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Title: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Omnaria on September 17, 2025, 02:47:40 AM
Rifle
CZ 457 Lux in .22 LR
NcSTAR 3-9x40E
CCI SV

Previous experience
One 3 hour pistol class
20-30 informal range trips, mostly shooting C&R rifles bench rested between 25 and 100 yards

I signed up for the class with my dad, who unfortunately needed to make the trip back on Sunday. We signed up for a class in Piru earlier this year, but that was cancelled last minute due to low attendance.

I heard that making the AQT is a lot easier with a semi auto, but I decided to go with what I had since I didn't really care about ending with a patch, I didn't feel the need for another gun, and I find bolt actions fun to use.

I brought a few C&R rifles (MAS 36 (https://imgur.com/a/65pXPKL), Ljungman, m/41b (https://imgur.com/a/uRnOEnj)) to show off as backups, but they never left the case.

I originally planned to use the stock open sights, but I'm very glad I decided to slap a cheap scope on. A running theme that weekend was wanting to simplify everything that wasn't helping me build NPOA fundamentals, and my slightly astigmatic nearsighted-farsighted combination eyes (elementary school injury) would not have seen the targets nearly as well without magnification. I bought tech sights, but took them off the gun because I couldn't get the aperture to work well with my vision whether or not I used prescription inserts - even my MAS 36 aperture seemed to work better for me.

I decided against drilling form before going so I wouldn't reinforce bad habits, which was a good idea because I did not understand the core NPOA fundamentals prior to attending. The only exceptions were trying a loose (pun intended) approximation of hasty sling when zeroing my optic and practicing cycling the bolt quickly, neither of which ended up helping.

Our class was 6 instructors and 12 students. It seemed like I was one of if not the least experienced shooters other than my dad on Day 1. The rest of the class was all using semi autos (something like 8 10/22s and 3 centerfire AR15s), with all but a couple of people using optics.

Day 1

We started the day with an effective distance target (https://imgur.com/a/CCXiAj7), on which I landed three on the 100yd target despite my optic starting 7MOA below point of impact.

It took some time to get my rifle set up for my long neck/arms. This section was a little bit frustrating, but I'm very grateful to 3Huzzahs for letting me use his stock extender and even letting me take it home until my next event with him. I honestly felt like I could go for an even longer LOP, so I'll keep experimenting. I also used his loaner cheek riser all weekend, which I'm going to try practicing without. I shot a couple stages with the crosshairs barely visible between the rubber nose pad on my eyepro and a big ol' shadow covering the right half of my scope, so it may have contributed to neck discomfort and pushing my eye too far to the side. This was only sometimes an issue, so it might have just been an issue of inconsistent form.

I also ended up moving the scope forward in the rings and will probably do that even more at home. I'm not sure how I would have known enough to check the fit prior to attending, so having instructors with accessories on hand was very important to my enjoyment of the weekend.

While shooting for zero/practice, I improved noticeably with each grouping (https://imgur.com/a/GpCvP3R), which was a great feeling (1 and 2 were pre-zero). I was quite proud of groups 4 and 5 (https://imgur.com/a/lmTdy7n), though unsurprisingly my groups opened back up when we moved to sitting and standing.

I struggled to get comfortable or get my NPOA high enough to hit the target in cross legged. In my hubris I assumed my young fit body would be a natural candidate for the most stable position, but my knees were yelling at me after each firing session. I couldn't relax, so I suspect my NPOA form was suffering.

For standing, I got instructor permission to shoot with my elbow against my ribs and my palm on the long 10 round single stack 457 mag, which I'd found most comfortable in the past. On Day 2 I went back to the standard hasty sling. I'm not sure which I prefer.

The bolt - which I drilled beforehand and could work very quickly - was a whole different beast in a taut sling. I was slow operating it, fumbled an ejection or accidentally cycled an unfired round in the majority of my AQTs, and struggled to keep the rifle in place as I moved my trigger arm. The instructors recommended leaning forward when cycling, which did help with that. However, that was one more complication to distract me from the core fundamentals, and - as was a running theme over the weekend - I constantly forgot to do simple things like that because my brain already had a lot to keep track of.

