoot it and it won't go bang. 

It comes so close to closing you might not notice under stress, that it's almost closed, but not quite.  'Course it is a little harder to push forward, but again, under stress you might not notice.

Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: Nickle on May 26, 2009, 10:21:54 PM
Mosin-Nagant's, Carcano's and some other rifles can't hve the safety on and the bolt open.

Bolt Open, chamber (and mag) empty and flag in is good enough.
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: gunville on May 27, 2009, 12:30:08 AM
My pet peeve with the Mosin Nagant is the "safety" - I credit half the Red Army casualties as self inflicted, attempting to use the Mosin safety in the cold of Russian winter. (Actually I don't think they ever used them.)

With the Mosin, it's easier to remove the bolt - actually easier than working the safety.

(The more challenging for the firing line would be the AK47's - no BHO, unless you carve one out of the safety handle. Plus, it's black, so you know it's a scary assault rifle.)

CZ452 - now that's one fine LTR; if you find you don't like the safety I'll even-trade my 10/22 for it.... ;)
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: CetmeManNH on May 28, 2009, 02:26:17 PM
I think I can tough it out, that safety and all.  I wouldn't wanna unfairly impose such a troublesome feature on you, especially if you were trading away one of them there fancy Ruger 10-22's.  And the other fellas might pick on you and laugh at your hogbacked stock.  What kinda Red White and Blue American shoots a stock such as that???

Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: wildman on May 28, 2009, 03:03:55 PM
Many bolt actions with the safety being part of the bolt instead of the trigger operate the same way, with the rifle grounded, bolt back, and mag out/chamber empty, and chamber flag in you have a very safe rifle. How much safer do you need? Lets not make problems where none exists.

I also have a CZ452 the most accurate out of the box rim fire I have had the pleasure to use. Congratulations on you 452 given quality ammo you should do very well.
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: gunville on May 28, 2009, 10:56:53 PM
Quote from: CetmeManNH on May 28, 2009, 02:26:17 PM
I think I can tough it out, that safety and all.  I wouldn't wanna unfairly impose such a troublesome feature on you, especially if you were trading away one of them there fancy Ruger 10-22's.  And the other fellas might pick on you and laugh at your hogbacked stock.  What kinda Red White and Blue American shoots a stock such as that???

Yeah, you're so kind - besides - I would never get a decent cheek weld that rifle - what with the grin that would be on my face everytime I picked it up... ;D @)
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: CetmeManNH on May 28, 2009, 11:12:35 PM
I'm always trying to help a fellow AS-er out.  Wouldn't want to hear what kinda excuses you'd have to invent to cover that.
Title: Re: CZ 452 Bolt Locked via Safety
Post by: fepowered on June 16, 2009, 03:29:45 PM
We take the different rifle configurations into consideration when we clear the line.  Some rifles do not come with any safety button or lever.  Not all semi-autos have a bolt hold back.   What all rifles do have is a chamber.  Your responsibility as a shooter is to ensure that your chamber is empty and that the chamber flag is inserted INTO the chamber.  There really are no acceptable excuses in this matter.   Shoving a short flag in front of the bolt without anything actually being inserted into the chamber is not acceptable.  This is how live rounds get missed and we could end up with NDs during the prep period or worse.  Anyone having problems can get the attention of the acting Safety Officers clearing the line and they will be happy to help you out.  Safety is everyone's responsibiity and we have to look out for each other.... O0