My biggest regret with the bolt was not getting to experience the rifleman's cadence. Since I didn't manage to get the technique of consistently keeping my NPOA the same between bolt cycles, I didn't get as much in-the-zone repeated shooting practice that I really wanted. I think in the end I would have gotten more from the class with a semi auto, but I wouldn't say I regret my choice.

Later in the afternoon we shot our first AQT, on which I scored 155 (https://imgur.com/a/8BuAmHR) despite only firing 36 rounds. This wouldn't be my first incomplete AQT - I never got off more than 37 rounds (mostly due to stages 2 and 3), and on one AQT I only fired 30.

I ended the day by clearing the shingle as well as the 100yd and (honestly due to luck) the 400yd redcoats (https://imgur.com/a/uo5NKwo), though sloppiness on my part meant I missed one shot each on 200yd and 300yd for the full clear.

Day 2

The day started with another hits count target and another zeroing/practice session. For the life of me, I could not figure out how to adjust my NPOA to get on target. Whenever I would move even slightly, it felt like it would randomize where my crosshairs wound up. I could feel the stock shifting on my shoulder, the rifle sliding on my support hand - things were tangibly just not fitting together. Out of three zeroing/practice line shoots, I managed to fire one round in total before ceasefires were called. Between shoots I talked to various instructors to try to figure out why I wasn't able to move my NPOA predictably and tried not to let myself get too frustrated.

This was the point in the class where I most felt like the group setting was a limitation. I really wished I could teleport to a range to practice form with rifle in hand and put 100 holes in paper. The stopwatch and the feeling that I'm holding up the rest of the class had me wanting to dump my rounds without a care for NPOA, which I gave into intermittently throughout the day.

Around the fourth practice session I realized that my sling was too tight from the previous day's standing shooting, which made the position very awkward. I also asked FixBayonets to check my form, and he pointed out that I was still touching the stock with my trigger finger - which somehow I hadn't registered in over a day of shooting despite repeated explanations of the stages of shooting!

After these adjustments I started getting back into the swing of things, and I got a couple more rounds of prone while the rest of the class was practicing seated. Once they moved on to standing I felt more comfortable prone, so I talked to 3Huzzahs again about how to make seated more comfortable. On Day 1 he had mentioned kneeling as an easier alternative to cross legged while working the bolt, and he suggested I try a kneeling variant where I sat on my trigger foot with my trigger leg perpendicular to the target. Lo and behold, for the first time, I felt like I could relax while seated! (Though I still needed more practice to make up for the reduced stability...)

As lunch approached I was feeling quite a bit better, and before breaking I shot my second AQT for a score of 174 (https://imgur.com/a/TKVHWj5) despite not getting another chance to practice standing.

When we returned we did back to back AQTs, the first couple of which I did disappointingly poor on at 127 (https://imgur.com/a/NrSeJhA) and then 141 (https://imgur.com/a/VhRfuSf), though part of that was due to miscounting shots.

I chalked it up to post-food fatigue, though I did start to notice that my shots were landing low even when my crosshairs didn't move. I tried to pay attention to my breathing (another thing I regularly forgot despite repeated instruction...), but it seemed to happen regardless in a way that it hadn't on Day 1. I suspected the zero on my cheap scope was off after a car ride and not getting to properly check it at the start of the day, but I didn't want to blame my equipment when it seemed likely that it was still user error.

On the bright side, I tried not to rush stage 4 and got a compliment from an instructor for managing to fire my last shot with just a few seconds remaining from the 5 minute allotment.

By the third AQT I was tired and ready to stop shooting, but I'm glad I got one last chance because I scored my highest yet at 178 (https://imgur.com/a/8Po07cr). Not the most impressive score, but I was proud of it - especially since I was running out of time while using a bolt action.

I was feeling the shooting low even more, and I might have already started aiming high to compensate on the smaller targets. If not then, I definitely did on the last hit count target (https://imgur.com/a/kMX7uza). I shot center of 100yds and missed, then aimed high on my next two and landed by the center circle. The pattern continued until I just started by aiming off the target for 400yds.

Afterwards

By the end of Day 2, my body was surprisingly sore. On top of the general soreness from all of the uncomfortable positions, I wound up with three minor burns from my neighbor's 10/22 ejecting brass (two landed in the trigger arm divot in my mat and one landed perfectly on the inside of my support elbow), elbows pressed into the grit from the gravel-floored range, left arm/back of hand rubbed red by the sling, and a couple of mysterious abrasions on my trigger hand. Next time I'm going to at least wear long sleeves.

I came home to a very lovely email from 3Huzzahs. You are truly a credit to this community.

When cleaning my rifle I noticed the scope was rattling, and found that the thumb nuts were so loose that there was basically no pressure against the rail. I can't say for sure if that was the cause of my Day 2 issues - new shooters probably blame their gear more than they ought to - but I can't imagine it helped. Given that an instructor commented on the loose scope rings when giving me more eye relief, I know my idea of "tight" clearly wasn't tight enough. Frustrating if that's why I shot poorly Day 2, but at least I learned the lesson.

Conclusion

Despite wanting more time to practice fundamentals without needing to worry about timers or holding everyone else back, I understand that they don't want people holding guns when not in a firing session and it was fun getting to learn alongside a bunch of cool people. The 2:1 student instructor ratio was important, since it meant I could often get individual help even when most instructors were busy with other things.

I was surprised by how bad I was at basic things like remembering to shoot at the bottom of my breath, lower my trigger finger, lean forward to work the bolt, or put the correct number of holes in each AQT target. I guess the basic shooting steps and NPOA management were already more than my brain could hold at once. If I could go back, I would have focused on doing the methodical firing steps from the start rather than assuming it was simple stuff - simple as it may be, it was not yet habit.

Even though I still don't have NPOA down, I do feel much more equipped to make my solo range trips productive instead of just fun. Fingers crossed they let me shoot kneeling and standing...

The instructors gave a good pitch for KD events, which do sound like something I want to do to really feel like a rifleman rather than a range-only amateur. For the time being, I think I want to get my fundamentals down so I'm not struggling to make NPOA adjustments every other firing session before focusing on time, position changes, and mags - let alone range, drop, and wind. Once I get some time to practice solo I'll sign up for another 25m.

Overall, despite some type 2 fun, my first Appleseed was very worthwhile. I had a great time learning alongside the other students (including a new rifleman), and the instructors (3Huzzahs, FixBayonets, and the others whose forum names are unfortunately unknown to me) all deserve big thanks. Your passion, skill, and patience made the weekend. Much in the spirit of scrappy colonists vs redcoat regulars, you all showed what a group of talented volunteers can do.

I hope I'll see you at my next event!

Ben
Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PM
Quote from: Omnaria on September 17, 2025, 02:47:40 AMRifle
CZ 457 Lux in .22 LR
NcSTAR 3-9x40E
CCI SV

Previous experience
One 3 hour pistol class
20-30 informal range trips, mostly shooting C&R rifles bench rested between 25 and 100 yards

I signed up for the class with my dad, who unfortunately needed to make the trip back on Sunday. We signed up for a class in Piru earlier this year, but that was cancelled last minute due to low attendance.

I heard that making the AQT is a lot easier with a semi auto, but I decided to go with what I had since I didn't really care about ending with a patch, I didn't feel the need for another gun, and I find bolt actions fun to use.

I brought a few C&R rifles (MAS 36 (https://imgur.com/a/65pXPKL), Ljungman, m/41b (https://imgur.com/a/uRnOEnj)) to show off as backups, but they never left the case.

I originally planned to use the stock open sights, but I'm very glad I decided to slap a cheap scope on. A running theme that weekend was wanting to simplify everything that wasn't helping me build NPOA fundamentals, and my slightly astigmatic nearsighted-farsighted combination eyes (elementary school injury) would not have seen the targets nearly as well without magnification. I bought tech sights, but took them off the gun because I couldn't get the aperture to work well with my vision whether or not I used prescription inserts - even my MAS 36 aperture seemed to work better for me.

I decided against drilling form before going so I wouldn't reinforce bad habits, which was a good idea because I did not understand the core NPOA fundamentals prior to attending. The only exceptions were trying a loose (pun intended) approximation of hasty sling when zeroing my optic and practicing cycling the bolt quickly, neither of which ended up helping.

Our class was 6 instructors and 12 students. It seemed like I was one of if not the least experienced shooters other than my dad on Day 1. The rest of the class was all using semi autos (something like 8 10/22s and 3 centerfire AR15s), with all but a couple of people using optics.

Day 1

We started the day with an effective distance target (https://imgur.com/a/CCXiAj7), on which I landed three on the 100yd target despite my optic starting 7MOA below point of impact.

It took some time to get my rifle set up for my long neck/arms. This section was a little bit frustrating, but I'm very grateful to 3Huzzahs for letting me use his stock extender and even letting me take it home until my next event with him. I honestly felt like I could go for an even longer LOP, so I'll keep experimenting. I also used his loaner cheek riser all weekend, which I'm going to try practicing without. I shot a couple stages with the crosshairs barely visible between the rubber nose pad on my eyepro and a big ol' shadow covering the right half of my scope, so it may have contributed to neck discomfort and pushing my eye too far to the side. This was only sometimes an issue, so it might have just been an issue of inconsistent form.

I also ended up moving the scope forward in the rings and will probably do that even more at home. I'm not sure how I would have known enough to check the fit prior to attending, so having instructors with accessories on hand was very important to my enjoyment of the weekend.

While shooting for zero/practice, I improved noticeably with each grouping (https://imgur.com/a/GpCvP3R), which was a great feeling (1 and 2 were pre-zero). I was quite proud of groups 4 and 5 (https://imgur.com/a/lmTdy7n), though unsurprisingly my groups opened back up when we moved to sitting and standing.

I struggled to get comfortable or get my NPOA high enough to hit the target in cross legged. In my hubris I assumed my young fit body would be a natural candidate for the most stable position, but my knees were yelling at me after each firing session. I couldn't relax, so I suspect my NPOA form was suffering.

For standing, I got instructor permission to shoot with my elbow against my ribs and my palm on the long 10 round single stack 457 mag, which I'd found most comfortable in the past. On Day 2 I went back to the standard hasty sling. I'm not sure which I prefer.

The bolt - which I drilled beforehand and could work very quickly - was a whole different beast in a taut sling. I was slow operating it, fumbled an ejection or accidentally cycled an unfired round in the majority of my AQTs, and struggled to keep the rifle in place as I moved my trigger arm. The instructors recommended leaning forward when cycling, which did help with that. However, that was one more complication to distract me from the core fundamentals, and - as was a running theme over the weekend - I constantly forgot to do simple things like that because my brain already had a lot to keep track of.

My biggest regret with the bolt was not getting to experience the rifleman's cadence. Since I didn't manage to get the technique of consistently keeping my NPOA the same between bolt cycles, I didn't get as much in-the-zone repeated shooting practice that I really wanted. I think in the end I would have gotten more from the class with a semi auto, but I wouldn't say I regret my choice.

Later in the afternoon we shot our first AQT, on which I scored 155 (https://imgur.com/a/8BuAmHR) despite only firing 36 rounds. This wouldn't be my first incomplete AQT - I never got off more than 37 rounds (mostly due to stages 2 and 3), and on one AQT I only fired 30.

I ended the day by clearing the shingle as well as the 100yd and (honestly due to luck) the 400yd redcoats (https://imgur.com/a/uo5NKwo), though sloppiness on my part meant I missed one shot each on 200yd and 300yd for the full clear.

Day 2

The day started with another hits count target and another zeroing/practice session. For the life of me, I could not figure out how to adjust my NPOA to get on target. Whenever I would move even slightly, it felt like it would randomize where my crosshairs wound up. I could feel the stock shifting on my shoulder, the rifle sliding on my support hand - things were tangibly just not fitting together. Out of three zeroing/practice line shoots, I managed to fire one round in total before ceasefires were called. Between shoots I talked to various instructors to try to figure out why I wasn't able to move my NPOA predictably and tried not to let myself get too frustrated.

This was the point in the class where I most felt like the group setting was a limitation. I really wished I could teleport to a range to practice form with rifle in hand and put 100 holes in paper. The stopwatch and the feeling that I'm holding up the rest of the class had me wanting to dump my rounds without a care for NPOA, which I gave into intermittently throughout the day.

Around the fourth practice session I realized that my sling was too tight from the previous day's standing shooting, which made the position very awkward. I also asked FixBayonets to check my form, and he pointed out that I was still touching the stock with my trigger finger - which somehow I hadn't registered in over a day of shooting despite repeated explanations of the stages of shooting!

After these adjustments I started getting back into the swing of things, and I got a couple more rounds of prone while the rest of the class was practicing seated. Once they moved on to standing I felt more comfortable prone, so I talked to 3Huzzahs again about how to make seated more comfortable. On Day 1 he had mentioned kneeling as an easier alternative to cross legged while working the bolt, and he suggested I try a kneeling variant where I sat on my trigger foot with my trigger leg perpendicular to the target. Lo and behold, for the first time, I felt like I could relax while seated! (Though I still needed more practice to make up for the reduced stability...)

As lunch approached I was feeling quite a bit better, and before breaking I shot my second AQT for a score of 174 (https://imgur.com/a/TKVHWj5) despite not getting another chance to practice standing.

When we returned we did back to back AQTs, the first couple of which I did disappointingly poor on at 127 (https://imgur.com/a/NrSeJhA) and then 141 (https://imgur.com/a/VhRfuSf), though part of that was due to miscounting shots.

I chalked it up to post-food fatigue, though I did start to notice that my shots were landing low even when my crosshairs didn't move. I tried to pay attention to my breathing (another thing I regularly forgot despite repeated instruction...), but it seemed to happen regardless in a way that it hadn't on Day 1. I suspected the zero on my cheap scope was off after a car ride and not getting to properly check it at the start of the day, but I didn't want to blame my equipment when it seemed likely that it was still user error.

On the bright side, I tried not to rush stage 4 and got a compliment from an instructor for managing to fire my last shot with just a few seconds remaining from the 5 minute allotment.

By the third AQT I was tired and ready to stop shooting, but I'm glad I got one last chance because I scored my highest yet at 178 (https://imgur.com/a/8Po07cr). Not the most impressive score, but I was proud of it - especially since I was running out of time while using a bolt action.

I was feeling the shooting low even more, and I might have already started aiming high to compensate on the smaller targets. If not then, I definitely did on the last hit count target (https://imgur.com/a/kMX7uza). I shot center of 100yds and missed, then aimed high on my next two and landed by the center circle. The pattern continued until I just started by aiming off the target for 400yds.

Afterwards

By the end of Day 2, my body was surprisingly sore. On top of the general soreness from all of the uncomfortable positions, I wound up with three minor burns from my neighbor's 10/22 ejecting brass (two landed in the trigger arm divot in my mat and one landed perfectly on the inside of my support elbow), elbows pressed into the grit from the gravel-floored range, left arm/back of hand rubbed red by the sling, and a couple of mysterious abrasions on my trigger hand. Next time I'm going to at least wear long sleeves.

I came home to a very lovely email from 3Huzzahs. You are truly a credit to this community.

When cleaning my rifle I noticed the scope was rattling, and found that the thumb nuts were so loose that there was basically no pressure against the rail. I can't say for sure if that was the cause of my Day 2 issues - new shooters probably blame their gear more than they ought to - but I can't imagine it helped. Given that an instructor commented on the loose scope rings when giving me more eye relief, I know my idea of "tight" clearly wasn't tight enough. Frustrating if that's why I shot poorly Day 2, but at least I learned the lesson.

Conclusion

Despite wanting more time to practice fundamentals without needing to worry about timers or holding everyone else back, I understand that they don't want people holding guns when not in a firing session and it was fun getting to learn alongside a bunch of cool people. The 2:1 student instructor ratio was important, since it meant I could often get individual help even when most instructors were busy with other things.

I was surprised by how bad I was at basic things like remembering to shoot at the bottom of my breath, lower my trigger finger, lean forward to work the bolt, or put the correct number of holes in each AQT target. I guess the basic shooting steps and NPOA management were already more than my brain could hold at once. If I could go back, I would have focused on doing the methodical firing steps from the start rather than assuming it was simple stuff - simple as it may be, it was not yet habit.

Even though I still don't have NPOA down, I do feel much more equipped to make my solo range trips productive instead of just fun. Fingers crossed they let me shoot kneeling and standing...

The instructors gave a good pitch for KD events, which do sound like something I want to do to really feel like a rifleman rather than a range-only amateur. For the time being, I think I want to get my fundamentals down so I'm not struggling to make NPOA adjustments every other firing session before focusing on time, position changes, and mags - let alone range, drop, and wind. Once I get some time to practice solo I'll sign up for another 25m.

Overall, despite some type 2 fun, my first Appleseed was very worthwhile. I had a great time learning alongside the other students (including a new rifleman), and the instructors (3Huzzahs, FixBayonets, and the others whose forum names are unfortunately unknown to me) all deserve big thanks. Your passion, skill, and patience made the weekend. Much in the spirit of scrappy colonists vs redcoat regulars, you all showed what a group of talented volunteers can do.

I hope I'll see you at my next event!

Ben

It was great meeting you and your dad at the event! We spoke in the parking area after day 1, and I am the guy with the collapsible wagon.

What a great personal After Action Report! You've given it a lot of thought, and that's going to help you going forward. I always like to write up my takeaways for an event, reread them prior to the next one, and work on improving the lowest hanging fruit. I've made slow, incremental progress that way, and I feel like from where you are starting off, and with your awareness of what you need to improve, you are going to make faster progress than I did.

Your first Appleseed is like drinking from a firehouse. There's too much to absorb all at once. I found that when I was mostly focusing on fundamentals, which I think is the most important aspect of the program, I would lose track of other things during stages 2 and 3 — things like remembering the mag change after 2 rounds and keeping track of holes in paper — and I'd end up not finishing the stage or making mistakes that cost points in the AQT. But it's worth remembering that the AQT is basically a kind of game, and the timed aspect and round counts are very much like a game. Those things come with practice, and if your main goal is to learn marksmanship, then those other things are of secondary importance. I think it's more important to learn the positions, steps to making a shot, NPOA, etc. and then work on the skills for the timed stages. If you can clear the redcoat target, that's a good demonstration of marksmanship fundamentals.

Regarding your rifle, I'm always impressed by the students who can do well with a bolt action! That's a whole additional layer of challenge. If you are interested in getting a semi-automatic, I can recommend a 10/22. I like my model with the Magpul Hunter stock (not the MOE) because you can really customize the length of pull with the included inserts, and the cheek height with different Magpul riser kits. That made a big difference for me. And the stock has several options for how to attach the sling. My model also came with an improved trigger that made me a noticeably more accurate shooter.

You mentioned feeling like your stock got slippery. I've added some grip tape to my stock, and it allows me to rest my hand under the stock with a loose, open grip, and my hand does not slide. I used the DIY grip material from Talon Grips. https://talongungrips.com/other-grips/diy-material/diy-5-x-7-material-sheets/

Seated is a tough position. I'm not comfortable in it, and I also struggle with getting enough elevation. I basically cannot make it work well as described in the Appleseed instructions, and I think there are a lot of people who have to find their own personal variation with a few compromises. Here's an article I found interesting and helpful. https://www.everydaymarksman.co/marksmanship/sitting-position-rifle/

If I can think of anything else useful to add, I'll come back and post it!





Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Omnaria on September 19, 2025, 09:15:16 PM
It was great to meet/shoot with you too! That collapsible wagon was a great idea.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMWhat a great personal After Action Report!

Thank you! If nothing else, it was cathartic to write.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMYour first Appleseed is like drinking from a firehouse.

That's a pretty accurate summary of my experience.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMThose things come with practice, and if your main goal is to learn marksmanship, then those other things are of secondary importance. I think it's more important to learn the positions, steps to making a shot, NPOA, etc. and then work on the skills for the timed stages.

I'm glad that approach makes sense.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMIf you are interested in getting a semi-automatic, I can recommend a 10/22. I like my model with the Magpul Hunter stock (not the MOE) because you can really customize the length of pull with the included inserts, and the cheek height with different Magpul riser kits. That made a big difference for me. And the stock has several options for how to attach the sling. My model also came with an improved trigger that made me a noticeably more accurate shooter.

I did consider buying a 10/22, and customizing the LOP and cheek height sound like very attractive features. I'll try out my dad's 10/22 and see how I like the trigger - from what I can tell, my 457 stock trigger is quite nice.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMI've added some grip tape to my stock, and it allows me to rest my hand under the stock with a loose, open grip, and my hand does not slide.

Good to know! I think it was mostly a form issue rather than a friction one, but I might give that a try.

Quote from: Fulcrum on September 19, 2025, 08:11:27 PMSeated is a tough position. I'm not comfortable in it, and I also struggle with getting enough elevation. I basically cannot make it work well as described in the Appleseed instructions, and I think there are a lot of people who have to find their own personal variation with a few compromises. Here's an article I found interesting and helpful. https://www.everydaymarksman.co/marksmanship/sitting-position-rifle/

One of the instructors described a position they saw someone used which sounded like the vintage photo w/ the unertl scope in your link. I only tried a couple of the seated positions, so I'll try to go through them at a range before my next event. Thanks for the link - I'll save that as a reference for when I do.

Thank you for the thoughtful reply! I wouldn't be surprised if I brought some of your gear recommendations to an event in the future.
Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: danfinger on September 24, 2025, 09:54:16 PM
Hi Omnaria~

A bit late to respond but thank you so much for the write up and positive vibes you and your dad brought to the range in Concord. It was great meeting you both.
Can't wait to see you both back on the range!

Best,
Dan
Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Omnaria on September 24, 2025, 10:59:52 PM
Thank you for the good instruction! I hope I'll see you at my next event.
Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Fulcrum on October 27, 2025, 03:22:32 PM
I just watched the Appleseed monthly video about the Palmetto State Armory $1,000 gift card drawing. This drawing was for the month of September, and I watched it because I attended the September event in Concord, and that meant I was in the drawing, and I hoped to see my name drawn. I have some good news and some bad news. Bad news is I didn't win. Good news is that someone at the Concord event did win! Nice! I'll let them post their name if they want. Congratulations, fellow Concord Appleseeder! What are you going to get?
Title: Re: First Timer Personal AAR - 25m Concord CA 13-14 Sep 2025
Post by: Omnaria on October 28, 2025, 01:14:55 AM
Thanks! Was definitely a surprise to get that email.

Not totally sure, but got some feedback and might try to put together a service rifle style AR15 (or something similar) - maybe get whatever else I'd need to go along with a White Oak upper. A shame that proper 5.56 match ammo is even more expensive than the ammo for my surplus guns. Probably smarter to get another 22lr so I have something semi auto to bring to the next event. Decent chance I'll just wind up buying a nice optic as a default option since the only two I own now are an AJACK 4x90 and the cheap airsoft one I used. I'm pretty new to modern rifles, so I'll probably wait for a sale to give myself time to sort everything out (assuming the sale discounts are even real). Happy to take advice if you have any thoughts.